So every part of the world is going to have its own superheroes? Discuss

[Fantasyartist]

I suppose it's a logical progression. Given the problematic relationship the US is in nowadays, it's highly unlikely that the rest of the"international community" would accept indefinite domination by American based superheroes such as the Avengers, FF, Thunderbolts et al. And besides there are parts of the world where Americans( not just superheroes) are decidedly unwelcome( the Middle East for a start-i can't imagine not just the Thing, Doc Samson, Moon Knight and Songbird being welcomed in Saudi Arabia( hint: they're all of the "Hebraic Persuasion") but Captain America himself(decidedly Goy-ish) to say the least-any more than the Winter Guard would be acceptable in Eastern Europe or the Baltic States- where memories of ruthless Kremlin domination is still vivid. Only thing is, given "globalisation", a hero/heroine might have to check out leads in a case that easily extend overseas. Can the world's superheroes work together when the world's nations have shown that they can't?( actually the world's nations HAVE shown that they can work together- pace the Kyoto Accords and the International Criminal Court- but too much insistence on national sovereignty. The Winter Guard and the Avengers have worked well enough together but what about say, Sabra and the Arabian Knight?)
Anybody care to argue the point?

Terry

 

[deemar325]

I like this question you put forth. I'd say now the American heroes are apart of S.H.I.E.L.D for the most part they'd have to follow international law.

 

[gildea]

actually the world's nations HAVE shown that they can work together- pace the Kyoto Accords and the International Criminal Court- but too much insistence on national sovereignty.

Oddly enough I'd be tempted to site those as examples of the worlds nations being unable to work together.

This is an extremely interesting point you've raised and one that wasn't touched on in civil war (for the most part).

As I see it the problem may stem from the US superheroes actually being employees of the government. Before supers had a large degree of autonomy, independnce from politics ---despite being based largely in the US. Now they are basically an extension of the US military many nations (rightly or wrongly) will probably be less willing to trust them.

However it could also be a positive political force for the US. When the mighty avengers save the planet the US government has a legitimate claim to saying it was their employees that saved the day.

 

[deemar325]

Oddly enough I'd be tempted to site those as examples of the worlds nations being unable to work together.

This is an extremely interesting point you've raised and one that wasn't touched on in civil war (for the most part).

As I see it the problem may stem from the US superheroes actually being employees of the government. Before supers had a large degree of autonomy, independnce from politics ---despite being based largely in the US. Now they are basically an extension of the US military many nations (rightly or wrongly) will probably be less willing to trust them.

However it could also be a positive political force for the US. When the mighty avengers save the planet the US government has a legitimate claim to saying it was their employees that saved the day.

Good point, the US would definately rub it in the faces of the world that "We 'The American Government' save your asses yet again"

 

[Tropico]

Actually....

the Greeks would go: "Yay, for Ares!!"

the Russians would go: "Huzzah, Black Widow!"

both: "Those pipsqueak Americans can't do anything without us!!!"

 

[deemar325]

Sentry, Ms.Marvel and Wondy ain't small fry.

Plus think about it, the freaking Greek God of War! is on the American payroll and before that he was a contruction worker?! A God? Contruction work. Plus of all the places the decides to make a life for himself and his son he chooses American.

 

[the real ninja]

I suppose it's a logical progression. Given the problematic relationship the US is in nowadays, it's highly unlikely that the rest of the"international community" would accept indefinite domination by American based superheroes such as the Avengers, FF, Thunderbolts et al. And besides there are parts of the world where Americans( not just superheroes) are decidedly unwelcome( the Middle East for a start-i can't imagine not just the Thing, Doc Samson, Moon Knight and Songbird being welcomed in Saudi Arabia( hint: they're all of the "Hebraic Persuasion") but Captain America himself(decidedly Goy-ish) to say the least-any more than the Winter Guard would be acceptable in Eastern Europe or the Baltic States- where memories of ruthless Kremlin domination is still vivid. Only thing is, given "globalisation", a hero/heroine might have to check out leads in a case that easily extend overseas. Can the world's superheroes work together when the world's nations have shown that they can't?( actually the world's nations HAVE shown that they can work together- pace the Kyoto Accords and the International Criminal Court- but too much insistence on national sovereignty. The Winter Guard and the Avengers have worked well enough together but what about say, Sabra and the Arabian Knight?)
Anybody care to argue the point?

