The Arrow's Tip: Official Thread

[Kebab gud]

ahh damn i cant see them .. ohh well atleast i found part one on youtube

 

[Loki337]

Thank you. I'm going to assume they're releasing them weekly since the 1st one went online on the 22 (I can't remember if it did or if it was just supposed to) and I just went onto CW's site to watch the 2nd one today.

Maybe this is how they're compensating for the episode hiatus, by releasing these online instead?

 

[Serene]

Damn!! What a bummer. t:

I liked Ollie. I was hoping to see him make a guest appearance in the finale.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I liked Ollie. I was hoping to see him make a guest appearance in the finale.

Thanks for speaking up Rene...I was beginning to think that I was the only one looking forward to seeing him again.

I loved having Oliver on the show while it lasted.

 

[triplet]

I liked Ollie. I was hoping to see him make a guest appearance in the finale.

The pilot shouldn't interfere with that, Pilots usually film in March.

He should be able to appear in the Smallville season finale this year.

Thanks for speaking up Rene...I was beginning to think that I was the only one looking forward to seeing him again.



I loved having Oliver on the show while it lasted.

I loved Ollie, and I don't think he took as much away from Clark as some people think. He helped Clark a lot.

I'll miss him, but he probably doesn't need to come back next year anyway... his story arc should be done by the end of the year, right?

 

[Serene]

I loved having Oliver on the show while it lasted.

I did too. I mean, I don't think I have to prove my Clark loyalty to anyone here , but I thought having Ollie on the show enhanced Clark's story in a very positive and entertaining way. Tom and Justin had great chemistry and it gave the show (and Clark) some much needed "boyz only" interaction. And I thought the Ollie/Lois romance was really well done, while it lasted. SV isn't really known for its happy couples.

That said, I do think his arc ran its course, and it was time for him to move on. But I'll be happy to see him make a guest appearance (if he does) in the finale.

 

[AgentPat]

I liked Ollie. I was hoping to see him make a guest appearance in the finale.

Did somebody say that he wouldn't? I thought Gough said he'd be back for that?

I loved having Oliver on the show while it lasted.

Agreed. But like Serene said, I too feel his arc is done. He served his purpose. Time for something new. I'd like to see Clark meet other people.

 

[avidreader]

I liked Ollie. I was hoping to see him make a guest appearance in the finale.

Pat summed up my feelings perfectly here.

LOL! He was cool, but overemphasized (IMHO) both in plot as well as advertising. Got to a point where it seemed like it was Oliver this, and Green Arrow that. Meh. Here's your hat, what's your hurry? LOLOL. Buffy alum James Marsters didn't have anywhere NEAR the kind of push they levied on good ole Mr. Hartley, but Marsters wasn't the star of a G&M failed pilot series either.

He became too much of a focal character rather than an ancillary one.

 

[Whiteflag]

He became too much of a focal character rather than an ancillary one.

Ditto.

 

[04nbod]

Pat summed up my feelings perfectly here.



He became too much of a focal character rather than an ancillary one.

to be honest Clark should have been written better even when ollie was gone. The episodes without ollie in the first half were sub par and since he's gone clark has had nothing to do. Zoners find him, he's too busy being a third wheel in relationships which is depressing. With ollie we were all heading towards justice and he was really showing clark something. Clark seems to have no direction like he did in the zod/brainiac story last year. The kryptonian influence is inportant in this and has been notibly absent as shown by jor-el being in one episode. If clark was going in the right direction ollie's role would not have been a problem. He should have made his presence felt when ollie wasn't there.

 

[avidreader]

to be honest Clark should have been written better even when ollie was gone. The episodes without ollie in the first half were sub par and since he's gone clark has had nothing to do. Zoners find him, he's too busy being a third wheel in relationships which is depressing. With ollie we were all heading towards justice and he was really showing clark something. Clark seems to have no direction like he did in the zod/brainiac story last year. The kryptonian influence is inportant in this and has been notibly absent as shown by jor-el being in one episode. If clark was going in the right direction ollie's role would not have been a problem. He should have made his presence felt when ollie wasn't there.

I dont quite agree with that. Clark was being more of a hero in the episodes where Ollie wasnt present.

Zod
Fallout
Static
Subterranean

There have been 3 episodes since Justice

Labyrinth (insight into Clark's mind)
Trespass (Clark being a hero)
Freak (Clark being very much a hero and using all of his powers)

The relationship stuff has been introduced now in the second half, so we can start to see the fall of Lex Luthor and so we can get Clark and Lana back on friendly terms where they're supposed to be.

