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Tim Burton & Johnny Depp Team For 'Sweeney Todd'

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Just got back from it. I give it in a nine. It would be a ten if it didn't start out so slowly (it really doesn't pick up until about half way through when the Judge pays his first visit to Sweeney Todd). But after that...amazing. Definitely Burton's most beautifully filmed movie since Edward Scissor Hands. And the ending was heartbreaking. Great movie :up:
 
I found the beginning a bit slow only because they did away with the ****e behavior of the beggar woman.
 
How would you like a little muff dear
A little jig jig
A little bounce around the bush
Wouldn't you like to push me pastly?
It seems to me dear like you've got plenty there to push

:o
 
Jamie Campbell Bower, Johnny Depp & Laura Michelle Kelly version of Johanna is just so bland and it's sad becasue i'm a big fan of the song and the way they sing it just contains no passion what so ever

I think you need to see the movie first. I think the singing is very much helped by the visuals and whole performances. The beauty of Depp's Epiphany is his interaction with Carter's Mrs. Lovett (much more sinister and scary on stage) and Burton's visual and editing techniques in the second half.

I think Depp honestly does suffer most from his limitations in thhis song, though. While his vocals were perfectly suited for My Friends, The Barber and His Wife, Epiphany and A Little Priest, the one that you felt his real limitations on was not Pretty Women surprisingly, but Johanna reprise. It is the one song that really has to be sung completely mournful and hauntingly beautiful, which adds to the humor of him singing this lamenting love song to his daughter as he kills people. In the movie it is passable because the way Burton shoots this and the brutality of the murders works to perfect black comedy as it is both hilarious and repulsive at the same time with a bit of sadness underneath.

Still, I think that was Depp's weakest interpretation, even though it is one of my favorite songs in the show and I still like it in the movie. Carter has similar trouble with Worst Pies in London, which is too bad, because that is Lovett's best song IMO. Even so, I think they were both excellent in this movie and completely iconic. I also saw no problems whatsoever with the Anthony in the movie.
 
It's wierd..I was convinced his wife was played by Kate Hudson..but she isn't..I was 100 percent convinced.
 
Overall it was a good movie. I think the fact that most of the cast members were unprofessional singers may have hurt the movie. There were some musical numbers that were fantastic like Epiphany but then were really bad ones like when Sweeney and the Judge were singing their duet. My ears were about to start bleeding during that scene. It was really bad singing. And then there was musical numbers saved by Burton's direction. Mrs. Lovett's fantasy was hilarious. I loved Sweeney's Beetlejuice-esque bathing suit. It was a nice nod by Burton to his fans.

Also, oddly enough some of the best scenes were the ones where people weren't singing. Example:
[BLACKOUT]Sweeney constructing the death chair as I call it.
Anthony rescuing Johanna. I loved it when the mental patients attacked that guy.
Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett searching for Toby.[/BLACKOUT]

A movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd may have been more interesting than the one we got based on the musical.
 
There were some musical numbers that were fantastic like Epiphany but then were really bad ones like when Sweeney and the Judge were singing their duet.
"Pretty Women"? That was one of my favorite scenes in the film, actually. Visually stunning, and I didn't think the music was all that bad... Rickman's no singer, mind you, but I think it worked okay.

Also, oddly enough some of the best scenes were the ones where people weren't singing. Example:
[blackout]Sweeney constructing the death chair as I call it.
Anthony rescuing Johanna. I loved it when the mental patients attacked that guy.
Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett searching for Toby.[/blackout]
You really thought those were some of the best scenes? I didn't think there was anything particularly impressive about any of those. There were some nice touches, but they didn't stay with me like some of other moments in the film did.
 
I think some of the songs go best with watching the movie, especially johanna in this case. I saw it again this past weekend with a couple of freinds and they loved it . this is the only musical i could ever sit through .
I didn't think the first half of the film was boring , i thought it kind of died down a little in the middle but then picks up again .
 
