2017 Predictions (Place Your Bets)

[marvelrobbins]

Homecoming is going to be biggest comic book film of 2017.Stark in it pretty much gurantes it will hit 400 million domesticly.

since spider-man is going to be in Infinity war marvel is producing the sequel to homecoming.

remember ongoing questions if sony even remains in film and tv business much longer.If Sony decides to sell it's film and tv divisons off disney may outright buy SOny film divison.

 

[GeckoMoria]

It may kill the individual films, but Marvel basically has the right to use Spidey in the MCU whenever they choose to. They have to produce the solo films with Sony, but it's Feige's production team that's running the show.

Overall I agree, there is a great deal of pressure for this film to perform. I don't nescisarily think it has too hit $1B, but yes 750M would be a huge disappointment. However I think $800-$900M would be doable to proceed forward, anything over 900M is a big success.

You have to cut the film some slack because the TASM movies really hurt the Spider-man brand. Had those films not existed and we were getting this movie, it would pretty much be guaranteed $1B.

TASM1 was cut short of it's full potential due to the Aurora Theater shootings in 2012, otherwise it probably would have made it to $800M or more.

Let me say this again. If Sony is dissatisfied with HC's box office they can break the deal after Infinity War. They won't care about the backlash. They didn't go through all this trouble and elaborate negotiations, paying RDJ to have the next Spider-man film earning 40 millions more than the last one. If it kills individual films, it kills Spider-man in the MCU. Son'y only gain is the box office from the solos. If they don't make when they wish why would they keep Spider-manin the MCU? For the fans?

 

[Zarex]

Let me say this again. If Sony is dissatisfied with HC's box office they can break the deal after Infinity War. They won't care about the backlash. They didn't go through all this trouble and elaborate negotiations, paying RDJ to have the next Spider-man film earning 40 millions more than the last one. If it kills individual films, it kills Spider-man in the MCU. Son'y only gain is the box office from the solos. If they don't make when they wish why would they keep Spider-manin the MCU? For the fans?

Feige and company have to rebuild the brand after the horror show that was ASM2. $750M at the BO combined with (hopefully) good reviews pretty much guarantees that they will be flirting with $1 billion in future installments. You've got to walk before you can run.

And let's say Sony kills the deal - now what? A non-MCU reboot, with a fourth cinematic Spidey, within a few years of Tom's initial solo outing? Good luck selling tickets to that one.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Sony logically sees that movies like Guardians are tracking close to a billion and rightfully ask for that especially considering it's Spider-man. A dr strange movie grossed close to 700 so Spider-man doing 750 is NOt what Sony wants.

Anyway this discussion is pointless. It won't gross 750. it will gross more and if it's good way more. There is a reason they are putting Stark in the trailer. "This isn't like the other Spider-man movies, he is part of something bigger now". let Harry and other narrow-minded people complain as much as they want. This is the right play.

 

[JKKS085]

Spider-man doing 750 is NOt what Sony wants.

Sony is in no position to ask for anything at this point.
Their last attempt at Spider-Man was dead on arrival, they have Marvel Studios doing the bulk of the work for them on the solos and their most valuable character featured in the biggest most eagerly awaited movies in the genre. They WILL shut up even if it makes 750M because they KNOW ASM3 would've have made a lot less than that and that the perspective of another reboot would lead to an actual industrial disaster this time around.

Homecoming is all about prospects, as long as it is well received and helps rebuild the brand, Sony will be happy. Now if it isn't that's another story.

 

[2kt09]

Finally got around to Logan.

As much fun I had, this won't be the one to win best picture/best screenplay.
It definitely stands as a chance to be the best cbm of the year
as well as one of the greats (not one I have said about last year's lineup)

I'll be equally surprised if The Lego Batman Movie ends up as the best animated feature as good as it was. It was more juvenile than The Lego Movie without as good of substance or lego "stop-motion" style that many demanded it be considered.