I didnt mind Ollie being a new character this season and I didnt mind him being somewhat of a mentor to Clark, and the two characters/actors did have great chemistry. However, I think Ollie was a real jerk to Clark. He pre-judged him without having any facts on exactly what Clark has been doing for the last 5 1/2 years, and as a consequence Ollie's character tried to take over the whole superhero deal.

I'm sorry I have a problem with that on a show that's about Clark Kent.

As far as Jor-el is concerned, well Clark needs to start thinking for himself a bit more, that was the point of getting rid of Jonathan so what's the point of having him running to Jor-el every 5 minutes or every other episode. Clark has made a promise to return to Jor-el to do his training and he will when the time is right.

 

[avidreader]

From SDK:

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Justin will be available to reprise his role as Green Arrow [in the finale]. I believe he has a gig on a CW pilot

 

[triplet]

Oh, that's too bad... I was hoping he would be able to wrap up his arc for good but I hope they don't have to butcher the ep to cut him out.

That would be very bad.

 

[avidreader]

Oh, that's too bad... I was hoping he would be able to wrap up his arc for good but I hope they don't have to butcher the ep to cut him out.

That would be very bad.

I guess Clark will have to be the hero all by himself.

 

[AgentPat]

I guess Clark will have to be the hero all by himself.

Awwwww... now that's just a rotten shame. I'm sooooooooo bummed. Waaaaaaaa!


t:

 

[triplet]

You guys make it seem like Oliver was the worst thing to happen to the show...

I liked him and I'm sorry he might not finish out his part of the arc with his crusade against Lex and his 33.1 program.

Whatever.

 

[Cmill216]

You guys make it seem like Oliver was the worst thing to happen to the show...

I liked him and I'm sorry he might not finish out his part of the arc with his crusade against Lex and his 33.1 program.

Whatever.

Gotta agree with you, trip. I thought he brought something fresh to the show and had a great influence on Clark (or at least showed him the world through a completely different perspective).

Loved Hartley's performance and chemistry with both Tom and Erica. And while he may have taken a bit of the spotlight away from our beloved hero, we've had 5 seasons of Clark and plenty more of him to come here in the future, so having another hero on the show for a short run of episodes wasn't the end of the world for me.

 

[triplet]

Gotta agree with you, trip. I thought he brought something fresh to the show and had a great influence on Clark (or at least showed him the world through a completely different perspective).

Loved Hartley's performance and chemistry with both Tom and Erica. And while he may have taken a bit of the spotlight away from our beloved hero, we've had 5 seasons of Clark and plenty more of him to come here in the future, so having another hero on the show for a short run of episodes wasn't the end of the world for me.

Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one but I'm getting sick of all the negavity.

I get it all the time over on LJ and I'm thinking of defriending a bunch of people because I'm sick of it. And having people feel joy at Justin maybe not coming back to help finish out the 33.1 story arc is about as bad to me as being negative.

I liked Ollie. Hartley had a nice chemistry with Tom. Ollie was good for Clark and I enjoyed watching Hartley do his thing. I just don't see anything wrong with that. Yeah, I hadn't really thought he would be back next season. I thought his story would have run its course by the end of the season, and I had even said so, not that anyone noticed.

And I don't think Justin really hurt Tom's screen time. Maybe the marketing folks emphasized Justin too much, but that isn't anybody's fault at the production offices. That was likely purely a marketing decision.

And Tom woulda had to pare down his parts in some episodes anyway to give him needed breathing space. Tom can't be in every scene in every episode. It's just not possible....

He needs to take it easier some episodes, not only to give him time for his directing stints but also rest up and prepare for the more demanding acting he needs to do in eps like Labyrinth. The man works hard and deserves to be given some time off from time to time.

I can't believe anyone that likes Tom would begrudge him that. I know I don't want him to burn out.

Giving Tom some needed time off is needed occasionally, so having someone as fun to watch as Justin makes the less Clark-centric episodes that happen all the time a little eaiser to take.

If I had the choice between a Green Arrow episode and another nearly pointless dreck ep like Lucy with very little Clark, I'd take another Oliver Queen episode anytme. At least they're so much fun to watch they made me not mind them being so Clark-light...

Maybe I'll leave the building like 'boom did until the hiatus is over, I got better things to do with my time than read all the negativity and schadenfreude around here.

 

[avidreader]

You guys make it seem like Oliver was the worst thing to happen to the show...

I liked him and I'm sorry he might not finish out his part of the arc with his crusade against Lex and his 33.1 program.

Whatever.

Well I think this is the first time that I might have to agree to disagree with you.

I thought he was way overused and in the end didnt really add much to the overall arc, that Clark couldnt have added himself.



And if it was really about giving Tom time off, then I cant understand why it happened in the first half of the season, you would think that giving him time off would have been more appropriate or necessary in the middle of the season.

