The Arrow's Tip: Official Thread

[Kaboom]

"Static" was the worst one of a number of episodes where Clark was relegated to the B story.




http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0702/12/smallvillela.htm

AG/MM wanted it. They talked about it to the Network. The CW ultimately refused it but they tried. They admitted that much there.

thats bc dawn ostroff is a genius of monumental proportions

 

[MJZ]

What the heck's a "ship" anyways?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Far be it from me to jump into this frey, but Hulks got a point. One of the reasons I do more lurking then posting now is because of the increased shipper talk that takes place on the boards. It’s been a slow gradual process, but it’s happened, and it’s quite annoying (to me).

Everyone is entitled to talk about what they wish, but I can’t count the number of times now I’ve seen discussion turn to “who should be with Clark in what way”. I’ve skipped through entire pages trying to avoid it.

I realize this is an introduction to the Superman mythos for quite a few, but I do roll my eyes to anyone who suggests that girl X get more screen time with Clark -- or how girl X deserves one last run with Clark.

I really don’t understand the chatter – the best theory I can come up with (and it’s a weak theory at best), is that some of you see yourselves in certain female characters and keep hoping that ‘you’ could get the hero.

What are people hoping? That the girls are the ones who have to realize on their own that they can never be with him? Must they throw themselves on the sword for him so that their not being with Clark means something?
Again, I just don’t get it. But I do know it’s happening with more frequency here.

Well I think you may be on to something there, at least as it applies to Chloe. I mean dont get me wrong, it's great that parts of the audience can identify with all of the characters on the show but the in-fighting and bickering that goes on all over the Net is something I've never seen before, and now it seems like it's even carried over to the male characters. I go to other sites aor DeKnight's blog and I just see post after post about why someone HATES Clark Kent, and 99 times out of 100 it's because of the girl he spent the most time with in the prior episode. WTF? I hate to break it to most of them, but this show is a prequel to a much bigger legend, and there's only one girl he's going to end up with. Everyone knew that going in.
This place always seemed to be immune from a lot of that since it's more of a comics site as opposed to just a Smallville site and the focus was always more on the mythos.

What the heck's a "ship" anyways?

my best guess is it's net speak for "relationship" unless of course there's some secret underground water craft conspiracy that has something to do with Smallville?

 

[AgentPat]

my best guess is it's net speak for "relationship"

That's what I had always assumed. Funny though... the first time I saw it used, it was in reference to.....



....SV




Bah! LOL

 

[AssMan]

Believe it or not AgentPat most shows has the "Ship Fans" even freaking Stargate

 

[Serene]

Far be it from me to jump into this frey, but Hulks got a point. One of the reasons I do more lurking then posting now is because of the increased shipper talk that takes place on the boards. It’s been a slow gradual process, but it’s happened, and it’s quite annoying (to me).

Everyone is entitled to talk about what they wish, but I can’t count the number of times now I’ve seen discussion turn to “who should be with Clark in what way”. I’ve skipped through entire pages trying to avoid it.

I realize this is an introduction to the Superman mythos for quite a few, but I do roll my eyes to anyone who suggests that girl X get more screen time with Clark -- or how girl X deserves one last run with Clark.

I really don’t understand the chatter – the best theory I can come up with (and it’s a weak theory at best), is that some of you see yourselves in certain female characters and keep hoping that ‘you’ could get the hero.

What are people hoping? That the girls are the ones who have to realize on their own that they can never be with him? Must they throw themselves on the sword for him so that their not being with Clark means something?
Again, I just don’t get it. But I do know it’s happening with more frequency here.

Wow. So, the emphasis on shipper comments here has forced you into being a lurker and not a poster? Have you ever been to any actual shipper forums? Trust me, this is nowhere near being one. But I do realize that it's easier to whine from the sidelines as opposed to actually participating in the game.