I loved their rendition of Pretty Women. :(

Those were nice scenes, but the finale or Epiphany or My Frineds (or Pretty Women) were much more memorable. By the way, the sewer scene did have Mrs. Lovett singing.
 
"Pretty Women"? That was one of my favorite scenes in the film, actually. Visually stunning, and I didn't think the music was all that bad... Rickman's no singer, mind you, but I think it worked okay.

Rickman can't sing and Depp is hit or miss. Sometimes he kicks ass, like in Epiphany, and other times he's bad.

You really thought those were some of the best scenes? I didn't think there was anything particularly impressive about any of those. There were some nice touches, but they didn't stay with me like some of other moments in the film did.

Maybe I liked the non-singing scenes because the idea of a movie based on the legend of sweeney todd interests me more than an adaptation of the musical. Those scenes proved that Burton, if he wanted, could have done an awesome movie on the legend.

the sewer scene did have Mrs. Lovett singing.

Yea, but it wasn't a full blown musical number. It was more of a suspense scene.
 
It is the one song that really has to be sung completely mournful and hauntingly beautiful, which adds to the humor of him singing this lamenting love song to his daughter as he kills people.
I thought Depp's version of "Johanna (Reprise)" was among the more mournful/haunting versions I've ever seen. It was filled with melancholy, which was a very different approach than some others have taken. It's certainly much more so than George Hearn's rather mirthful rendition.
 
Rickman can't sing and Depp is hit or miss. Sometimes he kicks ass, like in Epiphany, and other times he's bad.
Rickman doesn't have a good voice, but it's still an interesting one. Kind of like Jeremy Irons' singing voice. I think his weird, unique sound works, especially since the judge is supposed to be such a creepy character. I really wish he had gotten the chance to sing the judge's "Johanna."

As for Depp, I never once think he's bad. I think he ranges from passable to very good, and "Pretty Women" ranks as passable (though the scene becomes excellent because of the performances, Burton's phenomenal direction, and the editing).

Those scenes proved that Burton, if he wanted, could have done an awesome movie on the legend.
Maybe, but IMO, the musical is the ultimate version of the legend. All the other takes pale in comparison, and Burton couldn't have done better if he tried to go an original route... it was better to just adapt Sondheim's work.
 
Maybe, but IMO, the musical is the ultimate version of the legend. All the other takes pale in comparison, and Burton couldn't have done better if he tried to go an original route... it was better to just adapt Sondheim's work.

An adaptation of the musical is a great idea, but you're gonna cast non-singers you might as well just do a movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd. I love Burton. He is one of my favorite directors but his approach here just didn't work. If you're gonna do a musical then cast singers not your best friend and wife. Like I said earlier the movie is really good but it would have been better with people who can actually sing. And don't get me wrong. Johnny Depp did a wonderful job. His singing was hit or miss but his performance was fantastic. But like I said with this cast a non-musical may have worked best.
 
An adaptation of the musical is a great idea, but you're gonna cast non-singers you might as well just do a movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd.
Non-singers are only bad if they don't work. There are plenty of cases where unique sounds that are far from acceptable in normal standards can produce solid work. This can be especially true in the world of musicals, where often the stress is on how well the respective performer embodies the character, not on how well they sing. The best version of "Send in the Clowns" to date is Judi Dench's (as recorded on HEY, MR. PRODUCER!), and she can't sing a lick, but the emotion drips from every word.

In Burton's SWEENEY TODD, the cast's unique voices here each brought something new to their roles, and in almost every case, it was worthwhile. Given the performers' dedication to their characters, I felt like the music actually gained something from having even deeper performances applied to it, even when the technical side of the music suffered a bit. Their casting certainly fits with Sondheim's mantra of "actors who sing, not singers who act." Remember, Sondheim's the guy who cast Glynis Johns in A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC. Everyone involved in Burton's SWEENEY is miles better than her as far as musical talent is concerned.

