Rise of the Planet of the Apes - Part 2

[Spider-Gnome]

Yeah, Koba looks to be the one starting the whole subjugation thing. Franklin kind of foreshadowed it when he said he's seen the inside of a lot of labs.

Yeah, Koba, is that the one eyed chimp that pushes the helicopter off the bridge? That's who I meant.

For those that just HAVE to tie it into the original movies, consider this timeline....

1.Rise depicts the original events that led to the Apes taking over.

2.Taylor is on a secret NASA mission during those events, but Returns to Earth in the original PotA.

3.This sets off the events that lead to Zira and Cornelius coming back in time in Escape from PotA.

4.Zira and Cornelius give birth to an ape that just so happens to become named Caesar and follows the events of Conquest of PotA.

So no matter what, man is taken over by an ape named Caesar, just in different ways of getting there.

See..Geek logic can make sense of anything.

So, basically what I said before (check my spoiler box). I am going by what was said when we first heard of this movie and they said it was a prequel to the original series. It can still work, but it doesn't jibe with the story Cornelius tells in Escape. I guess it just depends how much the sequel(s) stray from the establish continuity of the original series.

By the way, it wasn't NASA, it was ANSA.

One of his test subjects, a female chimpanzee, goes on a rampage because she believes her baby, to whom she secretly gave birth, is threatened. She is killed after disrupting a board meeting.

Just to add for the benefit of Pac-Master, this chimp was called "Bright Eyes" because of the green specks that appear in the "enlightened" apes eyes. And of course, this name is another tip to the original film.

I'm pretty sure the Lawgiver was a different Ape than Caesar.

You are correct. The name Caesar does not come up in the series until Conquest. He was named Milo by Zira in Escape and he then takes the name Caesar in Conquest.

The Lawgiver is originally seen in statue form in the first two ape films and he is an orangutan.

We actually see the Lawgiver in Battle, the final film. He is played by director John Huston and he bookends the film by telling of the early days of Caesar's rule. Interestingly, at the end of that film, we see a statue of Caesar similar to the Lawgiver statue.

And Aldo is the first ape to say "No" according to Cornelius again, based on BTTF time travel and the original way the apes "Rose."

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm pretty sure the Lawgiver was a different Ape than Caesar.

True but we don't know at this point how the revolt ends. Caesars could eventually realize that what he wants is to co-exists with humans, where as other ape factions will want to reign over us. In that light, Caesar could later be branded a sell-out, and his name and contribution to the 'cause' would be removed from the Apes history books, and another Ape could get all the credit.....

 

[Matt]

I'm pretty sure that these are a new continuity so it may be moot.

I saw it last night. I am completely stunned by how well this turned out. Wonderful movie. Caesar is an amazing technical achievment and an amazing character.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Im really hoping that this turns out to be a trilogy.

 

[Eggyman]

Just watched it. Didn't expect to like it as much as I did, and I didn't expect to be on the chimps' side. Great film. A very nice surprise.

 

[Longshot777]

This is a movie!!!!

Great job!!!!

This killed Transformers 3!!!

This is how you make a film Michael Bay!!!

Character development with no racial GHETTO Robots trying to be funny.


The apes did a better job in fighting the humans than the GIANT Decepticon ROBOTS did

How TF made over a billion...I still don't understand


This movie is smart, directed well, and wonderfully written.


No empty filler scenes that leads to nowhere like John Malcovich sparring with Bumblebee out of the blue just to waste time... WTF was that all about!!!

 

[GunRanger]

Why are you even bringing up Transformers?

Character development with no racial GHETTO Robots trying to be funny.

You'd have to be very naive to not associate the apes in the prison scene with minorities from other films/prisons.

 

[TX85]

Im really hoping that this turns out to be a trilogy.

Indeed!

 

[JP]

I'm pretty sure that these are a new continuity so it may be moot.

I saw it last night. I am completely stunned by how well this turned out. Wonderful movie. Caesar is an amazing technical achievment and an amazing character.

All of this.

What's more is how successful the film is performing at the box office. A sequel is guaranteed.

 

[Drizzle]

I thought this movie looked stupid from the trailers. I was vocal about it even on these boards. When I saw that it was getting stellar reviews, I thought, "How?" After seeing it, I will happily eat my own words. Thiis was a great film. Caesar really worked as a character. You felt sorry for him even though he lead the huge revolt. Serkis unsurprisingly delivered a great performance. The CG looked photorealistic. I really liked the bond between Caesar and Franco's character. I also got a Shawshank vibe in the interactions between Caesar and Maurice the orangutan.

 

[Boom]

Spoiler

The first time Caeser screamed "NO," I about stood up and applauded - without even thinking about it.

I can't remember the last time that happened.

 

[the dmg]

Very impressive.

Can anyone tell me if Kabo was in the original films? Just going by his general demeanour and apparent bloodlust he reminded me of Roth's character in Burton's film.

About Serkis, it is a crying shame that he doesn't get acknowledged for these performances. What's ironic is that the man is actually a fantastic actor portraying "real" characters as well, he was brilliant in Longford.