Terry

I agree with the points you have made as well as the others here .
My idea is that maybe these nations will create their own set of super beings to fight off the american superhero invasion. Or Marvel will bypass this problem by only sending heroes to united nations wich agree on the concept.

Most of all I see a lot of mix match teams that can't get along and new supers showing up every where .

 

[Tropico]

Sentry, Ms.Marvel and Wondy ain't small fry.

Plus think about it, the freaking Greek God of War! is on the American payroll and before that he was a contruction worker?! A God? Contruction work. Plus of all the places the decides to make a life for himself and his son he chooses American.

LOL! Dude, joke! National pride is a world wide thing. If Omega Flight saves the world you can bet that the Americans would be saying the same kind of things.

 

[Duker Jay]

Sabra and the Arabian Knight worked relatively well together in the latest Union Jack mini.

That's about all I have to contribute.

 

[3dman27]

this is an interesting question

 

[Killswitch]

I liked how in the "Senty" trade you got to see European heroes, it seems like a cool idea.

Why does New York get all the action?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Le Peregrine for the win!!

 

[Varient]

I suppose it's a logical progression. Given the problematic relationship the US is in nowadays, it's highly unlikely that the rest of the"international community" would accept indefinite domination by American based superheroes such as the Avengers, FF, Thunderbolts et al. And besides there are parts of the world where Americans( not just superheroes) are decidedly unwelcome( the Middle East for a start-i can't imagine not just the Thing, Doc Samson, Moon Knight and Songbird being welcomed in Saudi Arabia( hint: they're all of the "Hebraic Persuasion") but Captain America himself(decidedly Goy-ish) to say the least-any more than the Winter Guard would be acceptable in Eastern Europe or the Baltic States- where memories of ruthless Kremlin domination is still vivid. Only thing is, given "globalisation", a hero/heroine might have to check out leads in a case that easily extend overseas. Can the world's superheroes work together when the world's nations have shown that they can't?( actually the world's nations HAVE shown that they can work together- pace the Kyoto Accords and the International Criminal Court- but too much insistence on national sovereignty. The Winter Guard and the Avengers have worked well enough together but what about say, Sabra and the Arabian Knight?)
Anybody care to argue the point?

Terry

well,...........
I would hope that the superhero community would still be all about saving lives and less about where they are from.

The Marvel Universe as far as groups seem to defend humanity from both itself and outside threats primary. Civil war is probably the first time that the superheroes have collectivley shut off their brains and fought each other,.. prior to that,... it was the classic misunderstanding brawl ala one on one but never more than two issues with one group against another.

I hope that after the initiative comes into effect that other countries solicite superheroes in the US who's origons are elsewhere to come defend those countries,... Just like I hope the upcoming captain britain bruh ha brings back megan and a lot of the more popular mutants.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Civil war is probably the first time that the superheroes have collectivley shut off their brains and fought each other,.. prior to that,... it was the classic misunderstanding brawl ala one on one but never more than two issues with one group against another.

Contextual. You saw them fighting each other, but we KNEW they were doing more than that.

More so! How come nobody ever recognized we French had to rip off a black superhero to HAVE a superhero?

 

[Varient]

I would have rather had the Marvel heroes pull a JSA on the world.

Everybody put away their toys and either go live elsewhere or stop using their powers w/o exposing their secret id's.

On your last MG,... Really? Who was that group that Grimm was fighting with/alongside?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dude! Losers! Le Peregrine rocks. Sure, he's just a cheap rip off of the Falcon, but still. Losers!

Peregrine Falcons just happen to be my favourite flying animal is all really.

