Supergirl Should "Miss Martian" appear in Supergirl?

[DoomGuy91]

An earlier episode of supergirl introduced White Martians, and the end of the episode mentioned millions more existed.

The comics (and also Young Justice) had a martian by the name of M'gaan M'orzz who became a hero, starting out pretending to be a green martian.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/M'gann_M'orzz_(New_Earth)

Since the white martians are often evil (especially in Supergirl), that could lead to internal conflicts in their home, which could lead to one taking refuge on earth.

I am curious how she would be presented and the interaction with J'ohn with the differences that the supergirl series has over the comics.

In the comics the White Martians were not responsible for wiping out the Green ones.

Also unlike the comics, aliens in the TV Supergirl universe are not as trusted and less known about by the public, especially the whole Martian Manhunter. So if a M'gaan did exist in that world, it wouldn't make sense for her to adopt the name "Miss Martian" and taking a heroic role in the public eye while being green.

Though if she does appear, there should be a facade of her being another green martian survivor.

 

[metaphysician]

I think it would only make sense to introduce M'Gann after J'onn eventually "goes public" in some form. Otherwise, it would scarcely make sense to pretend to be a Green Martian only to then pretend to be a human.

That said, a lot of this depends on two things:

1. The exact nature of White Martian society. We basically know nothing about it, other than "there's at least one White Martian in existence, who claims there are thousands more."

2. The uncertain and dubious writing quality of the show

 

[Webhead2006]

i wouldnt be against miss martian coming. But i dont think we need to jump right to her right away. Maybe down the road once we know what is going on with the white martians plan and all.

 

[Kelly]

If J'onn comes out as the Martian Manhunter his time at the DEO is done.

BUT, the EPs have stated that Kara will have more "girl" friends in the coming episodes....not sure where they are as of yet...lol

 

[Webhead2006]

Another thought is what if they had the white Martian they caught turn into miss martian.

 

[Kelly]

Doesn't she have an aversion to killing? I don't know much about her, but I thought she was a good guy.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well the bad martian could be mind wiped and given a calmer and nicer attitude.

 

[Kelly]

I know MM can do a mind wipe, but not sure about inserting personalities, and if I'm not mistaken Miss Martian has a pretty interesting back story, I'd rather them go with that...

 

[vantheman77]

Of course as Supergirl may need some female superhero friends like Miss Martian, Starfire, Raven, Wonder Girl, XS, etc.

 

[zenith16]

An earlier episode of supergirl introduced White Martians, and the end of the episode mentioned millions more existed.

The comics (and also Young Justice) had a martian by the name of M'gaan M'orzz who became a hero, starting out pretending to be a green martian.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/M'gann_M'orzz_%28New_Earth%29

Since the white martians are often evil (especially in Supergirl), that could lead to internal conflicts in their home, which could lead to one taking refuge on earth.

I am curious how she would be presented and the interaction with J'ohn with the differences that the supergirl series has over the comics.

In the comics the White Martians were not responsible for wiping out the Green ones.

Also unlike the comics, aliens in the TV Supergirl universe are not as trusted and less known about by the public, especially the whole Martian Manhunter. So if a M'gaan did exist in that world, it wouldn't make sense for her to adopt the name "Miss Martian" and taking a heroic role in the public eye while being green.

Though if she does appear, there should be a facade of her being another green martian survivor.

As I stated in the same episode of the white martian that showed up the thing is the white martian are akin to the Nazi ony they are martian's I did say this though.
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Well I'm not gonna write Jenner off. it was one episode, lets see how he does in next weeks episode. as to this one seeing that the white martians were basically that planet martian version of nazi's and there are millions on the way.

I think that would be good coming for miss martian.

But after they did the death camps thing, oh that will be rough if hank/ J'honn will ever accept her, even if she's against what her people did.

it'll be interesting if they ever explore it. but they (those white martians the ones that attacked his race any way) are nasty. I hope there were versions that weren't for it. the Genocide of J'honn's race.

from: Supergirl Season 1 Episode 11 - "Strange Visitor From Another Planet" MAJOR SPOILERS

 

[zenith16]

If J'onn comes out as the Martian Manhunter his time at the DEO is done.

BUT, the EPs have stated that Kara will have more "girl" friends in the coming episodes....not sure where they are as of yet...lol

Joh'nn doesn't have to come out as man hunter shae same wya kara isn't announce to the public that super girl and kara danvers are one and the same. like in the books joh'nn had a secret identy for a while .

so Joh'nn can still be hank Henshaw . the only way that he should ever out himself is if the real hank is still alive some how and survived and made a come back as the villain to earth.


for the time being he have secret Identity like kara only he's more good good at keeping his secret as him and alex joked about kara not being able to keep one when he revealed him self to her.

I like to see Joh'nn rock the secret Identity thing for a bit like they showed in the animated movie justice league Doom where he was that cop this his arch enemy another martian came and out him in the police bar due to mirrior master find out about batman's secret protocol if any of league member's (including batman himself ) were ether forced do wrong or went evil .

