The Fermi Paradox

Read some science fiction books on that idea, but not sure if there are any scientific theories about it.

Sure are. If mysterious Dark Energy somehow weakens or the course of cosmological evolution, gravity will collapse all matter back into a singularity until a new Big Bang happens again.
 
It's been shown on the Science Channel a few times. That is considered a legitimate theory even if some scientists reject it. Theoretically according to them, we could be one of a multitude of universes that have existed and will exist in the future once ours resets or implodes or does whatever you think happens when everything comes to an end.
 
Sure are. If mysterious Dark Energy somehow weakens or the course of cosmological evolution, gravity will collapse all matter back into a singularity until a new Big Bang happens again.

It's been shown on the Science Channel a few times. That is considered a legitimate theory even if some scientists reject it. Theoretically according to them, we could be one of a multitude of universes that have existed and will exist in the future once ours resets or implodes or does whatever you think happens when everything comes to an end.

It sounds reasonable to me.
 
It's been shown on the Science Channel a few times. That is considered a legitimate theory even if some scientists reject it. Theoretically according to them, we could be one of a multitude of universes that have existed and will exist in the future once ours resets or implodes or does whatever you think happens when everything comes to an end.

A number of decades ago, the “oscillating Universe” was a more viable model. To wit: The Big Bang is followed by cosmic expansion. But eventually, gravity slows and stops this, and a period of contraction occurs - leading to a Big Crunch. And the Big Crunch, in turn, spawns a new Big Bang. Ad infinitum.

However, an “inventory” of the Universe seemed to indicate that there wasn’t enough mass/gravity to produce a contraction phase. Indeed, measurements have shown that the current expansion isn’t even slowing down - it’s mysteriously speeding up (cosmological inflation). So an eternal Bang/Crunch cycle isn’t as popular as it once was. But there are various other models for a “multiverse.” :cwink:
 
Yeah, point out the correct facts why don't you? :oldrazz:
 
Thank you for putting me in my place.

Well, come on. That first sentence, I can roll with. The second, regarding a super powerful race of beings who could literally ruin the universe? No, not even close. Whose theorizing that? Where's the research? What's the evidence? It sounds like a "theory" put forward by someone who thinks putting a rock on your forehead can cure cancer.
 
Can we actually confirm that we are the only universe? I.e. we can't exactly see billions of lightyears away, so is it possible that universes, like galaxies float around in something even bigger?
 
Can we actually confirm that we are the only universe? I.e. we can't exactly see billions of lightyears away, so is it possible that universes, like galaxies float around in something even bigger?

I don't think that's how it works. I perpetually can't keep this straight in my head, but our universe does have bounds, they're just four dimensional. We can't see outside of it. We can use the Earth as a three dimensional analogue. If you travel in a straight line long enough on the Earth, you end up right back where you started. Same deal in the universe, only in four dimensional terms. We could be part of a huge membrane of multiple universes, but it's not something we can discover optically.

Someone correct me if I've got this wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the bizarre gist of it.
 
On a related note, I'm a believer in the many-worlds interpretation i.e. a multiverse, parallel universe, "alternate realities," etc. I find the concept so awesome.
 
One of the US government's scientific investigators into UFO's actually started to entertain that idea. I.e. that some UFO's might be extra-dimensional, rather than extraterrestrial.

Probably in part what inspired Spielberg and Lucas in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (they were very familiar with his work).
 
On a related note, I'm a believer in the many-worlds interpretation i.e. a multiverse, parallel universe, "alternate realities," etc. I find the concept so awesome.

Until you realize that means in some worlds you're a murderer. In others the most famous drag queen ever. :oldrazz:
 
Can we borrow money from our alternate universe famous drag queen selves?
 
If only!

Me and a co-worker made a game of telling stories about each other's multi-verse counterparts. I can't really post many here. lol
 
I do find it kind of silly that we entertain the idea of us having alternate selves, but the idea of aliens existing is considered a stretch.

There could be an alien civilization on a planet orbiting Tau Ceti and we wouldn't know it. Unless they used radio's in the last century, they could be listening to... Nickleback and Nelly right now (Tau Ceti is 12 lightyears away, if anyone is wondering why I named those two).
 
I would like nothing more than to have sex with an alternate universe version of myself. Male, Female, I don't care. :o
 
I do find it kind of silly that we entertain the idea of us having alternate selves, but the idea of aliens existing is considered a stretch.

There could be an alien civilization on a planet orbiting Tau Ceti and we wouldn't know it. Unless they used radio's in the last century.

That's true. Honestly, the majority of human beings aside from astrophysicists or aerospace engineers can't even begin to fathom just how big our solar system is, let alone the galaxy. This universe is just too big for extraterrestrial life (in even the most basic definition) to not exist.

A parallel universe is ridiculous to believe in over that.
 
I would like nothing more than to have sex with an alternate universe version of myself. Male, Female, I don't care. :o

So is that considered incest or *********ion?

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Anyone heard of "abolitionism"? Not related to slavery. The abolitionism here refers to a branch of transhumanism that seeks to abolish all suffering in sentient life.

I'd like to bring the idea that maybe some alien civilizations mastered their own biology to an extent they could program their brains to experience a constant loop of hedonistic fulfillment. They would need a constant power source for their bodies and the machinery hooked into them, but that's plausible if they're already advanced enough to achieve ultimate, constant euphoria. Why even jack yourself into a hyper-realistic simulation by that time? The aliens could experience everything they need without artificial images or sounds. It's all about bodily sensations and emotions anyway.

The sole reason we do anything in life is for pleasure. You might say "procreation" is the fundamental drive, but pleasure is the motivator.
 
The reason people desire things is life is basically for the emotions and stimuli. Your central nervous system takes details from the environment to manufacture what you'll feel. You're feeling an approximation. From household comforts to technology for efficiency... whether it's a pillow under your head or a spacecraft taking you to your favorite planet... your brain could theoretically manufacture all that.

One solution to the paradox is there are aliens who are "brains in jars". They're beyond any desire to colonize, because that would be a step down from what they achieved: mastering neurology, biology, recyclable energy in a may-as-well-be-considered permanent location.

Main problem where we're concerned: near impossible to prove this. And minus a dyson sphere, who knows what energy source they'd be using? And who knows if their biology would be close enough to ours to assist in creating this paradise state for ourselves? They'd probably have security measures in store for trespassers.

It's a more optimistic view than, say, all advanced civilizations destroying themselves. Interesting food for thought, though, when contemplating where we'll go next as a species. Where should we invest the most resources?

If aliens are out there, I think it was a technological singularity that either saved or doomed them. It's that binary, unfortunately. Right now, in my opinion, we should devote our time and resources to making sure that when technology does inevitably and consummately dominate us, it will favor us. Make sure the AI abolishes our suffering but preserves are lives so that we continue experiencing pleasure for millennia to come.
 
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Hmmmm...I have a book somewhere that I bought at the local library ages ago talking with legitimate scientists like Stephen Hawking about the possibility of utilizing wormholes as a means of space travel, basically creating shortcuts that fold the distance between point A and Point B to shorten how far you would have to travel. I'm sure it's possible Extra Terrestrial creatures have figured this out if Terran scientists can. I also tend to think all the hospitable worlds out there in the universe might harbor various stages of societal development from highly sophisticated to primitive. I guess the paranormal explanation for why average people have not encountered aliens has something to do with the government and trying to suppress this knowledge for various reasons both Earthly and Extra Terrestrial. But I mostly think that we haven't had fully disclosed contact because humanity as a whole is not ready for such an interaction. We're much too aggressive a species for peaceful relations with other alien races.
 

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