Reed Richards" "don't Make Me Beg."????

[LouFerignoDemon]

This is based on whether you have superpowers or not. Even Jewel, who was retired, was being forced to join in NA.

There is nothing "voluntary" about join or go sit in a cell in the negative zone until you do.

In Marvel, the Government mobilized two mutant task forces to deal with Mutants. Mystique's Freedom Force and Cyclops' X-Factor...one was more benign (X-Factor...although turned out pretty underhanded)...so in fact it's pretty close to exactly the same.

Hell Sentinels are practically an analogue to cape killers...except with a nicer sounding name.

Alright, I'm pretty tired, and it's about six here, so I'll try to be as eloquent as possible, as I'm sure my words will run together some.

Big picture. Not just individual frames of time. You can't just point to d, and not consider the three letters preceeding d, that would make d first, which is really not good in thought. Doesn't make sense, I know, but at this point, it's all I can really think of as an immediate example.

The SHRA started differently. It started as a volunteer situation, even Firestar quit being a hero, and nobody hassled her. Jewel wasn't forced either, she left before the registration came into effect at the request of Luke, who was forced in only because Bendis sucks at writing, and jumped the gun. Though we could go back and say that they knew he was going to do things anyway that he wanted to do, and they preemptively took him, though very illegal as he didn't do anything.

After Cap started making heavier moves, mass arrests began. They stopped asking people to listen and think, and simply began to act, as the other side had as well. This instigated mass conflict, and forced registration.

Once again, Cap's anti-SHRA side kind of forced Tony, with dwindling forces, into a drafting situation. You simply can't fight without forces. It's just impossible, and so he solved it. Don't like it? Tough. Many people don't ever have to make decisions like his, and really don't understand the predicament he was/is in, and it really shows by the things they say.

Is war moral or even ethical? Close to no. Wars aren't won with good thoughts, people aren't protected with intentions. Heros are the proof, they rose to literally fight bad guys. They don't talk bad guys down, so what makes you think that they will go down with words? Heros are the desperation of a population, and so, will very likely be desperate all on their own. A good strategist sees this coming, and prepares for it.

You call it bad only because you lack the experience of his situation.

Put it this way, your dad's about to fall off a building, he's hanging on barely. Now, YOU can't lift him alone, but you are armed with a firearm. You have two options, there is a man fifteen feet away, unwilling to help, but CAN help and save your father, or you can watch your father fall and die.

Do you pull the gun and force the man to help you, betraying your original ideas, or do you watch your father die?

Bad example, true. But it's almost close to the pressure that's placed on Tony. Kind of sort of.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm saying that if the events within each individual war can be as different as night and day such as, say, Vietnam and WW2, then I don't think it's accurate to say that war causes polarization (which would be generalizing) so much as those individual events cause polarization (which would not be generalizing). Those individual events being exactly what you described: fighting friends, alienating spouses, betrayals, tough choices, etc etc. Which can be a result of war, but not always. War is tough and brings about a lot of bad things, but those "bad things" are as varied and myriad as the wars themselves are. So if the original point was that Marvel wanted to show that wars cause polarization, then it's a bit of a skewed point.

More like...catalyzed by the conflict. Those events happen all the time, but if they were done under heavy conditions, such as war events, then you would consider it as the war that changed them, as it was the time period it happened in.

And sometimes, war polarizes. Look at your American war in Iraq. Last time I looked, America is the definition of polarized.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

More like...catalyzed by the conflict. Those events happen all the time, but if they were done under heavy conditions, such as war events, then you would consider it as the war that changed them, as it was the time period it happened in.

And sometimes, war polarizes. Look at your American war in Iraq. Last time I looked, America is the definition of polarized.

It polarizes down pretty predictable lines.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not really. Unless you mean on how people view how precious or expendable life can be. Some people walk out of war, and just have memories, and others carry biases, some carry problems, and others take out careers. It's just...a variable road.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Not really. Unless you mean on how people view how precious or expendable life can be. Some people walk out of war, and just have memories, and others carry biases, some carry problems, and others take out careers. It's just...a variable road.

Yes, really. The Civil War divided along pretty typical lines. As did Iraq. Politically and idealogically it was very easy to find correlations between who supported what side.

Also stop this pretentious posting, you're going off on tangents here which don't relate to the topic at hand, at all.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, I am. If you don't like it, that's really your problem, as I really don't care at the moment, as I usually deal with people who can't utilize several example arguments all day, one might surmise I get tired of it eventually, enhanced by the fact I'm physically and mentally tired, definitely expect me to start pulling out some of my stops.

And you're using two wars, not all wars in general, like I did. If you want to narrow the field, then yes, all wars in current selection caused massive divided lines. But that's getting into narrowed, unbroad visions, which tend to be more useless than helpful. Though looking back, I guess I didn't define it. I figured by how I was jumping around several wars, that you had it figured out. I guess I'll just write more in the future. =/

And if you're going to tell me stop my pretentious posting, I'm going to ask you to stop until you can look past your own points of view, and see others. If you can't do that, then definitely don't expect me to change how I present my arguments.

 

[juggster-rules]

rubber boy sucks no matter how you put it

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I also agree that Reed Richards has been written out of character,but a coment was made in a previous post that only money is what`s important anymore.What i find angry if the fact that people bother to read this garbage,or connect it continuity wise to the classic Mr.Fantastic.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Anyone need anymore proof that Reed Richards is waaaaaaaaaaay out of character in this Civil War????

I just read the new "Frontline" and I was floored! He's totally spineless now!! This guy was the leader of the Fantastic Four!! He let's Hill chop off what's left of his manhood!! He's actually begging her to let him study Baldwin's body a little longer. He even gives in to the inhumane treatment that Hill is prescribing!!! What is going on here????? And just look at his helpless, milksop, body language!!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAgghh!!!!
WHERE IS REED RICHARDS!!??

Anybody remember that guy??????? He was a man's man!! Rugged and smart! He had principles and back bone!!

Yeah...he is acting different in this series.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Agreed.^

An example of people following other people lies in the form of Whirlysplat.

Nah, all I did was comment on how bizarre having a breakdown because of a message board was ,and brinking the moderators here for amusement. You're the one who keeps mentioning me. I'm just a sometime troll, you're a weirdo.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

He's going through a middle-aged crisis.

Heh.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah...he is acting different in this series.

LAWL! ROFL! LMAO! OMG! Celldog you so crazy.

 

[Miss Webb]

He's a manly man who's mannish about men. But only in a man's way. Oozing testosterone out of every pore! Hair grows out his nose and on his back! All this, and a brain, too! Marvel's new knuckledraggers, ya gotta love 'em.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

LAWL! ROFL! LMAO! OMG! Celldog you so crazy.

Whatever happened to Celldog?

 

[Darthphere]

He's Memphis Slim now.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hey, does SuperMarvelMan still come around?

 

[Darthphere]

Hey, does SuperMarvelMan still come around?

Probably.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It's just I haven't seen an unprovoked fight between you and him in a while is all.

 

[Darthphere]

It's just I haven't seen an unprovoked fight between you and him in a while is all.

I was pwning him the other day, and said he was tired of it and wasn't going to post anymore, 10 minutes later he started posting again and said he would post but not be sucked into any more fights.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol I'm serious, I haven't seen anybody falsely accuse you of trolling, so I figured maybe you scared him off or something.