Enjoying the relationship aspects of this show as much as or even more than the "super" moments does NOT warrant being accused of "Mary Sue-ism" which is essentially what you have implied in your 'weak theory.' A *highly* insulting theory, I might add.

I guess the reason I'm most insulted is the implication that any talk or expression of having a favorite 'ship' somehow invalidates any and all other contributions made to this forum over the past few years and several thousand posts. Oh, but since you've been forced to skip so many pages to avoid the offensive shipper stuff, I suppose any actual valid comments were probably missed too. Unless you just believe that valid discussions of the show aren't possible from people who also dare to enjoy the show on more than one level.

One of the reasons this has always been a favorite SV haunt of mine, aside from my dear friends, is because the arrogant fanboyism that reigns supreme on other comic-centered sites and looks down its nose at SV always seemed less prevalent here. Or at least, easier to avoid.

The idea that the only aspect of the show that is respectable and warrants "serious discussion" is the Superman mythos angle.. or maybe the Lex angle.. or hey, let's throw in the 'how hot Lois is' angle...is selling the show short, IMO.

Funny though, to me, the thing that makes SV the show that it is, with its own mythos is the emphasis on Clark's humanity and his relationships with those he loves. Perhaps you're right and I'm the disillusioned one. I'll be very happy to take my oh-so-offensive shipper comments elsewhere and leave you to dissect the finer points of the Superman mythos in SV.

 

[Tempest19]

He's a man that women want and a man that guys secretly want to be. Think about it.

Secretly? A LOT of us wear super hero and superman shirts- nothing secret about it. Lol.

 

[AgentPat]

Enjoying the relationship aspects of this show... does NOT warrant being accused of "Mary Sue-ism"

The idea that the only aspect of the show that is respectable and warrants "serious discussion" is the Superman mythos angle... is selling the show short

the thing that makes SV... is the emphasis on Clark's humanity and his relationships with those he loves.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I personally loved the Green Arrow and I hope he does return at some point, the Season Finale seems to be a strange episode for but it all depends on the episode itself I suppose.

I thought the Green Arrow really helped Clark in his journey this season, Clark saw a lot of things in Oliver that will ultimately help him. He saw Oliver have a worthwhile relationship with Lois, which will help Clark release that it was not his situation that prevented him having a good relationship with Lana, it was Lana. I don't mean that in a "oh Lana's a *****" way I mean that Lana just couldn't be happy in that kind of situation, like how a man can be a way working in another country for a few months a year, some women wouldn't be able to or wouldn't want to handle it, others can.

He showed him some shades of grey. Clark has been raised by idealistic people in an idealistic town, everything is black and white, good and bad, and if you steal something from someone then it’s wrong, simple as that. Oliver asks, but where did the "victim" get it.

He also showed him Lex. Clark is naive, Superman has always been that way, he trusts people and takes them at their word, sees well where there is none etc. Lex even said this to him last year. Oliver was able to help Clark pull the wool out from over his eyes.

As for the marketing, thing is in Season 6 it is unlikely that someone [or anything significant) will begin to watch the show just for Clark [short of flying and putting the suit], Lex or Lana or any of the characters or storylines. But the Green arrow, in costume might and that’s all the advertising people care about.

 

[AgentPat]

As for the marketing, thing is in Season 6 it is unlikely that someone [or anything significant) will begin to watch the show just for Clark [short of flying and putting the suit], Lex or Lana or any of the characters or storylines. But the Green arrow, in costume might and that’s all the advertising people care about.

Agreed. It's the same philosophy behind stunt casting. If you can get people to tune into the show who might not otherwise, you have the potential to hook them onto the main characters and story so that they watch even *after* the stunt casting or guest character is gone.

 

[Brainiac 8]

*Peeks*

Is it safe to come into this thread again?

 

[avidreader]

Wow. So, the emphasis on shipper comments here has forced you into being a lurker and not a poster? Have you ever been to any actual shipper forums? Trust me, this is nowhere near being one. But I do realize that it's easier to whine from the sidelines as opposed to actually participating in the game.

