The Oppressive Growing Police State

[MessiahDecoy123]

If our nation truly wants to teach the children, have entire classes dedicated to the charters of freedom and critical thinking K through 12.

The children will educate and empower themselves for the rest of their lives in ways that truly matter.

But the government and big business would never co-sign on such a noble experiment. Again they want working ants, not thinking ants.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Must read.

Especially the ex-NSA worker, Thomas Drake, interview.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...snowden-which-side-are-you-on.html#entry-more

 

[Victarion]

If our nation truly wants to teach the children, have entire classes dedicated to the charters of freedom and critical thinking K through 12.

The children will educate and empower themselves for the rest of their lives in ways that truly matter.

But the government and big business would never co-sign on such a noble experiment. Again they want working ants, not thinking ants.

No smoke without fire, though. Amid the selfcentered reasons for shooting down your idea, I'm sure there's valid concerns about the risks associated with the program.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No smoke without fire, though. Amid the selfcentered reasons for shooting down your idea, I'm sure there's valid concerns about the risks associated with the program.

What risks would that be?

Honest question.

 

[warhorse78]

Way to leave out the rest of my quote...

I think the rest of my quote pretty much tells you how I feel about it. I don't trust government... I work in a government job that shows me each and every day that they have absolutely no clue what the hell they are doing. : )

Like most management, huh? I do like my job, but the company could be so much better if it weren't run by morons who think they know what they are doing.

 

[NHawk19]

I'm not sure how many of you have seen this but thought I'd pass it along.

As the public are growing more informed it seems like the police are growing frustrated. In fairness the person in the video went into the situation knowing full well how they would answer the questions. However he did no know how the police would respond. The most disturbing part of this is the potential that the police knowingly generated a false positive in the K9.

http://www.infowars.com/cop-enraged-as-citizen-attempts-to-defy-independence-day-dui-checkpoint/

My question is what should the outcome be for those that were caught on tape? And should other places do this on their own so that it can be assured that police are properly administering DUI check points?

I believe in the actions of police and support their mission. Just starting to wonder if they are taking on to much of a "military" attitude towards the public.

 

[OstrichsRevenge]

You obviously don't follow politics do you. This happens already, once a person hits the campaigns trail, every dirty little secret about them is out there, the higher the climb the more is revealed. Politicians are already being intimdated by corporations and lobbiests, just look at the background checks for guns vote 90% of the public agreed with it, yet it was voted down. Why? The NRA, they probably threatened every republican for voted in favor of it that their funded would go poof if they didn't vote it down.

Personally, this doesn't really worry me, it's a non-issue, it's been happening since 9/11 and probably before. Besides people share too much on social media as it is. If you're on Twitter and use it often, you shouldn't complain because you're already oversharing you life with everyone, one of your followers may be the personal NSA agent assigned to you. However, in reality, let me know how much your life has changed since 9/11 freedom wise. For me, there's been no change, outside of the ridiculousness of airport security. The Men in Black aren't coming for Joe Public. However, if they do happen upon Joe Pedophile or Joe Terrorist or Johnny I'm gonna shoot up my school, then it's worth it.

Really? Is it? Do people really need to give up their personal liberty in favor of "security"? Hitler used that idea as well and then would take people from their homes in the middle of the night and they would never be heard from again. This kind of thinking breeds distrust and intolerance. Here in Canada, our police foiled two terrorist plots (in Toronto and Vancouver) without spying on its citizens. Other countries are able to do this as well. There is a very fine line between national security and police state. After the Boston bombings, when the city was shut down and searches were conducted, people's rights were violated. There are videos online of men with guns yelling at people inside their homes and forcing them out AT GUNPOINT with their hands held above their head. Talk about unnecessary intimidation.

 

[Ant-manic]

How ya all like being spied on by drones? Feel safe? Or feel controlled?

hasn't changed my day one bit. i'm significantly more troubled by the rising gas prices than cameras.

 

[Ant-manic]

The greatest threat to civilization is a police state.

What good is literacy when literature can be banned?

What good is writing and speaking skill if it's tightly constricted?

What good is the ability to interpret information if the government decides what information we have access to?

What good is the ability to reason and know the constitution when the government can take away due process when it suits them?

Then there's issues of faith, art, and privacy that can be stripped not to mention torture and other human rights violations.

I agree the problem is much bigger than ”a few” abusive cops. A police state is bigger than Rodney King, it's an entire society unable to truly see, hear, speak, think, breath or grow.

Teachers and police are both abundant in a police state but the goal is quite different than a free society. If you want to teach children anything teach them what that difference is and what side to always be on.

The side of civil liberties and human rights over everything else.

