Comics Who else thinks Venom is Bizarro Spider-Man?

[CyrusGrissom]

Is it me or does anyone think he's similar to Bizarro? same kind of evil twin to the superhero.

 

[Dangerous]

Not quite since it is two entities combined- one alien and one a completely different person to Parker, not even a clone.

So no.

 

[Guybrush]

I don't read Superman, but is Bizarro an overused overrated villain? If so then yes.

 

[crivelliman]

Venom is the anti-Spider-Man. He's everything Peter Parker/Spider-Man isn't: dark, muscle-bound, disgusting, irresponsible, old, and a murderer. I say old because Peter's supposed to be in his mid-to-late twenties, and I always liked the idea of Brock being a man in his late thirties, early forties. Either way, I understand your comparison, but he's not necessarily "Bizarro" because Bizarro is from the backwards, Bizarro world, who thinks he's Superman. Venom doesn't think he's Spider-Man, or want to be Spider-Man, so the fundamental comparison is a little flimsy.

Actually, that'd be a neat Brock/Venom story in the next crop of Spider-Man comics. Brock gets the alien back and they do a better-than-his-roots revival where the motivations for Brock's need to kill Spider-Man stem from a deep-seeded, personally detestable admiration for Peter Parker, but knows he will never be as responsible, moral, or capable. I mean, you take the theme and then come up with a fun story with great character interaction, and you'll have a new Venom story people want to read.

 

[storyteller]

This goes back to mythology. The idea that there is the evil or opposite version. Cain and Abel....
While now with science we can have stories where their more similar.

Bizzaro is not the first doppleganger. I mean in terms of the idea(similar origin/powers or opposites), its blatantly clear venom is bizzaro spiderman. I dont see how you can dispute that. Though i would say if you take away the webbing and the last decade of monster venom, he's more of another villian than the bizzaro version.

 

[Venomfan]

Doc Ock is gonna come in here and give good reasons why Venom isnt the anti-spider-man

 

[The Jester]

I was actually thinking that Doc Ock is kinda more of spider-man's opposite.

• Both animals they represent have 8 arms
• they're both geniuses
• and lastly, they were both given powers from an accident, except that each one took a different path

 

[WolfCypher]

Doesn't every superhero have a 'bizarro' in some way?

Wolverine & Sabretooth
Spider-Man & Venom
Daredevil & Bullseye
Batman & Joker
Hell, I've got a corrupted twin still out there, just waiting for me to lower my guard.

I like Crivelliman's post. That would be a nice direction for Venom. I mean, what else can they do to Venom that hasn't already been done?

 

[Joker]

Bizarro is not like any of the villains listed there. He's not "evil" per say, as all of them are...just...confused. In really simple terms, he's ******ed Superman. He can be used for evil, like all the times Luthor has brainwashed him, but he doesnt really have any malice of his own, like Venom does.

 

[WolfCypher]

Bizarro is not like any of the villains listed there. He's not "evil" per say, as all of them are...just...confused. In really simple terms, he's ******ed Superman. He can be used for evil, like all the times Luthor has brainwashed him, but he doesnt really have any malice of his own, like Venom does.

Ah, good explanation. I guess I got "evil mirror twin" and "archenemy" mixed up. I'm guessing the closest thing Spidey has to a bizarro is the Doppelganger.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

This goes back to mythology. The idea that there is the evil or opposite version. Cain and Abel....
While now with science we can have stories where their more similar.

James Bond 007 = Alex Trevelyan 006 (GoldenEye)
Ethan Hunt = Sean Ambrose (MI2)
Iron Man = Crimson Dynamo
And let's not forget the episode of The Simpsons where they go to Shelbyville to rescue the lemon tree

 

[dodus]

Spidey = Venom
Darkwing = Nega

 

[Dope Nose]

The Flash & Professor Zoom, the Reverse Flash

 

[Kevin Roegele]

The evil Spidey was supposed to be the Tarantula....obviously the name (a bigger spider), and the red and blue costume. Curiously, he has no super-powers, so he only has his agility and poison-tipped boots (which much be very awkward to walk in) to go against Spidey.

 

[Joker]

yeah, but Tarantula, and his stupid pointy shoes, sucked

 

[Kevin Roegele]

yeah, but Tarantula, and his stupid pointy shoes, sucked

I think even Marvel Comics agreed with you there.

 

[Dark Spidey]

What about...

The Scorpion

I always saw him as Spidey's opposite.

 

[imdaly]

I always saw Eddie Brock/Venom as the mirror image of Peter Parker/Spider-Man. And for this reason, I really like how in USM and in the "Spider-Man 3" Eddie Brock isn't the big muscle-bound weightlifter like we see in the original comics.

I've heard lots of people say to me that they really don't like the idea of Topher Grace being Eddie Brock because "Eddie is supposed to be huge and full of muscles". Well, yeah, if you go exactly the way the original comics go, but this way works better, IMO, for the character.

See, in my view, Eddie Brock is who Peter Parker would have turned out to be if he didn't have the great guidance of Aunt May and Uncle Ben to help shape him into the responsible person he is now. Peter lives by the mantle "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility". Eddie just thinks "Great Power! Awesome! I deserve it!"

So when they make Eddie Brock to be just as scrawny as Peter Parker is, I think that just emphasizes even more the metaphor. It goes even further to show that Eddie Brock is Peter Parker, just without the sense of responsibility.

So the combination of Eddie Brock being Peter Parker's irresponsible "twin" and the symbiote being Spider-Man's evil "twin", makes for a very cool character and a great psychology study piece

 

[Guybrush]

Yeah Eddie Brock is the opposite of Peter Parker, because Peter Parker is the best character in comics while Eddie Brock is probably the worst.

In order to become an alter ego of someone, you need to be similiar yet diffrent, there is nothing in common between Peter Parker and Eddie Brock. Different origins, different personnalities, different life styles, there is just nothing alike between this two. If there is one villain that is actually the alter ego of Spidey/Peter, that villain is Doc Ock.

In the Ultimate version (And I guess the film I haven't seen it yet tho) they are much more similiar and hence Venom makes a better villain. In the regular 616 Universe, Venom is boring and kinda lame, hopefully in the next 2 part story in Sensational he will actually be interesting. Wouldn't hold my breath tho.

 

[Dope Nose]

In order to become an alter ego of someone, you need to be similiar yet diffrent, there is nothing in common between Peter Parker and Eddie Brock.

I don't think you understand what "alter ego" refers to.

 

[Guybrush]

I don't think you understand what "alter ego" refers to.

Enlighten me then.

 

[Dope Nose]

basically it means a person's other self. Spider-man is Peter Parker's alter ego. Superman is Clark Kent's.

 

[imdaly]

^^^ He's right, Threepwood.

 

[The Joker]

The only thing Brock and Spidey have in common in similar powers. Nothing else.

Peter = good character
Brock = shallow, one dimensional, lame character