To look at HBC, she may not be able to sustain a phrase like a great singer (though that really only takes its toll on "The Worst Pies in London"), but man, does that voice haunt me. Its whispery, unearthly tone does have something quite beautiful about it. As a result, I've never heard Mrs. Lovett's longing for Todd in "My Friends" or her desperate pleading in the "Final Sequence" done quite as effectively as her renditions, even though hers isn't the most successful from a musicianship standpoint. There's a reason she was Sondheim's favorite during the recording sessions.

As it stands, I'm more than happy to set my SWEENEY TODD soundtrack alongside the OBC recording and the New York Philharmonic recordings.
 
i loved it. i think that for a musical, be it theatre or silver screen, its not always the beauty of the voice that ppl are going for, its, can this person evoke the emotion, portray the character through the song? i thought they did a great job, was very impressed. when i go to a musical i don't always expect the greatest voices for every role, but i do want to see some good acting, while they're singing, facial expression, body language, etc.
 
An adaptation of the musical is a great idea, but you're gonna cast non-singers you might as well just do a movie based on the legend of Sweeney Todd. I love Burton. He is one of my favorite directors but his approach here just didn't work. If you're gonna do a musical then cast singers not your best friend and wife. Like I said earlier the movie is really good but it would have been better with people who can actually sing. And don't get me wrong. Johnny Depp did a wonderful job. His singing was hit or miss but his performance was fantastic. But like I said with this cast a non-musical may have worked best.

I disagree. I don't think the film would have been as good if it weren't a musical or adaptation of S. Sondheim's work. Fantastic cast and I thought they all did very well.

Pirelli's Miracle Elixir came off so excellent, Toby was enchanting:woot:
 
I can't imagine Sweeney not being a musical.

Although I also can't imagine Hairspray and Legally Blonde not being musicals. :p
 
I wouldn't call any of the leads "non singers" on any level. They may not have been classically trained or very operatic (which can be beneficial with some material), but they could clearly sing, and had resonance to their voices, with few pitch issues. I defy most trained singers (trained singers, not Broadway superstars) to sing as beautifully as Johnny Depp did on the higher notes in his range, or to match what HBC did, or even what Sacha was doing. Or the kid.
 
I wouldn't call any of the leads "non singers" on any level. They may not have been classically trained or very operatic (which can be beneficial with some material), but they could clearly sing, and had resonance to their voices, with few pitch issues. I defy most trained singers (trained singers, not Broadway superstars) to sing as beautifully as Johnny Depp did on the higher notes in his range, or to match what HBC did, or even what Sacha was doing. Or the kid.

Sacha was fantastic. His performance was my favorite. The man will be a HUGE star one day. Yea, he's big in England but he'll be big in the U.S. very soon.
 
Sacha was fantastic. His performance was my favorite. The man will be a HUGE star one day. Yea, he's big in England but he'll be big in the U.S. very soon.

He's already big in the U.S. Does "Borat" ring any bells?
 
He's already big in the U.S. Does "Borat" ring any bells?

The character BORAT is popular. Sacha Baron Cohen, the actor, is not. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's the fact. If you ask random people on the street who Sacha Baron Cohen is most will say "who?" Now ask who Borat is and everyone will know. I think Cohen retiring Ali G and Borat was a smart move. He'll become a popular actor in a few years. His next role is in a Steven Spielberg movie.
 
Sacha was fantastic. His performance was my favorite. The man will be a HUGE star one day. Yea, he's big in England but he'll be big in the U.S. very soon.

He is quite the talented person.
 
The character BORAT is popular. Sacha Baron Cohen, the actor, is not. I know that doesn't make sense, but it's the fact. If you ask random people on the street who Sacha Baron Cohen is most will say "who?" Now ask who Borat is and everyone will know. I think Cohen retiring Ali G and Borat was a smart move. He'll become a popular actor in a few years. His next role is in a Steven Spielberg movie.

Still, it's not like he's an unknown actor.

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