Re: the humans,

Spoiler

the virus is a very clever little way of explaining how they're wiped out. Caeser will definitely want to do something to help his human friends, which should lead to some good scenes with Kabo. I think it's important that the dialogue among the apes is kept to a minimum though, as it worked very well in this film. I loved Serkis' delivery of "Caeser is home."

Spoiler

Hopefully, the visual of the virus spreading all over the world doesn't fast forward the series and waste the potential of Ceasar trying to coexist with humans while Koba tries to enslave them.

 

[Still Wynning]

Spoiler

The first time Caeser screamed "NO," I about stood up and applauded - without even thinking about it.

I can't remember the last time that happened.

Spoiler

Every so often, there's one those memorable cinematic moments, such Ripley's "Get away from her, you b*tch!" in Aliens and Darth Vader's "I am your father." in The Empire Strikes Back, which makes you go, "Oh *****!!!"

I would rank that scene up there as one of those moments. For me, it was that good.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm pretty sure that these are a new continuity so it may be moot.

Yeah it feels like the movie went all Superman Returns on us by pretty much keeping the first two movies somewhat intact while ignoring the others.

Which is a good thing. While I love that Rise of the Planet of the Apes pays homage to Escape, Conquest, and Battle, it does a much better job in showing how the Apes evolve and dominate the Earth than those films.

I saw it last night. I am completely stunned by how well this turned out. Wonderful movie. Caesar is an amazing technical achievment and an amazing character.

Same here.

 

[Steyin]

I will admit that I was wrong in my early perceived notions of this, it was a damn tight film. Although,

Spoiler

without the virus wiping out/dwindling down humanity angle, the whole story is completely killed. The government would have just nuked Cali the second **** got worse, that is, if the national guard couldn't do anything.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I will admit that I was wrong in my early perceived notions of this, it was a damn tight film. Although,

Spoiler

without the virus wiping out/dwindling down humanity angle, the whole story is completely killed. The government would have just nuked Cali the second **** got worse, that is, if the national guard couldn't do anything.

Spoiler

I think the whole point of introducing the virus is to give humanity another reason why they couldn't beat the apes and making them more desperate to the point where they turn Earth into the wasteland it is in the original movie and devolve further to the point where they are in the original movie.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Spoiler

Every so often, there's one those memorable cinematic moments, such Ripley's "Get away from her, you b*tch!" in Aliens and Darth Vader's "I am your father." in The Empire Strikes Back, which makes you go, "Oh *****!!!"

I would rank that scene up there as one of those moments. For me, it was that good.

For me that moment was the Matrix when Neo discovered his true ability.

Of course the sequels almost destroyed it's meaningfulness.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Spoiler

The first time Caeser screamed "NO," I about stood up and applauded - without even thinking about it.

I can't remember the last time that happened.

[blackout]awesome![/blackout]

 

[jacobed]

I will admit that I was wrong in my early perceived notions of this, it was a damn tight film. Although,

Spoiler

without the virus wiping out/dwindling down humanity angle, the whole story is completely killed. The government would have just nuked Cali the second **** got worse, that is, if the national guard couldn't do anything.

Plus I don't think the apes were trying to take over humanity or anything. They were just trying to escape that horrible enviroment. They could try and take on the humans in a sequel or something but this movie was all about Caesar seeing his own kind needing his help and needing a leader to rise up against their tormentors.

 

[Mike_D202]

Spoiler

I think the virus is a good way to not only wipe out most of the human race, but perhaps the government tries to contain it by nuking a few cities with NY being one of them.

I really wanna see how they make the sequels.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Plus I don't think the apes were trying to take over humanity or anything. They were just trying to escape that horrible enviroment. They could try and take on the humans in a sequel or something but this movie was all about Caesar seeing his own kind needing his help and needing a leader to rise up against their tormentors.

and that's what is so genius about this movie.

The apes revolt is about a very basic freedom not power.

Everyone can relate to it.

 

[Sebastos]

Just have to say that I really enjoyed this movie, went in not knowing what to expect and ended up leaving wanting more. Huge storm hit during the movie so the sound went for 5 minutes, going to see this a second time anyway...Despite that this movie was fantastic in many ways and you're damn right I want a sequel, though I think it's already a given we'll getting one, without a doubt there's trilogy potential here.

9/10

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I thought this movie was great. The trailers gave the impression it was going to be Micheal Bay type summer fluff but most of the movie was character driven with a slow build up. The CGI still looks iffy too me but the stuff around it over-came that.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Yeah it feels like the movie went all Superman Returns on us by pretty much keeping the first two movies somewhat intact while ignoring the others.

Which is a good thing. While I love that Rise of the Planet of the Apes pays homage to Escape, Conquest, and Battle, it does a much better job in showing how the Apes evolve and dominate the Earth than those films.

You have a point. Thing is, if you think time travel in Back to the Future terms and not Lost, when Taylor first arrives on Earth in the future, Zira & Cornelius have not gone back in time yet, and something had to trigger the apes taking over in the first place. Rise could work in this capacity, and the info in the Sacred Scrolls are not accurate as they are ancient interpretations of the apes view of pre-history.

That said, yes this film feels more like a reboot.

And as an old-time fan of the originals, I am very happy to see this acceptance of this film in a big way by a new generation!

 

[The Shape]

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/11/rise-planet-apes-sequel-screenwriters/