We Cannot Defeat Our Enemies Like This!!

And celldog himself points out the many, many contradictions within the Bible.

If you can't even get Jesus characterization straight, how can you hope to take this thing seriously?

Also, that doesn't even SOUND like Jesus. Looks like the words of a zealot. It was the zealots who preached military means. Many were attracted to Jesus early on due to his strong voice and leadership skills. They quickly became disillusioned by his message of universal love and compassion. I would assume the quote you've chosen is something a zealot wrote in at a later point.
 
Kaleb, while your pic in post #32 is not pornography, it is in poor taste. Surely you can find a better pic to prove your point.

Thank you.
 
Danger Mouse said:
Kaleb, while your pic in post #32 is not pornography, it is in poor taste. Surely you can find a better pic to prove your point.

Thank you.


OH SNAP! NEW MOD PWNING!
 
chill out mah babies......



.......torture is for squares man....


that is all



*does cool two handed peace signs above head that presidents do before getting on a plane or after a speech*
 
celldog said:
The Bible clearly says that in this world we live in, there is a time for war! A time to put down your enemy!

Jesus knows hearts. we do not. in any case, God putting people to a quick death for being murderous, selfish and unloving at Armegeddon is a far cry from mere humans taking people and torturing them.

when Jesus said to love our enemies, how exactly does that include torture?

celldog said:
And this same Jesus will one day return and put down His enemies...

notice that it is Jesus doing this, not his followers.

the apostle Paul emphasized this when he said "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to [what we are in the] flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things." (2 Cor 10:3,4)

do you really think that people can stop the hatred that causes warfare and terrorism by killing people? the only way to stop hate is by love.

celldog said:
The Rider on the White Horse
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great."

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

God never kills the wrong person. can you make the same claim for the governments you support?

celldog said:

Jesus never said to be a fool.

Jesus also said (quoting Isaiah) "This people honors [God] with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping [him], because they teach commands of men as doctrines." (Matt 15:8,9)
 
celldog said:
Didn't you read the post???????? Jesus does allow for war when needed!!! He coming back to make war against His enemies!!

Read these words of Jesus:

Matthew 23
Seven Woes
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.


You guys act like Jesus was just love, love, love...........like he never got angry with righteous indignation. Well you got the wrong Jesus. Don't cherry pick.



Jesus got angry but you don't read about him killing anyone, nor did he direct his followers to do so.

instead, the apostle John said "For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should have love for one another; not like Cain, who originated with the wicked one and slaughtered his brother. . .

and "Everyone who hates his brother is a manslayer, . ." (1 John 3:11,12,15)

which one of these people are not your brothers, celldog?
 
JLBats said:
And celldog himself points out the many, many contradictions within the Bible.

If you can't even get Jesus characterization straight, how can you hope to take this thing seriously?

Also, that doesn't even SOUND like Jesus. Looks like the words of a zealot. It was the zealots who preached military means. Many were attracted to Jesus early on due to his strong voice and leadership skills. They quickly became disillusioned by his message of universal love and compassion. I would assume the quote you've chosen is something a zealot wrote in at a later point.

Jesus spoke of God's war, an end to man's rule in the future. At that time, God will look at our hearts. those who cannot love their brothers will not be allowed to continue making the earth a violent place to live. the meek will inherit the earth, but God does this; not men.
 
Kessel Day said:
Jesus knows hearts. we do not. in any case, God putting people to a quick death for being murderous, selfish and unloving at Armegeddon is a far cry from mere humans taking people and torturing them.

when Jesus said to love our enemies, how exactly does that include torture?



notice that it is Jesus doing this, not his followers.

the apostle Paul emphasized this when he said "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to [what we are in the] flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things." (2 Cor 10:3,4)

do you really think that people can stop the hatred that causes warfare and terrorism by killing people? the only way to stop hate is by love.



God never kills the wrong person. can you make the same claim for the governments you support?



Jesus also said (quoting Isaiah) "This people honors [God] with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping [him], because they teach commands of men as doctrines." (Matt 15:8,9)


Religiowned.
 
And we can't defeat the enemy when we become them.
 
I've said that many times on many occasions on these boards, and a few people never seem to understand that.
 
First rule of the fanatic: When you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy
 
Kessel Day rocks. Celldog is not a Christian. He is a joke. I remember him coming into the North Korea thread and just posting pictures of mushroom clouds saying to drop atomic bombs on North Korea. Ugh, celldog sucks so much.
 
America is in shambles.Their blasted escipades have costed them dearly.The rest of the world is waiting,we have nearly had enough of them.The USA will be destroyed by the world united against them,ironic.
 
Jourmugand said:
America is in shambles.Their blasted escipades have costed them dearly.The rest of the world is waiting,we have nearly had enough of them.The USA will be destroyed by the world united against them,ironic.


Oh noes:( .
 
Jourmugand said:
America is in shambles.Their blasted escipades have costed them dearly.The rest of the world is waiting,we have nearly had enough of them.The USA will be destroyed by the world united against them,ironic.

:rolleyes:
 
Jourmugand said:
America is in shambles.Their blasted escipades have costed them dearly.The rest of the world is waiting,we have nearly had enough of them.The USA will be destroyed by the world united against them,ironic.

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So the U.S is finally following the Geneva Convention?

About time. :up:
 
celldog said:
You keep side stepping everything I just wrote!! They are not being torured by any stretch compared to what they have done to innocent journalists, engineers, construction workers, missionaries, teachers, and relief workers...

None of them have received a tenth of what they've given to our people.
:mad:

LOL. and remember kids, we are absolutley sure that all these people are terrorists and behead people and stuff, no mistakes can be made, and it's not like we don't have footage "arab" looking people doing this.

you know what these prisioners look like?

that's right!

A-rabs!

the prosecution rests.
 
Kessel Day said:
"do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Respectffully Kessell........"your" Jesus isn't even the correct one. He's a god..not the God. He's not even eternal.......He's Michael the Archangel.....etc etc.....

Half of you aren't even Christians. But you are telling me how to be one?? LOL !!

But this whole thing is turning far away from the subject!

Look.....these murderous monsters do not need to be released from Gitmo. No one is being tortured. And even if they are being interrogated, it sure as heck does not measure up to the tortured they dish out.


DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS HOW THEY TORTURE OUR PEOPLE???
 
celldog said:
But this whole thing is turning far away from the subject!
Yes it is. If this thread gets any closer to petty name-calling or religion-bashing it will be closed.
 
The whole complaint here is we are being portrayed like we are **** and *******s when these prisoners are being treated better than American criminals.

The negative side is being shown in the Arab countries and we end up looking like the *****. How we are portrayed (by our own media no less) is the reason we are hated, despite our good intentions. People miss the boat entirely.
 

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