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    I saw that early this morning during Price Is Right & on Univision. Looked liked pure madness outside.:ninja:
     
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    I'm surprised their aren't more replies. Especially since students and parents are using the race card.
     
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    Students, Officers Injured In Fight At Edison High
    UPDATED: 11:30 pm EST February 29, 2008

    MIAMI -- Classes were canceled for the rest of the day at Miami Edison High School after several students and police officers were injured in a fight on campus.

    The fight broke out before noon on Friday. Police said it was a result of the arrest of student Wadson Sagaille that was made at the school on Thursday.

    "There was an arrest made yesterday, totally unrelated. Apparently the students were not happy about that," said Cmdr. Charles Hurley with the Miami School Board Police Department.

    Students said they protested because Sagaille had been put in a chokehold by the school's assistant principal, Javier Perez. Students said they want Perez fired.

    "My fellow students scheduled a protest that we have rights, too, in school," Sagaille said.

    NBC 6's Gray Hall spoke with a student outside the school who claimed that the assistant principal and a security guard slammed Sagaille to the ground on Thursday. The student said that incident sparked a staged protest on Friday.

    "As far as any protest or demonstration, we were not made aware of any planned demonstration," Hurley said.

    However, students showed NBC 6 fliers that had previously been handed out at the school calling for a "Peaceful Assembly" protest on Friday.

    Parents were being asked to be patient as they pick up their children.

    "We have begun parent reunification," Hurley said. "That's on the east side of the building on the basketball courts. It's going to be a very controlled release process whereby parents can come and pick up their students and get them home."

    School was dismissed an hour early as parents rushed to the campus to see if their child was involved in the brawl.

    Cars sat in gridlock east of Interstate 95 on Northwest 62nd Street on Friday afternoon.

    "I don't know what happened inside, if my son is OK," said parent Adilie Jean.

    Students coming out of the school told NBC 6's Tisha Lewis about what they saw.

    "Somebody in my class passed out," said student Jude Pierre. "Everybody was crying because of what happened. I saw the cops. Most of the time you say cops are not supposed to use violence against kids. All of that was just violence."

    "They grabbed every student and slammed them to the ground," said student Marcus Brown. "Somebody who had it in their cell phone showed us."

    "It's just amazing," said student Marylynn Wilson. "People getting bruised and beaten. They had us in the cafeteria, it was hot."

    School board and Miami police officers were still investigating the cause of the fight.

    "What occurred was this afternoon some of the students became unruly," Hurley said. "There was an arrest made yesterday at the school. The students were evidently upset about the arrest, at which point they began throwing filled milk containers, bottles and other objects at our officers. The officers, of course, called for emergency backup. At that point, several officers from several different responding agencies came to assist. Once we were here, the crowd continued to become unruly. There were several officers that were injured as well as some students. Several students have been placed under arrest."

    It wasn't immediately clear how many students were injured.

    "We don't have any serious injuries," said Ignatius Carroll of Miami Fire Rescue. "There's no stabbing, no shooting. We had a fight between some students and the police department. Several officers received minor injuries. A few students did get a couple of bumps and bruises and they're being attended to by Miami Fire Rescue."

    Officers from the Miami Police Department, Miami-Dade Police Department and Miami School Board Police Department responded to the scene. Hall reported that he counted at least 25 police cruisers outside the school.

    Chopper 6 overhead showed police officers in riot gear. Miami police said the incident looked more serious that it appeared.

    "The city of Miami was the second team of police officers that came on the scene," said Delrish Moss with Miami police. "This wasn't a situation where shots were fired and chaos reigned. It just looks confusing when you're standing on the outside looking in."

    Once the scene cleared, there were two very different stories as to what happened at the high school.

    Some students said that police were hitting them with batons, throwing them to the ground and pushing them against walls. Police said they were the ones who were attacked.

    "The police were trying to contain the students," said injured student Jenson Dolce. "They pushed me into the glass when they were pushing the students back into the cafeteria."

    Videos seen on several students' cell phones showed the chaos in the school as the riot situation went down inside the cafeteria.

    Student Julie David caught the fight on her cell phone.

    "I was scared for my life," she said. "Pregnant girls in there were getting beat in their stomachs."

    According to eyewitnesses, 40 to 50 students took on police and school administrators. Some of the fights spilled out into the streets and were caught on NBC 6 cameras.

    "They hit us," one female student said. "They were bruising us, hitting us like animals."