That Justice League Dark flick might end up being the best animated dtv of the year, which doesn't mean much to most. Hopefully, it means something to the people in charge of the live-action adaptation.
Comic Con 2017, make it happen!

They seemed to really have stepped their game up for GOTG Vol 2. Getting some Flash Gordon vibes mixed with some better put together FnF feels. Better than the first is certainly now a possibility.
Best of 2017? Probably not. Highest grossing of 2017? I can certainly see it.

Teen Titans: Judas Contract has the same people involved as JLD, so it should definitely be a great sequel to JL vs TT.

The DCEU flicks this year more than the last will get plenty of gripes over slow-mo as Wonder Woman is without a doubt at the front of it. There's a strong likelihood this will have the most cross appeal of something solemnly epic and still very organically relatable. The issue arises in the action not blending in as well to a potentially rich direction and screenplay. On the box office side, it should definitely over-perform, but getting to Skwad or BvS numbers is uncertain.

Valerian is one of 2 cosmic fantasies I'm truly looking forward to. It looks unusual and sprawling in all the right ways, but I get the feeling Besson's past his prime from a writer's standpoint. So, while this will be a visual treat, I'm not expecting much from his adaptation of the characters/story. Definitely checking this comic out as it has a bonkers premise.

I'm not one to bet against the propensity for movies featuring Tony Stark making high returns, but Spider-Man Homecoming just feels like the same old thing with a different coat of "Ultimate" paint. So, one of the highest grossing is sure-fired, but the filmmakers involved and the decisions teased thus far do not swell me up with confidence. I see this possibly being better than SM3 and TASM2, which would be good enough in the eyes of many.

Now named Atomic Blonde, I'm definitely stoked for this, but there are parts to it that seem like Leitch is overcompensating this time around. I don't see this building on what made the John Wick series so great, but it should be fun enough seeing him branch out.

Vaughn's first sequel to a cbm he helmed and I can't wait to see him bring it.
Kingsman: Golden Circle is bound to be more ridiculous action-wise, whilst retaining much of the wit of the first one. I also expect this to make more than the last one, given while R-rated cbm sequels are practically dtv-tier affairs, that's usually due to the previous director not sticking around.
I'm also going with the best of 2017 here.

Thor Ragnarok will be the best Thor movie and just the best MCU movie in a long while. That's what is meant by this being TWS of the Thor entries. It will do what GOTG attempted and is currently going for, but on a level that only Waititi would be known for...and that's coming from someone who's used to the Asgardian stories being fairly humorless epics. It's the other cosmic fantasy I'm ready for if that wasn't clear enough. Box office-wise, it should make high marks as long as the promos play up the inclusion of Hulk and Dr Strange, though most of all a Thor characterized like never before.

Justice League will make bank. Even when Terrio and Snyder stated in advance that this will be like any other threequel that's lighter in tone, my concern has always been they'd end up too far on that spectrum. I'm going with a slightly better scripted Suicide Squad Part Deux with way less editing mishaps = still pretty hollow characters & interactions when a simple story like this deserves more.
My fingers are crossed for this reverse marketing ploy (that could possibly mean WW is also disingenuous). At least, there's still Justice League War and Justice League Dark for me to go back to.

 

[Drseuss]

Sony logically sees that movies like Guardians are tracking close to a billion and rightfully ask for that especially considering it's Spider-man. A dr strange movie grossed close to 700 so Spider-man doing 750 is NOt what Sony wants.

Anyway this discussion is pointless. It won't gross 750. it will gross more and if it's good way more. There is a reason they are putting Stark in the trailer. "This isn't like the other Spider-man movies, he is part of something bigger now". let Harry and other narrow-minded people complain as much as they want. This is the right play.

Yup letting your competitor control your only franchise is an act of suicide.

If it underperformed its over for Sony....definitely worsen the prospect for venom spinoff and Miles Morales anime

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Logan:
(My rating prediction - 9.0/10)
(Rotten tomato prediction - 89% fresh)
(Worldwide box office - $600 million)
Can't say much considering how close the movie is. But I will say I highly doubt this is the last time we see Hugh Jackman in the role. Ryan Reynolds will only have to ask him nicely if he wanted to see Hugh in a teamup film.