Doesn't she have an aversion to killing? I don't know much about her, but I thought she was a good guy.

she is and doesn't like what her race did to the green one's and I hope there are more of her among the white martians like there are people on earth of the same race that don't like it when some of their race commit genocide of the nother race over race issues. race ism stinks. simple as that.

All these things are simple to show in the show and will make it relatetable and understandable if done right and only if done right.

 

[Kelly]

I'm just going by what Jonn himself said...3x now. If he comes out as an alien, his time at the DEO is over. There is no way that they would allow an alien to head up that agency....and they (Kara, Alex and Hank) know it.

Kara's reasons for keeping her secret identity is very different from Jonn's.

 

[eon001]

YES! I've been thinking about Miss Martian as a cast member for the past few weeks. I'm glad where getting the idea out there.
She was on my list with Power Girl, Wonder girl (or some form of young Amazon). I'd like to see Kara interact with super powered gal pals.

Would also like to see Steel and Superboy at some point too.

 

[zenith16]

I'm just going by what Jonn himself said...3x now. If he comes out as an alien, his time at the DEO is over. There is no way that they would allow an alien to head up that agency....and they (Kara, Alex and Hank) know it.

Ahhh but that's why I said he should keep the secret identity of hank. he can find any corner when he's out in the field with other agents shape shift when there's trouble and he's changes are faster then kara's Changing her clothes and he can change back he just has to duck out of site in an alley as well . or he can smartly maintain his cover as hank (which is the smarter move )and only do this on very rare occasions.

As I said it's secret Identy like his well known cop identity in the books.

Kara's reasons for keeping her secret identity is very different from Jonn's.

joh'nn own was cause he's both in hiding(no other way to live on earth) and it's that he's trying keep a promise he made to both ALex's and kara's dad (foster in kara's case ) I'm aware.

But he has two reasons. Jo'nn's also understanding the humans better via this which is a bonus. kara's is so she can live a mongst normal human's and still understand them as what saw staying among them instead being super girl 24-7 keep her grounded in understanding them(instead of forgetting what she stands for or getting a swelled head in superiority) and showing them there's hope in turn and the should strive to be better people it's not that different from superman.

 

[DoomGuy91]

I wonder how long ago in the supergirl series the genocide of the green martians happened and how martians age compared to humans.

If a Miss Martian was introduced in supergirl, either she very young when the genocide happened, or more likely she is part of a new generation, born on a Mars that has no green martians.

Anyways instead of being the "hippie" white martian in the supergirl continuity, and going against the ways of her race when she was younger. I would prefer if she originally agreed with her race's culture, and bought into the propaganda "justification" of what her ancestors did to the green martians. Her leaving Mars from say a White Martian civil war and other factors, could have her realize the error of holding onto her previous beliefs. Makes better character development that way.

 

[zenith16]

I wonder how long ago in the supergirl series the genocide of the green martians happened and how martians age compared to humans.

If a Miss Martian was introduced in supergirl, either she very young when the genocide happened, or more likely she is part of a new generation, born on a Mars that has no green martians.

Anyways instead of being the "hippie" white martian in the supergirl continuity, and going against the ways of her race when she was younger. I would prefer if she originally agreed with her race's culture, and bought into the "justification" of what her ancestors did to the green martians. Her leaving Mars from say a White Martian civil war and other factors, could have her realize the error of holding onto her previous beliefs. Makes better character development that way.

ok he yelled at kara before they went to save alex saying he was 200013 years old the episode. or was it before he went save the senator and it was alex.

so I can't tell you how recent it was. but he had been earth for awhile. I'm not sure if he said he was on the run from earth hunters (not the white martians but humans ) for 50 years after to that event. But it was some time ago.

 

[zenith16]

and if she agreed with the then Jo'nn''ll never accept her and most people would be ok with it and she'd be villain I don't care for that only cause people like that don't change if that was their view.

it's not about being a hippe I a black male and my family mixed with white. it's about what we as human's relate to and there people in Germany as well as north america that were agains't that in real life this is an allegory thing so the story makesense to none comic readers.

but those white just couldn't speak up loud enough. Cause they violently silenced .

what they should show case is that there are half of the white martian race that didn't support what was done to the green and the white martian's that wanted the genocide were so cruel and brutal that they couldn't have decent in their own race.

So they 'd kill those that opposed the view of genocide to the greens and megann was the survivor of that as child her parents were one those among that white martian race opposed the genocide. but one's for it were greater in number. so her parent's save her. so she's a renegade. so she understand how jo'nn feel's.

or Miss martian in the tv show can be a mixed breed of white and green martian. that would really make the white martians hate her. she represents something they really can't stand.

 

[DoomGuy91]

ok he yelled at kara before they went to save alex saying he was 200013 years old the episode.

My bad, I forgot about that.