    But police disagreed, saying they followed procedure.

    "I was there the entire time," said Miami-Dade Schools Police Chief Gerald Darling. "From what I saw, their actions were appropriate."

    Detective Ed Torrens of the Miami-Dade Schools Police Department said 27 students -- both boys and girls -- faced charges such as disorderly conduct, battery on police officers and resisting arrest with violence. All would likely be handled as juvenile cases, he said.

    At least 17 students, all minors, were taken to a juvenile jail. The others were taken to an adult jail and processed there.

    Several were released late Friday night. Those who weren't released will have their first appearances in court on Saturday.

    Broward County schools reported a 25 percent increase in reportable incidents in 2007.

    Parents, as well as the NAACP, said they have some questions about what happened. The school board set up a hotline for concerned parents. The number to call is 305-751-7337.

    http://www.nbc6.net/news/15449352/detail.html?dl=mainclick
     
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    "I was scared for my life," she said. "Pregnant girls in there were getting beat in their stomachs."


    thats just horrible , what a nice group of a'holes
     
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    Seiously, a high school kid being pregnant, to begin with, and on top of that starting fights with police forcing them to take action and puting their unborn children in danger. A..hole kids.
     
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    Learn to take things at face value. I don't buy that, just like I don't buy that both sides weren't acting like *******s. The students were probably talking **** and so were the police, student threw something at an officer who got rough with him, and there you have it....a brawl.

    Unless there is any proof of an officer beating a pregnant girl in their stomach then it sounds like a load of crap. Besides, how many pregnant girls are there at this school, lol.

    Not to mention the reason for the protest was crap and sounded like the students were basically just trying to piss of administrators. Who cares if some kid who allegedly hit an administrator was allegedly slammed on the ground when arrested? Do people think that officers kindly ask people if they would like to be arrested when they show violence?

    And here you'd figure this would happen in LA, not Miami......
     
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    Now thats what i talking about, look how many people there are in the wolrd, and look how many cops there are, if we revolt against them and the curropt government we can have new order.

    did you know police brutality has risen 22% since 5-10 years ago.
     
  9. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    Yes, during riots cops should do this:

    "Excuse me Miss, you're acting violently and need to be restrained, do you happen to be pregnant. I ask in case I need to use a taser or night stick in order to restrain you during your violent actions."

    Seriously, all you have to do is watch the video and watch as these kids resist arrest, this is not a Rodney King situation. And why anyone would be protesting because a kid got arrested for hitting an assistant principal is beyond me.
     
  10. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    OMG for real, you're like my John Connor! Go get your guns and lets attack that police station, I'll be right behind you!
     
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    :whatever:

    Last time I checked, unless you do something wrong in the first place and/or don't cooperate, you have nothing to worry about. I don't blame cops for being *******s or arrogant pricks all the time because you have to have a bit of that element when you work a job where your life could be at risk at any time. Just because there are some that take it too far sometimes doesn't mean you can lump the other 95% of officers with them.

    There is also the fact that in during that last 5-10 years you cited, the government has pretty much trained workers to be suspicious of everyone as being a possible terrorist. One of my friends worked at a wastewater treatment plant, in a small town, and they had to make sure their gates were locked at all times and sort of patrol the grounds at night because they have chemicals that could potentially be deadly.
     
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    Posted on Sat, Mar. 01, 2008
    Police, Miami Edison students dispute cause of melee