Enjoying the relationship aspects of this show as much as or even more than the "super" moments does NOT warrant being accused of "Mary Sue-ism" which is essentially what you have implied in your 'weak theory.' A *highly* insulting theory, I might add.

I guess the reason I'm most insulted is the implication that any talk or expression of having a favorite 'ship' somehow invalidates any and all other contributions made to this forum over the past few years and several thousand posts. Oh, but since you've been forced to skip so many pages to avoid the offensive shipper stuff, I suppose any actual valid comments were probably missed too. Unless you just believe that valid discussions of the show aren't possible from people who also dare to enjoy the show on more than one level.

One of the reasons this has always been a favorite SV haunt of mine, aside from my dear friends, is because the arrogant fanboyism that reigns supreme on other comic-centered sites and looks down its nose at SV always seemed less prevalent here. Or at least, easier to avoid.

The idea that the only aspect of the show that is respectable and warrants "serious discussion" is the Superman mythos angle.. or maybe the Lex angle.. or hey, let's throw in the 'how hot Lois is' angle...is selling the show short, IMO.

Funny though, to me, the thing that makes SV the show that it is, with its own mythos is the emphasis on Clark's humanity and his relationships with those he loves. Perhaps you're right and I'm the disillusioned one. I'll be very happy to take my oh-so-offensive shipper comments elsewhere and leave you to dissect the finer points of the Superman mythos in SV.

Great post Rene.

I'm with you. I feel like I'm being told that my comments are boring and not worthy and could I please leave and go somewhere else.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Great post Rene.

I'm with you. I feel like I'm being told that my comments are boring and not worthy and could I please leave and go somewhere else.

No leaving...I would be sad.

That gos for you to Rene...

 

[avidreader]

No leaving...I would be sad.

That gos for you to Rene...

I would be sad too Brainy, I like you guys alot. But in all honesty, I'm fed up with being ridiculed for having an opinion on matters of late.

Its like you cant express the way you feel about something if it doesnt fit in with the general consensus. I have given valid and reasonable explanations for why I didnt like Green Arrow on the show, and instead of being challenged on my thoughts or at least having them discussed, I' being told that I am negative and that I'm living in some delusional world where I think Iam one of the female characters. How insulting and demeaning.

I thought that was what Discussion Boards were all about. For people to express their views and opinions on things, regardless of the topic, and for the discussion to then follow through with all points of views being expressed.

After reading MJD's post, I found myself sitting there nodding my head in agreement with some of the things he was saying, so I'm not so dogmatic that I cant change my opinions or my thought process. And even though I agreed with some of the things he said, I still thought after reading it that Oliver Queen was overused in the first half of the season.

I realise the Hype is primarily a "comic fandom site", but I didnt realise that the people that hung out here were the type of people that wanted to remain isolated in their own little comfort zone to the point that the expressions and opinions of people who dont share their love in comics were considered pathetic, useless or boring.

I like this place because the majority of posters here are Adults, and the young people that we have who mix with us are mature and very articulate and I find their opinions and expressions refreshing and fun. It mixes things up.

However, when you get some of the older posters making jibes about the discussions that you like to have, it really leaves a sour taste in your mouth and makes you feel like you want to move on to another place where perhaps your opinions are appreciated more.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I understand what you're saying, and I agree with ya.

Can't say I haven't thought about leaving the Hype.

But, we should just use the ignore button more.

Because there are people here that I really enjoy talking to.

 

[Zing79]

Wow. So, the emphasis on shipper comments here has forced you into being a lurker and not a poster? Have you ever been to any actual shipper forums? Trust me, this is nowhere near being one. But I do realize that it's easier to whine from the sidelines as opposed to actually participating in the game.

Enjoying the relationship aspects of this show as much as or even more than the "super" moments does NOT warrant being accused of "Mary Sue-ism" which is essentially what you have implied in your 'weak theory.' A *highly* insulting theory, I might add.