 

[DoomGuy91]

what they should show case is that there are half of the white martian race that didn't support what was done to the green

It would be a mistake to make half of their population anti-genocide. One of the big things for Miss Martian in the comics continuity that her personality is unlike what White Martians often have. The viewpoint that it is better to have peace with the green martians and not genocide, should either not exist during that time period, did exist but was small, or was a later development in Miss Martians generation.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Yes

 

[DigificWriter]

If they're going to bring in Miss Martian, it makes more sense to draw ideas from what was done on Young Justice and make her an actual Green Martian and biologically related to Hank/J'onn (being, like him, a survivor of the Green Martian genocide) than it does to give the character any semblance of her comics backstory.

 

[eplo]

If they're going to bring in Miss Martian, it makes more sense to draw ideas from what was done on Young Justice and make her an actual Green Martian and biologically related to Hank/J'onn (being, like him, a survivor of the Green Martian genocide) than it does to give the character any semblance of her comics backstory.

She was a white Martian in young justice just hid it for awhile

 

[zenith16]

It would be a mistake to make half of their population anti-genocide. One of the big things for Miss Martian in the comics continuity that her personality is unlike what White Martians often have. The viewpoint that it is better to have peace with the green martians and not genocide, should either not exist during that time period, did exist but was small, or was a later development in Miss Martians generation.

it won't matter most people that are hell bent on genocide and raceisum will have killed the opposer just as fast . which will make sense be it half or small it'sthe fact that both her and hank will have this in common only she's of the same race only she was born to parent on herside that didn't agree withthe white martain that were sick people of her race. it's no different withthe under ground rail road with north America and what happen with the revolutionary war south here in north america and some of that happened with the holocaust.

it's why I said allegory


not every one was for it in our world with tthose times and there time some people that opposed that managed to help and others that were murdered for it.

the only difference here is that hank is the sole survior and miss martian can be sole survivor for those that opposed such crimes like her family .

She was a white Martian in young justice just hid it for awhile

True dat. they did show this in that animated serise .

 

[DoomGuy91]

not every one was for it in our world with tthose times and there time some people that opposed that managed to help and others that were murdered for it.

I am aware there have been people in a culture that have opposed the culture/society's evil and have been killed or hurt because of it.

There are also plenty of examples in history with the majority (more then a half) not being against certain immoral actions of their society.

The enslavement of the African people by Europeans is just one example. There was a reason why the slave trade went on for a LONG time.

Another example is the Mongol conquerors and them murdering so many in the name of conquest. You sure didn't have half of their population flip out that they were murdering so many to expand their power base.

So if there was no or very little opposition within white martian society to genocide the greens, well that would still be an allegory to how human populations throughout time have sometimes gone along with justifying evil.

 

[zenith16]

I am aware there have been people in a culture that have opposed the culture/society's evil and have been killed or hurt because of it.

There are also plenty of examples in history with the majority (more then a half) not being against certain immoral actions of their society.

The enslavement of the African people by Europeans is just one example. There was a reason why the slave trade went on for a LONG time.

Another example is the Mongol conquerors and them murdering so many in the name of conquest. You sure didn't have half of their population flip out that they were murdering so many to expand their power base.

So if there was no or very little opposition within white martian society to genocide the greens, well that would still be an allegory to how human populations throughout time have sometimes gone along with justifying evil.

well since this was made as an allegory to nazi germeny with the slave camps I was thing for to resemble that since there people back then helping to oppose as much as those who were afraid to stand up against the white martian for the genocide I'm saying it doesn't have to be just one way.
and the whole point of me bring up allegory was so if used right in this showing both sides and something with this side lost compared to ours. where it made a difference in the revolutionary war of north america and in europe during the nazi regime in world war 2, where it was mixed dosages of opposition and those that bowed down out of fear.

it would make more sense that the whites that opposed were just killed off and she is the last of them and their teaching ether passed on from them to her or she was the result of a mixed breed from the whites and greens and so they(her and Jo'nn) have common ground. other wise once j'onn thinks she was for it ,there no point to her being there. cause those people that did that didn't change they are too stuck intheri ways and what ever the audience was supposed to feel with liking her is lost.

if she was ever in the support side that is . she a good guy or girl and is different racist white martains and it'd be cool see there others like that taght her this since the writers took from that time period. And they show the other half that was similar to us from WWII. but the only difference being that the green and the none supporter of Genocide whites were wiped out and there are only these two survivors.


since they used the WWII Nazi slave camp's reference. that's the one people identify with next to the revolutionary war. every thing else prior cause people chose the blind eye path cause those people were always ignorant and worse war hungry.

People of current days with the exception people like the clans (KKK) can't relate and just plane write it off. that's the thing. every thing prior with the slave trade before people started showing opposition is just that if nothing was done against it it's not worth it to people of current day cause back then it was the norm ait's why we still have ignorant racist still trying make a come back which isn't needed.

what happened to the green since they chose WWII is a tragedy and I 'd rather see some sort of sliver of hope with it from what Me'gann was taught and took with her since took world war WWII's events.


every thing else with the exception of the north American Revolutionary/ civil war is hard to relate too.