    By ERIKA BERAS, DAVID OVALLE AND KATHLEEN McGRORY
    Police officers rushed into the building. Teenagers stood up and shouted, some throwing milk cartons and bottles of water.
    Students, teachers and community members were alarmed by the scene Friday at Miami Edison Senior High School after a peaceful student demonstration rapidly deteriorated into a lunchtime melee, and there were differing accounts of why things escalated.
    ''It was crazy,'' said senior Jimmy Hyppolite, 18. ''Everyone was screaming and running, pushing. There were kids in handcuffs. Some kids were crying.'' The fight involved hundreds of teens and scores of police officers. At one point, no fewer than 60 police cruisers surrounded the school's campus, at 6161 NW Fifth Ct. in Miami.
    At least 24 students were arrested on charges of rioting, disrupting a school function and resisting arrest with violence, police sources said. Ten officers were treated at the scene for minor injuries. At least a half-dozen students were hurt or suffered respiratory problems.
    The brawl, the third outbreak of violence in Miami-Dade schools in three days, underscored Haitian community tensions with police.
    PARENTS PROTEST
    At a rally Friday evening, community members questioned the police response. Dozens of angry students, parents and activists packed the area outside Edison's main entrance. Students who saw the ruckus and activists from the Power U Center for Social Change and the Miami Workers Center shouted out demands of police and school officials.
    ''We want them to drop all charges against students and release all that were arrested,'' senior Chris Ford Green told television crews.
    Superintendent Rudy Crew called the incident ``unfortunate.''
    ''We encourage student expression; however, misconduct by anyone including students and staff will not be tolerated,'' Crew wrote in a statement.
    ``We will . . . meet with members of the Edison community to resolve the issues at hand.''
    The disturbance followed a sit-in demonstration during the school's first lunch period, at about 11:30 a.m., schools spokesman Quintin Taylor said. Students said the sit-in was intended to be peaceful.
    The students were protesting a confrontation Thursday between Assistant Principal Javier Perez and a student who had been arrested at the school. District officials did not name the student, but classmates identified him as senior Wadson Sagaille, 17.
    Miami-Dade Schools Detective Ed Torrens said administrators had told Edison's school resource police officer a walkout was rumored for about 9:15 a.m. Friday. The walkout didn't happen, he said.
    CHAIRS THROWN
    Three or four officers attended lunch to monitor and answer questions about Thursday's arrest, Torrens said. Students began throwing chairs at officers and spitting at them, he said, and some chairs hit other students. ''Then those students wanted to fight back, and it went south fast,'' Torrens said.
    The fights spilled into the courtyard. Officers began radioing for ''315s'' -- code for officers needing assistance.
    Junior Sabrina Francois, 16, said the violence began when police showed up: Police ``hit a pregnant girl with a stick. Even if they were just standing by, they hit so many girls.''
    Senior Jenson Dolce, 18, said students were throwing milk and yogurt at the officers. The police ''pushed me into a fire extinguisher trying to contain the crowd,'' said Dolce, who needed stitches for a cut to the hand.
    Although students alleged Tasers were used, Miami-Dade Schools spokesman John Schuster said schools police don't carry stun guns and Miami-Dade Police Union President John Rivera and Miami Police spokesman Delrish Moss said they did not believe their officers used Tasers.
    EARLIER INCIDENT
    Schools spokesman Taylor gave this account of the incident Thursday that generated Friday's demonstration:
    Assistant principal Perez spotted Sagaille roaming the hallways alone and thought he might be skipping school. ''He fled,'' Taylor said. ``He became defiant.''
    Perez caught up with Sagaille at about 1:30 p.m. inside classroom F211.
    According to a police report, Sagaille saw Miami-Dade Schools Officer Einsley Joseph standing in the doorway, turned back and grabbed the assistant principal ``by his neck and pushed him back off his feet.''
    ''I intervened by restraining [Sagaille], who fled down the hallway,'' Joseph wrote.
    The officer found Sagaille inside classroom G203 and asked the student to go to the assistant principal's office.
    ''I made an attempt at that time to take [Sagaille] into custody due to the fact that the entire classroom had stood up and disrupted neighboring classrooms,'' Joseph wrote.
    Joseph, a Haitian American, said Sagaille damaged computers and kicked a glass fire extinguisher cover while being arrested.
    Students gave a different account. Perez put the student ''in a choke hold,'' said Julian Jean-Simon, a senior. ``The cop tried to stop it.''
    ''The children are livid,'' said an Edison teacher who spoke on the condition of anonymity. ``They felt it wasn't fair or just.''
    Schools spokesman Schuster said Perez has ``extensive experience.''
    ''His colleagues say he's an exemplary educator with an excellent track record,'' Schuster said.
    Sagaille declined several requests to comment Friday. His extended family has been torn apart by gun violence and death, as documented by a Miami Herald report in January. A number of close relatives -- descendants of family patriarch Joe Cooper -- have been wounded or killed in recent years.
    A woman who answered the phone at Principal Jean Teal's office said Teal would not comment.
    In addition to the 12 male and 12 female students arrested, three adult men with no known connection to the school were arrested on trespassing charges.
    TENSE MEETING
    The brawl and arrests shocked Little Haiti. At a tense meeting later Friday at the Jean-Jacques Dessalines center, Edison parents sought a list of those arrested and the condition of any student sent to the hospital.
    Parents and Haitian leaders demanded a full investigation, and school officials promised one.
    Construction worker Edwin Alvarez, whose daughter Jeislee, 18, was arrested, was among a group of angry relatives and classmates gathered outside the Miami-Dade Juvenile Assessment Center, 275 NW Second St., while the students were processed.
    ''She was arrested and treated like a criminal for just being in the area,'' Alvarez said of Jeislee, adding that she is part of a student group that fights violence. ``I have no idea how she's doing.''
    `RESTORATIVE JUSTICE'
    At the Edison rally, demonstrators vented their displeasure with Perez.
    ''We want them to arrest and fire Mr. Perez, and we want restorative justice. Do not retaliate against students who are here,'' Green, the Edison senior, told TV crews.
    It has been a violent week in North Dade schools. On Thursday, a student was shot in the ear while breaking up a fight at Norland High School.
    Wednesday, a 14-year-old female student expelled last year from the private North Dade Academy in Opa-locka attempted and failed to shoot the principal. Miami Herald staff writers Charles Rabin, Trenton Daniel, Laura Morales, Peter Bailey, Matthew I. Pinzur and Tim Chapman contributed to this report.
     