Without civil liberties the three ”R's” are rendered useless.

same world that it was in the 80s. used to be whitewashed history books. i don't think racial profiling had a proper name just yet. neighbors were nosier. your oppressive police state is a myth.

 

[SentinelMind]

Cop shoots dog in front of handcuffed owner after owner instructs dog to back away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

 

[SentinelMind]

NYPD practice spreading harmless gas into subway station

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...n-Study-Equipment-Installation-214692501.html

 

[Hotwire]

NYPD practice spreading harmless gas into subway station

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...n-Study-Equipment-Installation-214692501.html

This seems like some valuable information that unfortunately, there's really no other way to collect.

Cop shoots dog in front of handcuffed owner after owner instructs dog to back away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

This has it's own thread.

 

[Schlosser85]

Cop shoots dog in front of handcuffed owner after owner instructs dog to back away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDBZr4ie2AE

Did you actually watch the video where the dog lunged at him, or did that not fit your agenda in posting it?

 

[SentinelMind]

I put the link there to let viewer make only conclusion...they can see officer walking towards dog (which will obviously provoke a dog) and shoot him..back up and shoot dog again.

 

[Hotwire]

I put the link there to let viewer make only conclusion...they can see officer walking towards dog (which will obviously provoke a dog) and shoot him..back up and shoot dog again.

Since there's already a thread for this, I'll just link you to the post I made there.

As I'm watching the video, I can't really hear what the dog's owner is saying but, it seems the people who shot the video could. From what they're saying, it seems that the dog owner was doing what he could to antagonize the cops. They came over, in my opinion, to restrain him while they could finish what they were doing. Obviously, the guy was at least smart enough to put the dog in the car but, once the dog gets out, the cops are in a bit of a no win situation. At about 3:10, the dog comes over barking at the officers and one of them drops something. At 3:20 the officer reaches for the dropped item and the dog jumps at him. Now, sure, you can say that the dog wasn't a threat but, the officer can't afford to make that assumption. Reason being, if he's wrong, he or the other officers are getting hurt. Once the dog mad that lunge, the cop made a split second decision. I don't like that the dog got shot but, I can't completely throw the cop under the bus for it. If anything, the dog's owner should have simply left the cops alone and let them do their job instead of antagonizing them.

That's my opinion.

 

[CGHulk]

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[Hobgoblin]

Police Tracking License Plates
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/17/us/aclu-license-plates-readers/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[Kelly]

Police Tracking License Plates
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/17/us/aclu-license-plates-readers/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Meh, your license plate is in the public realm.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Meh, your license plate is in the public realm.

I just dont like that this info is being given to private companies. I never agreed to that.

"Private companies are also using license plate readers and sharing the information they collect with police with little or no oversight or privacy protections. A lack of regulation means that policies governing how long our location data is kept vary widely," the ACLU said.

 

[Kelly]

I just dont like that this info is being given to private companies. I never agreed to that.

Oh, I agree with you, I don't like it either....but it is in the public realm as of right now.

The ACLU wants them to purge the system of all license plate pics, etc that have not been linked to any crime. We'll have to wait and see how that goes.




And actually you don't have to agree to that, having a license plate is the law, it isn't a privilege that you sign up for....

 

[Hobgoblin]

Oh, I agree with you, I don't like it either....but it is in the public realm as of right now.

The ACLU wants them to purge the system of all license plate pics, etc that have not been linked to any crime. We'll have to wait and see how that goes.




And actually you don't have to agree to that, having a license plate is the law, it isn't a privilege that you sign up for....

Yeah but it is the secrecy that bothers me. A license plate is in the public realm but I dont like that they didnt bother to at least tell us about it first.

 

[SentinelMind]

Auburn police officer whisteblower is fired for revealing department ticket quota

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/07/24/how-quotas-pervert-police-priorities-fir

This should be obvious to most people..police shouldn't be a revenue generating resource for the state.

 

[Destructus86]

I really like seeing all these whistleblowers coming out to expose the corrupt institutions we depend on as a people.

 

[Marvolo]

I had a teacher who worked with the police department on various projects and jobs who swore up and down that police departments didn't have quotas and that anyone who thought so was being ridiculous and paranoid. The whole class was like

I've never seen someone so clueless or in denial. I mean anyone who lives in a smaller town and observes the police force will see that cop activity increases as the month comes to a close. The first half of the month ill be lucky to spot 2 cops. The last week of the month ill pass three sheriffs and two state troopers to and from work. They are everywhere and pulling people left and right the last week of the month to get that quota.

 

[SentinelMind]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?_r=1&

Law enforcement monitoring snail mail...

guys we can't act blind to erosion of our rights going on...we need to wake up!