I guess the reason I'm most insulted is the implication that any talk or expression of having a favorite 'ship' somehow invalidates any and all other contributions made to this forum over the past few years and several thousand posts. Oh, but since you've been forced to skip so many pages to avoid the offensive shipper stuff, I suppose any actual valid comments were probably missed too. Unless you just believe that valid discussions of the show aren't possible from people who also dare to enjoy the show on more than one level.

One of the reasons this has always been a favorite SV haunt of mine, aside from my dear friends, is because the arrogant fanboyism that reigns supreme on other comic-centered sites and looks down its nose at SV always seemed less prevalent here. Or at least, easier to avoid.

The idea that the only aspect of the show that is respectable and warrants "serious discussion" is the Superman mythos angle.. or maybe the Lex angle.. or hey, let's throw in the 'how hot Lois is' angle...is selling the show short, IMO.

Funny though, to me, the thing that makes SV the show that it is, with its own mythos is the emphasis on Clark's humanity and his relationships with those he loves. Perhaps you're right and I'm the disillusioned one. I'll be very happy to take my oh-so-offensive shipper comments elsewhere and leave you to dissect the finer points of the Superman mythos in SV.

Might I suggest you look up my post history before thinking I'm approaching this as a fan boy.

Do you know how much discussion has taken place here recently, not about relationships as they are now, but as they deserve or should be? There's a league of difference between discussing a CURRENT relationship, in its CURRENT state, and pinning over and over, pages on end, for a relationship to somehow be different.

My problem isn't in the discussion of relationships on this show, it's the bickering over how a relationship should/deserves to be. Discuss away, but don't claw at each others throats because of the way something SHOULD be.

And just to be clear, I wouldn't have a clue as to whether you fall into that category. As soon as a discussion goes to that level I check out, and revisit a thread pages later.

I'm not calling you or anyone else out, because quite frankly I can't remember who in particular is doing it. So may I suggest you ask yourself whether I'm directly coming after you first, THEN feel insulted?

 

[Whiteflag]

Great posts, Avid and Serene! You two and a few more people make visiting these boards worth while, to me! You are articulate, and clever and insightful and fun. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with your posts: I always enjoy reading them. I learn from you because you constantly give proof of your knowledge, wit, humor and intelligence.

For what is worth.

 

[triplet]

That would be one of the first times that I have spoken in a negative fashion about a character or even the show in general, so I dont understand why you're taking such an offence to my disliking the Green Arrow.

I didnt like him. It seems that I'm in the minority, but I wont make any apology for it.

I thought about this and I probably over reacted a bit, and I apologize for that, but I must say the reason I reacted the way I did was because it almost seemed like you were bashing me for my opinion, which I never take lightly...

I'm not sure reading it again that is what you meant to say, but that's how I took it.

In the end, I don't really care if you liked Ollie or not but I strongly disagree that he took anything away from Clark.

*shrug*

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[avidreader]

Great posts, Avid and Serene! You two and a few more people make visiting these boards worth while, to me! You are articulate, and clever and insightful and fun. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with your posts: I always enjoy reading them. I learn from you because you constantly give proof of your knowledge, wit, humor and intelligence.

For what is worth.

Thanks Whiteflag. I enjoy having you around as well, your dedication and love for Tom Welling and Clark Kent is most impressive.

I thought about this and I probably over reacted a bit, and I apologize for that, but I must say the reason I reacted the way I did was because it almost seemed like you were bashing me for my opinion, which I never take lightly...

I'm not sure reading it again that is what you meant to say, but that's how I took it.

In the end, I don't really care if you liked Ollie or not but I strongly disagree that he took anything away from Clark.

*shrug*

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I'm flabbergasted.

Why would you think that I would be bashing you of all people on your opinions. I've never shown you anything but appreciation for what you say. If you were thinking that my little quip about Clark being a hero was a direct jab at your comments on Ollie, then I guess you missed the little winky I had there.