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    Usually cops are nice to kids that actually get in trouble. It's the poser kids who do stupid crap and get yelled at that say cops suck. Whenever I've gotten in trouble cops always tried to help me. I've never been arrested or anything..

    In other words I agree with Victor Creed
     
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    Unfortunately in protest situations, everyone's kind of on edge. When the protest against Iraq happened at the university here years ago, things got out of hand but it wasn't the demonstrators or the polices fault. Everybody was just expecting the other side to do something else, and all it takes is one bad move for everything to go crazy.
     
  15. cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar

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    QTF

    Ihave been stopped by cops for all kinds of young jackassery but have never been charged for anything because I cooperated.
     
  16. Mike_D202 Green Lantern's roommate

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    For those of you who dont know, Ice-Man argued and cursed at a police officer for being pulled over and refused to give him his information. THEN, he refused to get out of his car, so the officer pulled him out and arrested him. He then posted a thread here claiming he was a victim of police brutality.
    :applaud

    This is a prime example of how rumors start. One student says "OMG they have tasers!" Then it escalates to where student were tasered left and right by the end of the day (just as it was stated above somebody said some pregnant girl was hit in the stomach with a baton). Pure B.S.

    BTW when a taser is used, tiny little confetti pieces fly out with the darts and stick around the crime scene with the seriel number on the confetti that match the taser for evidence in court that it was used. Just FYI.
     
  17. terry78 My name is Stefan, sweet thang

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    But it's a much cooler story afterwards to talk about how the cops were a-holes. :o If you get in trouble and the cop is cool to you, you notice people rarely bring it up.
     
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    Heh. A friend of mine and I got pulled over by a cop because they said he didn't signal before a turn (it was basically 1am and they wanted to pull over a couple of younger looking people) and they asked if they could look in the car. I wanted a cigarette so we said no problem and my friend was being talked to by the hard ass cop and I was on the passengers side a few feet away behind the car talking to the guy's partner.

    I was talking to him about WoW and hockey and stuff, so it was pretty funny to say the least. After they were done talking to us, the hard ass guy apologized for sounding like a prick and put it into perspective for me. He said:

    "My job is to make sure I keep the city as safe as I can, but at the end of the day, I have a family that I need to make sure I get home safe to."

    That pretty much sums up how I feel about cops now. Aside from those small few, they are pretty stand up guys and usually just put on an ******* demeanor to have control of a situation. These guys aren't getting killed in shoot-outs or drug busts, but for the most part, during routine traffic stops.
     
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    I love how the newscaster says "There's two sides to every story," yet the students' side gets 2 mins+ of air time, while the school/police get 10 seconds of explanation.

    Gotta love the media, lol.
     
  21. cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar

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    At last the kid didnt go on some rant. He spoke very objectivly
     
  22. Mike_D202 Green Lantern's roommate

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    ^^^ people always keep themselves in check professionally when talking to people who will listen. You'll notice one minute somebody will talk like a thug, then the next minute when they're talking like Harvard grads when they dont wanna seem like the bad guy.
     
  23. cerealkiller182 Must Get Deadpool Avatar

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    Not necessarily
     
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    Translation:

    Darthphere hates black people. :o

    If anyone should know its you, Terry. :o :o

    Exactly. Only people with a decent IQ.
     

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