Two years on, still absolutely amazing

[Kevin Roegele]

I'd put Hulk's battles as the first full scale ones

But HUlk doesn't fight a super-powered opponent, that's my point. He fights Absorbing Dad, but that just a weird scene.

 

[November Rain]

I agree he could have done with more screen time, but how was he underused in the action scenes??

He did it all. Climbed walls, manoeuvred around the train with them, blocked Spidey's webbing with his tentacles, walked on them, grabbed Spidey with them, slammed him into all kinds of things with them, tried to crush his head with them etc.

What was underused??

multi-tasking desctruction...

complete rage with some arms with subtlety of lighting a cigar with others.

in fairness, ock was more brutal with his arms towards the people in the hospital than he was with spidey.

he also never used those spiky bits in an actual fight which would have been nice as well and except for the bags, he never incorporated random objects into his bout.

on the side of the building, i would have loved to have seen him using one of his hands to grab something from within the office like a chair and bashing spidey away with it intead of simply throwing him back.

I'd only say he was slightly underused.

 

[November Rain]

But HUlk doesn't fight a super-powered opponent, that's my point. He fights Absorbing Dad, but that just a weird scene.

originally i didn't quite like that scene and felt it was confusing...

and although the fight was underplayed in the sense of grand scale END OF FILM fights, i felt that its simplicity mimmicked the tone of the rest of the film.

It wasn't overblown, nor did it last for an unecessary length of time and it got it's point across....

I do like the fights though in spidey 2 but as nice as they are, they lack a substance.

the first one actually causes more problems that would have occured if spidey hadn't shown up (endangering his aunt) and leads with the criminal getting away and spidey swinging off in the opposite direction.

the second one leads to more trouble that not with a whole train being endangered and spidey losing (whether by choice or not).

The third one leads to nothing as spidey still needs the villains' help to stop the machine and manages to do so as parker rather than spidey. So the tussle is yet again in vain.


the difference with the absorbing dad fight is that it does get appoint the fact that bruce is carrying a seriously heavy burden he doesnt want and it isn't all roses being the hulk. The rest of the fights in that film have about as much meaning as the ones in spidey 2, although i would say his journey to san fran showed a love for betty, a homing instinct when in trouble and i felt that was touching.

the spidey 1 fights may not be spectacular but drive the story with respect to the main character forward.

uncertainty of his abilities with flash
cockiness is shown in the wrestling
revenge and awakening with his chase with the robber
the fights up to the burning building are fairly empty
mutual infatuation with mj is shown in the night time rain fight
Goblin's burning building ends up revealing his identity while discovering it is going to get personal
The last fight shows peter's strength and responsibility in the face of adversity and shows the ugly side to being a hero.


so they may not look as nice but it drives pete.

I think the story aspects of spidey 2 show pete's drive while the action scenes for ock are really to show his growth or deterioration throughout the film (bar train catching).

without those fights, we wouldn't get to know much about ock and what he'd take to get what he wants as much as we did.


so it comes down to whether you want a fight villain driven or hero driven. I don't mind a mix myself as long as the story sections share the same mix in the ratio.

 

[twylight]

I still can't get over how astonishing the action scenes are in Spidey 2. Especially conpared with those of Spidey 1 (which were decent but nothing amazing). Sony admirably gave Raimi the huge amounts of money he needed to create something special on Spidey 2, and he and his team raised the bar.

Spidey 2 is truly the first time that a full-scale, city-wide, ultra-destructive comicbook battle without limits has been mastered onscreen. Whilst Superman II contains a superb climax, Spidey 2 shows things Donner & co could only dream of. When you read a comicbook, you feel anything can happen, and you genuinely get that feel from Spidey 2. Money is not an obstacle, impossible stunts are not an obstacle thanks to CGI....it's wonderful.

Yes, the FX quality in SM2 is really amazing, and it's stood up to the last few years wonderfully. In fact I don't doubt that even if the quality of it dwindles in the coming years because of more advances in FX this movie will still have enough in it to be amazing.

However, other than the FX quality, the movie is a two watch deal. and I even got the Directors Edition.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Yes, the FX quality in SM2 is really amazing, and it's stood up to the last few years wonderfully. In fact I don't doubt that even if the quality of it dwindles in the coming years because of more advances in FX this movie will still have enough in it to be amazing.

However, other than the FX quality, the movie is a two watch deal. and I even got the Directors Edition.

Director's Edition? This is my first time hearing of this.

 

[Vile]

I get bored halfway through watching Spidey punch Octopus in the face 45 times.

I still believe it was poorly executed.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I'd have to agree with how fascinating the special effects were in SM2, but even more impressive was the character development of both hero and villian (as some have already pointed out.) That for me stole the show.

