"White Heat" Talkback

Batman Beyond had a lot of good ideas.
Speaking of which, Blight was a nod to Dr Phosphorous ... well more than a nod ...
I liked this episode with Firefly becoming Phosphorous. I think there were some good points and good thing throughout the episode. The relationship between Firefly and his girl was nice, I did love the lead suit (just as any batman black suit I could see), I liked the destroyed mask of batman, showing his face, and I loved the design of Phosphorous, I find it beautiful !
And I liked how they made it Firefly into Phosphorous.
Nevertheless, the villain's motivations were not very bright, maybe the love story did make it a little stronger, but not much, and please! why do they keep writing cheesy lines like "I'm just warming up", "I'm so hot" , etc , ... That was really lame. After Freeze, Phosphorous ...

If I may make a comparison, I prefer Blight to this Phosphorous. The glowing green allowing to see his skeleton was so great!
 
It was good and that suit was just damn cool, but no previews for next week?
 
I don't think there's a new episode next week. I think we'll be getting reruns. They have to strectch 13 episodes over one season so I'm guessing the next new episode will be during November sweeps.

The episode was alright, but was pretty much filler. It wasn't as good as the team up episodes. The lead bat suit was cool though. I liked that half his mask was torn so you could see some of his face at the end. Overall it was an okay episode. I give it 6/10.
 
Firefly, at least in terms of THE BATMAN, could qualify as one of his A-List rogues, having debuted in his own episode in Season One, along the likes of Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Ventriloquist, Clayface, Dr. Hugo Strange, and Mr. Freeze. Sure, so did Cluemaster, but he also has gotten repeat appearences. In the world of Batman comics, however, he is a C-Lister at best. Another heat themes Bat-rogue, Phosphorus, ranks even lower. I remember some interviews with John Byrne during his ill-concieved SPIDER-MAN CHAPTER ONE series where his big idea was to "merge" some of the "radioactive explosions/incidents" in his origin revamps so they didn't happen as often. In a way, this episode has an idea that is simular; rather than Batman having two pyrokenetic menaces, why not merge them into one character? It has the advantage of allowing some more development to Firefly's storyline, and his voice actor, Jason Marsden, has always given capable performances.

This episode also gives us a break from Justice League team-ups, as Batman and his sidekicks tackle this threat on their own. SPOILERS BELOW!!

"White Heat" has some explosive visuals, some extension of a foe's storyline, and some neat vehicles and yet another Batsuit. But in the end, it is one of those middle of the road episodes to me. It isn't terrific, but far, far from being bad. It's alright. A solid B episode.

The plot involves Firefly gaining a new partner as well as a love interest in a scientist named Blaze. Their big idea is to score a large haul from a robbery to be able to leave Gotham behind and relax together overseas. Unfortunately, the radioactive isotope they steal to enhance his heat-jetpack technology goes haywire and explodes, transforming Firefly into a metahuman who gives off more heat by the second. At first mad with power, Firefly soon learns he cannot control the powers he has gained and takes on a more monstrous appearence. He even takes a new name -- Phosphorus.

Naturally, Batman, Robin, and Batgirl manage to pool their efforts to stop him. The two teen sidekicks continue to have some interplay and competition with each other; while Batman continues to allow Robin "shotgun" in the Batmobile, Batman entrusts Batgirl with doing more complicated scans and solo detective work for him. It makes sense as she is not only older, but started out as a more independant heroine; she donned her costume to save Gordon from Poison Ivy, not team up with Batman, after all. That was just a perk. Batgirl manages to get in some links with Blaze, who did care for Firefly/Phosphorus, but he grows more and more unstable and untouchable.

Most of the character focus does go on Firefly, and the impression on him is that he isn't one of Gotham's "elite" criminals. The media consistantly gets his name wrong ("Bee-Man" or "Bumblebee"), and the last time he had a major role, he was reduced to teaming up with The Penguin along sad sacks like Killer Moth (which was a cool episode, among Penguin's best, actually). On the other hand, unlike many of Batman's "Arkham freaks" as Phos put it, he isn't crazy and usually is just in things for the money, although towards the end he does seem to go power-mad, wanting to blow up all of Gotham. Of course, if I turned into a charcoal man who couldn't stop setting stuff ablaze to the point where I couldn't touch my girlfriend or even EAT, I'd be a little nutty, too. His reddsign was simple, reminded me of Charcoal from THUNDERBOLTS, but it worked.

Batman trucks out a new anti-heat Bat-costume, which looked incredibly cool; argueably one of his coolest looking alternate suits since the scuba one he used against Killer Croc (In Season 2's "Swamped"). The fight at the end is pretty good, although seen one fireball and explosion, seen 'em all. One notable development is half of Batman's mask is burnt off, but unfortunately NOTHING is made of this, so it seems like a wasted detail. The episode ends with Blaze leaving Phos and the doctor ironically noting that had Firefly heeded her advice and gone to a hospital in the beginning, he may have been saved. I wonder if we'll soon get an episode where the moral is that stopping to ask for directions IS a good idea. Kidding on the last part. :p

It was good seeing some romantic angle utilized with Firefly, but as this may be THE BATMAN's last season, I will say it is a shame I couldn't say the same for Batman. If there ever was an angle that Timm's show left bare, it was Wayne's love life. The most he had was the "thing" with Wonder Woman in JL/U, which ended up going nowhere. This show could have gone deeper, had Yin been allowed to develop more or even Vicki Vale allowed to reappear from the DTV, or something. Instead we got almost nothing after Batgirl showed up, and it is a lost oppurtunity.

This may have been Firefly's best episode, but the bar was raised a bit in Season 4. Still, it was an enjoyable episode that didn't rely on a Superfriends team-up and a guest rogue. LOSH is kicking THE BATMAN's rear in story quality, IMO, this season.
SOOOOO TRUUUEE...:cwink:
 
This for me was the best episode of season five so far.

The threat of doc phos was more than the threat of luthor and also the threat of count vertigo..

it had the best villain build up, batgirl wasn't too annoying and it was good to watch them altogether

the intensity of it felt somewhat like a modern day reverse version of artifacts. Bats didn't go all out but i guess he is not as gritty as his future self.

also a nice nod to past episodes seeing robing getting to grips with the bat-wing, they could have thrown in a line about it though.

great batsuit although it was a lil too dark to visually appreciate it. I noticed someone made a black panther reference earlier, good hit, i never saw it.

I would have loved to have seen doc glow just at the end of the episode to see he may be back.

a nice return to the old flavour but i still think the action scenes are slightly off this season, no where near as fluid.

What is coming next week?
 
this episode was okay, but it could of been better. i like the little quip when the cops said freeze to firefly /phospherous & then he said burn!:woot: but phospherous was pretty badass in IMO! i hope we get to see more of this character. cause he has alot of potential to becoming a new badass villian!:up:
 
it was an okay episode,

i grow weary of the one liners though :(
 
this episode was okay, but it could of been better. i like the little quip when the cops said freeze to firefly /phospherous & then he said burn!:woot: but phospherous was pretty badass in IMO! i hope we get to see more of this character. cause he has alot of potential to becoming a new badass villian!:up:

I actually really liked firefly already. he was one of the few new re imaged batman villains that actually got better. Part of my likes the way they interconnected the two firey characters. but part of me is going to miss firefly.
 
I actually really liked firefly already. he was one of the few new re imaged batman villains that actually got better. Part of my likes the way they interconnected the two firey characters. but part of me is going to miss firefly.


not me, i say bring on the phospherous!:woot: :up:
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"