However you're right we should move on and yes we will just have to disagree on this matter, but there aint no harm in that.

*hugs*

 

[Serene]

So may I suggest you ask yourself whether I'm directly coming after you first, THEN feel insulted?

I'm not sure the intent is as important as the result. The patronizing sentence ending with a smiley face only compounds the situation, IMO.

In thinking about this, I'm sorry that you don't like the tone of the posts in here lately. But I'm not sorry enough to actually change the way I post, particularly since you admit to just skipping over much of what I post anyway. So I guess we'll just leave it at that.

Great posts, Avid and Serene! You two and a few more people make visiting these boards worth while, to me! You are articulate, and clever and insightful and fun. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with your posts: I always enjoy reading them. I learn from you because you constantly give proof of your knowledge, wit, humor and intelligence.

You're sweet to say that, Wf. I know we disagree on quite a few SV things - but we always agree on the important one.

However you're right we should move on and yes we will just have to disagree on this matter, but there aint no harm in that.

Well, I've already stated that I'm with trip on this one... I enjoyed Ollie's presence and didn't feel he took away from Clark, but actually enhanced the season's storyline. So we can agree to disagree on that one too.
*hugs*

 

[triplet]

Why would you think that I would be bashing you of all people on your opinions. I've never shown you anything but appreciation for what you say. If you were thinking that my little quip about Clark being a hero was a direct jab at your comments on Ollie, then I guess you missed the little winky I had there.

However you're right we should move on and yes we will just have to disagree on this matter, but there aint no harm in that.

*hugs*

Yeah, I'm sorry...

I know you wouldn't bash me.

*hugs*

 

[Whiteflag]

I fully agree with Avid on the GA matter. I don't care that we are in the minority. *Hugs Avid*

But I respect other opinions.

 

[Cmill216]

I'm sorry but:

Green Arrow > All You Haters

 

[Zing79]

I'm not sure the intent is as important as the result. The patronizing sentence ending with a smiley face only compounds the situation, IMO.

In thinking about this, I'm sorry that you don't like the tone of the posts in here lately. But I'm not sorry enough to actually change the way I post, particularly since you admit to just skipping over much of what I post anyway. So I guess we'll just leave it at that.

Did I mention you by name? Did I quote anything you've said?

You, own your own, decided I was addressing you. You decided on your own that I was attacking you, and felt compelled to directly respond to me as if I'd just insulted you directly. You do realize you're coming after me without a word spoken in your general direction. Heck I've not indirectly addressed you either. My original post on this mattter was as general as humanly possible, so as to NOT insult anyone.

Did you just decide I was going to be the poster child for anyone that had wronged you? Because I can assure you I wasn't one of the people insulting you during whatever opinions you've stated in recent history.

May I suggest you take this aggression out on someone that actually has beef with you? I've had nothing but respect for you since you got here.

 

[avidreader]

Well, I've already stated that I'm with trip on this one... I enjoyed Ollie's presence and didn't feel he took away from Clark, but actually enhanced the season's storyline. So we can agree to disagree on that one too.
*hugs*

Grrrrrr.....

*hugs*

Yeah, I'm sorry...

I know you wouldn't bash me.

*hugs*

Thank you and I'm relieved.

*hugs*

I fully agree with Avid on the GA matter. I don't care that we are in the minority. *Hugs Avid*

But I respect other opinions.

Being part of a minority is good sometimes.

*hugs*

I'm sorry but:

Green Arrow > All You Haters

I wouldnt be so sure on that, it may be that way here, but not everywhere.

*hugs*

Did I mention you by name? Did I quote anything you've said?

Stepping in here and not minding my own business. You didnt quote or say anything directly, but Serene, like I and others, do get involved in lots of shipper talk, so therefore its natural for us to feel like you were pointing the finger at us in your first post. It was merely a process of elimination.

I should send *hugs* to you as well.