 

[Vanguard07]

They're also capable of the highest speed of any animal on earth (barring humans and their toys)

The problem with the whole idea is a lot of countries simply dont have the resources and manpower in terms of Superhumans that the United states do.

They could attempt to create their own superhero teams and some would do better than others (Winter Guard, Omega Flight etc). A lot of countries would barely be able to scrape together a duo of Supers though. Some likely wouldnt be able to come up with any.

Anybody ever heard of a superhero from New Zealand?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh, we really only SEE Americans and their heros. I mean, look at other foreign heros, they come out of nowhere, and usually don't even have background stories. We don't know for sure how many heros are out there, but apparently enough to put a few teams together from country to country.

 

[Varient]

They're also capable of the highest speed of any animal on earth (barring humans and their toys)

The problem with the whole idea is a lot of countries simply dont have the resources and manpower in terms of Superhumans that the United states do.

They could attempt to create their own superhero teams and some would do better than others (Winter Guard, Omega Flight etc). A lot of countries would barely be able to scrape together a duo of Supers though. Some likely wouldnt be able to come up with any.

Anybody ever heard of a superhero from New Zealand?

Zena?

 

[Vanguard07]

Eh, we really only SEE Americans and their heros. I mean, look at other foreign heros, they come out of nowhere, and usually don't even have background stories. We don't know for sure how many heros are out there, but apparently enough to put a few teams together from country to country.

True. I'm not saying that there are no foreign superheroes but it's been well established that the highest concentration is in The United States.

 

[Dread]

The concept of the U.S. developping an official "super-army" naturally would have an effect internationally, although some would argue other nations started doing that long before CW. Canada used to have Dept. H, and Russia used to pretty much toss as many of their metahumans as they could into Soviet Armed Services, as did China. Even Isreal tended to have that approach, although aside for Sabra you rarely saw any of them. However it would be interesting to view that response; after all, Black Panther tried to form alliances with opposing "nations" like Atlantis and Latvernia. Surely some superheroes would need to do some research on local customs when going abroad, although one could argue "American superheroes" were seen that way by foriegners in other lands even before the government decided to haul them all in by force.

Much as some nations feel that America is hypocritical in that we preach about eliminating intolerances in other land when we still have inequalities here, some nations may criticize the U.S. for having such a messy process, or even the justification of "drafting" anyone with super-powers or a wonky suit.

On the dark side, because many comic writers are Extremist Liberals, there is the fear that 616 Marvel could turn into Ultimates 2, which professes that U.S. drafted and run metahumans would perform evils abroad, and that every bad thing that ever happened in the entire world since Hitler was somehow the fault of America, at least until a Democrat becomes President in which case these stories will vanish, POOF, like they never existed. That hasn't happened yet, but as Marvel's management continues to try to "modernize" and "grittify" their universe, there is that fear of going too far.

Still, so far that hasn't happened. Frontline peeked at that concept when they had the European heroes organize that meeting with Atlantian deligates, and in FF when Thing fled to France and found things more lax there. I could imagine even some U.S. allies being appalled at the CW and how the SHRA went down (like France), but other nations probably thinking, "It is about time", although they might still criticize America, because that's how international politics work.

It is an interesting question. I would imagine, or hope, that part of the federal training for superheroes would be some sort of classes on being aware of the customs of other cultures, some rules of thumb, and tolerance.

 

[deemar325]

LOL! Dude, joke! National pride is a world wide thing. If Omega Flight saves the world you can bet that the Americans would be saying the same kind of things.

I'm a ******.

 

[3dman27]

Zena?

true xena wasFILMED in new zealand but haer adventuers took place in acient greece and later italy depicted as rome

 

[3dman27]

I liked how in the "Senty" trade you got to see European heroes, it seems like a cool idea.

Why does New York get all the action?

when stan lee wanted his heroes to live in a REAL cityrather than i fictional one he chose new york because the original marvel bullpen writers lived in nyc and that was the city they were most familiar with later writers from other cities were allowed to base marvel heroes in thier hometowns I.E. l.a. and seatlle