The Necronomicon

[Weadazoid]

Since Hellboy seems to take so much from the ocult, why not step into some of the stroyline ideas of the Necronomicon, and surounding tales told by H.P.Lovecraft. That Giant squid thing one of the "elder gods' as it were reminded me alot of Cithulu, but in reality Cithulu would mkae that squidy lunch and move on to stompin down the city.



I loved the nazi ocult stuff in the beginning very true to his origins it also remindied me of Inidana Jones. Perhaps they could again give us a flashback in time and tell the little known story of the Mad Arab Abdul Alhazard, in a very real way he could make a perfect Viallian for the great red deamonic ape.

 

[monkeygust]

Maybe for the third film.

 

[Weadazoid]

Was it ever brought up in terms of the comic? I was more of a Sin City guy then a Hell Boy guy, but I love H.P. Lovecraft, and pretty much all bizzaro stories he and Aliester Crowley (sp?) came up with.

 

[Max Shrek]

Well, Hellboy is very influenced by Lovecraft, but it has its own seperate mythos that pays homage to them (the Ogdru Jahad are HUGE homages to Cthluhu and the other Great Old Ones but they aren't exactly the same beings).

 

[Weadazoid]

How bout the Mad Arab Abdulh Alhazzard as Hel Boys enemy, unleashed from some sandy tomb in the sahara?

 

[Max Shrek]

But the mythologies don't match up. HB is inspired by Lovecraft, yes, but the circumstances surrounding him and them make it almost impossible to link the two together.

 

[monkeygust]

Hellboy is its own mythology, but there's no mistaking the influence.
Particularly, as pointed out, in the visuals. The Sadu Hem, Ogdru Jahad, Frog men, etc.

 

[Magmo]

Maybe Hellboy could cleave Cthulhu's skull with a big ship

 

[Leto Atrides]

I think that while it is similar, they are trying to keep the mythos separate so they don't have to worry about Lovecraft continuity.

At the beginning of the movie, when the text about the "ancient gods of chaos", etc. etc., from the journals of someone or other, etc. etc.; they say in the commentary that they wanted somethng that sounded Lovecraftian, but that they purposely didn't want to use the Necronomicon.

 

[GuesssWho]

How bout the Mad Arab Abdulh Alhazzard as Hel Boys enemy, unleashed from some sandy tomb in the sahara?

*sigh* His name is spelled Abdul Alhazred, and he wasn't evil. Just crazy.
And anyway, he's not the type to become, say, a mummy-for one thing, he (like most of the writers of Lovecraft's 'dark books') was killed mysteriously, so that he couldn't make himself into an undead. Hmm . . . was he the one who was killed from inside a locked and windowless room, or the one who was torn apart by invisible demons in a crowded marketplace? I can't remember.

 

[GuesssWho]

I think that while it is similar, they are trying to keep the mythos separate so they don't have to worry about Lovecraft continuity.

At the beginning of the movie, when the text about the "ancient gods of chaos", etc. etc., from the journals of someone or other, etc. etc.; they say in the commentary that they wanted somethng that sounded Lovecraftian, but that they purposely didn't want to use the Necronomicon.

So they used Der Vermis Mysteriis, instead. Great.

 

[Leto Atrides]

So they used Der Vermis Mysteriis, instead. Great.

They used Des Vermis Mysteriis in the movie, while in the Cthulu mythos it's De Vermiis Mysteriis. While we're making corrections in a thread that's been dead for a year.

But yeah, using the Necronomicon would immediately connect it to the Mythos. A more obscure book, invented by a different author (Bloch) that he used in non-Mythos stories won't. Yes, I know Lovecraft used it. However, Bloch also used it all the time for everything, so that takes away its exclusivity IMO.

Plus, a big part of not using the Necronomicon wasn't just that, the Necronomicon has become really cliche now (thank you Evil Dead).

 

[GuesssWho]

Yeah, Evil Dead was stupid.
And yes, I know I'm pedantic. So what?

 

[Leto Atrides]

Yeah, Evil Dead was stupid.
And yes, I know I'm pedantic. So what?

It's not so much that you were being pedantic, it's just you were correcting people's spelling in a thread that was last posted in more than a year ago.

 

[GuesssWho]

So? They should've closed it, then.