 

[Art_of_Crime]

this was such a let down for me. I was so mad at the end of this movie I wanted my money back

 

[ultimatefan]

It´s still a highly enjoyable experience for me. I love how Raimi makes something out of every moment, whether visually, emotionally, etc. It´s a great combination of small, intimate character moments with pure, big and exhilarating popcorn fun.

 

[Art_of_Crime]

i guess you guys saw a different movie than the one I saw

 

[The Joker]

i guess you guys saw a different movie than the one I saw

No, we just have different tastes. I saw you liked X-Men 3, one of the most hated superhero movies of all time. We like Spider-Man 2, one of the most loved superhero movies of all time, you didn't.

So to paraphrase you, hey we liked it, too bad you think it sucked.

 

[Robin91939]

No, we just have different tastes. I saw you liked X-Men 3, one of the most hated superhero movies of all time. We like Spider-Man 2, one of the most loved superhero movies of all time, you didn't.

So to paraphrase you, hey we liked it, too bad you think it sucked.

That's a little drastic Ock. Yeah, THE LAST STAND isn't liked or respected, but not nessecarily hated. (Except for the fact of what could have been, but as an individual piece of work...). But you're right when comparing them as films and as superhero movies, SPIDER-MAN 2 succeeded in every area that X3: THE LAST STAND did not. Story, pacing, effects, character, emotion...

THE LAST STAND had some really good scenes, moments, characters and imagery, but SPIDER-MAN 2, simply is far better. I don't know how the quality of the two projects can be brought into question by anyone here.

We are in agreeance.

-R

 

[The Joker]

That's a little drastic Ock. Yeah, THE LAST STAND isn't liked or respected, but not nessecarily hated.

No, dude believe me it is hated. Fans, both X-Men and non X-Men fans, spit venom when they speak about it. It's held right up there with Catwoman as one of the worst superhero movies ever.

Go to the X-Men forums and ask. Go to the Misc movies forum and ask. There's a thread there called "I wasted 104 minutes of my life watching X-Men 3" or something. Just read the posts in there.

The movie is truly hated by most people. I kid you not.

 

[X Knight]

i just watched both Spidey films again.......let's just say it rekindled that old Spidey fan inside me. Reminded me so much why I always liked Spiderman the most as I was growing up, be it games, comics, or cartoons.

I'm really glad we got Raimi, Tobey, and the rest of the crew for these films. And, I can only hope they will deliver once again come May.

Hmmm....I might even have to change my user name to something more spider-related..........

 

[mjbull23]

I still love this movie ... and the train rescue scene is one of the greatest rescue scenes in any SH flick i've ever seen.

 

[Mr Jide]

Em, in terms of action I was much more disappointed with GG's fights than Ock's. I think it is mostly budget but GG wasn't given his ariel due, something SM3 will partially make up for it seems.

Harry will make up for that in sm3 so it seems.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I still love this movie ... and the train rescue scene is one of the greatest rescue scenes in any SH flick i've ever seen.

THE greatest.

 

[November Rain]

don't hold the train scene up on a pedestal.

on a reflection of the genre, if it is indeed the best scene, then the whole superhero movie industry has been letting down fans with the action because if you were to make a comic of that, it would be quite a mundane issue.

as a scene for sheer power and effectiveness, nothing beats singer's wolverine cage fight. A whole character is pretty much defined to a tee within a minute without even saying a word. heck you barely even see his face. how powerful is that?

 

[Redwoods Wolf]

I thought Spidey 2 did what most comic book movies seem to view as optional: building characters. As entertaining as B89 was, it held little emotional appeal for me because Batman is just...nobody, really. Kind of Bruce Wayne, sure a crimefighter, okay, his parents got killed, but who is this guy? BBegins excelled because it went into the reasons and nuances and thought structure of Batman.

I believe SM-2 did the same. Maybe cheezy (it's hard for me to rate these things because I can be forgiving if it's a humorous movie), maybe over-the-top...but the characters were credible, and they, the foundation, made the rest of the building and structure work. Fight scenes on a train scene is great. But if all you've got are cardboard cut-outs, who cares?

(And I did love the fight scenes--first time I felt like I was living a comic-book cinematically.)

 

[zanos]

I liked the action scenes for the train sequence but the action scenes overall in the film were nothing to really write home about. Considering the film had the highest budget ever they could have done better.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

everytime i watch this movie i get an amazing feeling watching it. the train sequence blew me away. the fight sequences in this movie are absoloutley amazing.

 

[SuperAl]

i love the Spiderman movies, they are always amazing when i see them in the theater, but they are a bit cheezy at times and some of the lines Peter parker says are just horrible, like the poetry bit in part 2. Id like part three to be much much more serious, instead of relying so much on humor which the others did a bit too much. Which i think it will be based off the trailers.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I still love this movie, the SFX are amazing.

 

[Skywalker88]

hell yeah!! one of my favorite movies!!