Maybe I'll leave the building like 'boom did until the hiatus is over, I got better things to do with my time than read all the negativity and schadenfreude around here.

That would be one of the first times that I have spoken in a negative fashion about a character or even the show in general, so I dont understand why you're taking such an offence to my disliking the Green Arrow.

I didnt like him. It seems that I'm in the minority, but I wont make any apology for it.

 

[AgentPat]

You guys make it seem like Oliver was the worst thing to happen to the show...

Hardly. That award goes to Dawn Stiles.

I liked him and I'm sorry he might not finish out his part of the arc with his crusade against Lex and his 33.1 program.

Meh. This is the prevailing attitude the writers instilled, which is what bugs me the most about Oliver. He isn't the first or last hero to combat 33.1. Clark's been there the entire time. If the 33.1 story arc ends this season - which I kind of doubt given how much they could do with the concept - I'd like to see Clark get the glory this time.

DeKnight admitted that part of the difficulty in writing Clark Kent is that he's just so ridiculously powerful. Clark's defenses alone (invulnerability, speed, hearing and x-ray vision) are bad enough. Add the offense of strength and the ability to fry anything to ashes with a glance and you've got one unstoppable mo-fo. And crap... Clark doesn't even FLY yet. Just wait! LOL

Technically, Clark shouldn't have needed help to rescue Bart in Justice, but there wouldn't have been much of a story if the writers couldn't side-line him temporarily with some well-placed Kryptonite. Cliché, but necessary for the plot on one level, demeaning to the show's hero on another.

I'm kind of tired of Clark being side-lined like that, especially for the season finales. The only time it didn't happen for a season finale was in S1's, Tempest. All of the others (Exodus - running away from his problems strung out on RedK; Covenant - getting sucked into the cave wall; Commencement - transported to the arctic as the FOS forms; and Vessel; trapped in the PZ), the writers have surgically removed Clark from the main story. It's frustrating.

For this year's finale, it would be re-heeeely nice to have Clark be the hero again. They could still have a cliffhanger, but make it hang on something hero driven for Clark, and not having Green Arrow there to coddle and browbeat him makes it a little easier.

Sorry if that sounds negative, but I'm one of the biggest cheerleaders for SV here. My enjoyment of SV revolves around Clark and his circle of friends and family. Not sure where the points about Tom needing to have a few light episodes every once in a while come from. Kinda out of left field since it's a show about Clark Kent. Besides, the discussion was in regards to this season's finale, hardly the time for Tom to take a break.

I've agreed with others that Hartley had great chemistry with Welling. I loved Justice to pieces, and totally enjoyed Hydro. For the most part, Green Arrow was an entertaining character and his associated story arc kept the plots fresh this year. But just like other partial seasonal arcs (Adam and the blood platelets; Isobel, Jason and the stones; Brainiac and Zod), it's time to move on.

I only hope the GA/JH fans can understand that POV from one faction of the SV fandom.

 

[Serene]

Hiatuses (Hiatusii?) SUCK.

 

[Brainiac 8]

You guys make it seem like Oliver was the worst thing to happen to the show...

I liked him and I'm sorry he might not finish out his part of the arc with his crusade against Lex and his 33.1 program.

Whatever.

Quoted for mega truth! t:


I am sure we will get some sort of closure to that storyline though, hopefully we won't be left hanging.

Maybe if they can't get Harley back, they can finish the 33.1 story by introducing *coughBatmancough*

<-----Causing trouble

 

[AgentPat]

Hiatuses (Hiatusii?) SUCK.

Well... only when there's an inundation of trolls. I think we've been relatively lucky. At least those who've been discussing the show here are die-hard fans. That said, I doubt I've met even ONE SV fan that I agree with 100%, though I have discovered I have more in common with some vs. others.

Quick, somebody bookmark this thread so when we're accused of displaying a Borg mentality by insipid trolls, we can direct them here for proof of the contrary.





<- SV/CK/TW fan. Aint gonna change in the near future. :heart:

 

[avidreader]

Well... only when there's an inundation of trolls. I think we've been relatively lucky. At least those who've been discussing the show here are die-hard fans. That said, I doubt I've met even ONE SV fan that I agree with 100%, though I have discovered I have more in common with some vs. others.

Quick, somebody bookmark this thread so when we're accused of displaying a Borg mentality by insipid trolls, we can direct them here for proof of the contrary.





<- SV/CK/TW fan. Aint gonna change in the near future. :heart:

Did you bookmark it or will I? Do you want to, 'cause if you dont I will.

t:

 

[AgentPat]

Did you bookmark it or will I? Do you want to, 'cause if you dont I will.

t:

Let's both bookmark it, just in case. One of us could get hit by a bus or something, and then what would we do?

LOL