Guardians vol. 2:
(My rating prediction - 9.0/10)
(Rotten tomato prediction - 92% fresh)
(Worldwide box office - $1.2 billion)
I predict it will live up to the expectations set by the first. I'm banking on a serious cameo from the other films. Be that Stark, Hulk, Thor or another Asgardian. Guessing the after credits will tease Thor or Spider-man. Really hard to say because both films have already been teased (by Doctor Strange and Civil War respectively). Actually maybe it'll just be Infinity War.

Not bad guesswork going into GotGv2. Cmon big money BABY GROOT!

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I am really surprised at how low Guardians is going on the Tomato meter. 82% right now. O_O

Am I the only one who liked it more than the first?

 

[GeckoMoria]

That's not low at all. How many times are we going to repeat that sequels to cbms that are over 90% on Rt always end on the 80s in the percentage score? It's the norm. It has over 7 average score just like the first one. It's ot a big deal.

 

[Flint Marko]

GUARDIANS: I'm going to say what I said before Age of Ultron came out: prepare yourselves, because this won't be the instant classic that the first one was.

Box office: $850 million

Critical reception: 80%

I think Vol. 2 will wind up closer to 900 million but other than that, solid prediction on my part.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think Vol. 2 will wind up closer to 900 million but other than that, solid prediction on my part.

You may have undersold it a bit since a lot of people consider near the quality if not exceeding the first.

I certainly think it was more successful than Age of Ultron, the film you compared it to.

 

[Stlogsy]

Lego Batman movie? That's not a real movie, just a giant product placement!

 

[Juan1193]

Lol this thread is fun!! Too bad I discovered it so late Although its amazing to see how wrong everyone was about Wonder Woman!! Also interesting to see how everyone overeatimated GotG2. I'll predict the remaining films

SPIDER-MAN:HC
RT: 70%
BO: 800 million WW

JUSTICE LEAGUE
RT: 55%
BO: 920 million WW

THOR 3
RT: 75%
BO: 710 million WW

 

[OutOfBoose]

So about these films...

1) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
RT: 85-90% fresh, 7.7/10
BO: over a billion WW
I think it will be more or less equal in quality to the first one.

Oh well. I was too optimistic.

2) Wonder Woman
RT: 70-80% fresh, 6.8/10
BO: ~500 WW
The best critical reception of all DCEU films up to that point. It will be similar to average MCU entries at best. Gadot will get a lot of crap for her acting.

Happy to be wrong on this one. Especially in case of Gadot. She did much better than I expected and didn't take away from the film.

 

[Batmannerism]

Okay, now I'll take those odds.....with a few provisos.

1) I agree that Ragnarok will probably end up the best Thor movie, but even an actress of Cate's quality does not guarantee a great villain ( Kingdom of the Crystal Skull anyone ? ). Also, while Hemsworth is a solid and likeable Thor, Loki will steal the show although even he will get upstaged by the Cumberbatch effect.

I can't see it being better than GOTG 2, which has a much better first film to build on. I mean, "We are Groot " is a regconizable pop culture phrase, anyone remember anything anybody said in either Thor film ? Probably not.


2) Kingsman will be interesting, as Matthew Vaughn generally doesn't do sequels, will he strike gold a second time? I'm betting, yes, but the glut of other cbms will make it tough to shine ( Kingsman came out well before GOTG in 2014, but Golden Circle comes out in September, and a lot of cbms will go before it to take the steam out of the market)

3) Will Logan live up to the hype, I hope so, very few cbms have.

4) I totally agree with the above predictions for WW and JL. I still don't think GG has the charisma to make WW an engaging character. Sure she's badass, but WW needs to be more than that to carry the film.

JL ? Well, if Snyder learns from B v S it could be a good movie. Not a great movie, because I don't think Zach has got a great movie in him. Man of Steel split fans and critics down the middle almost 50/50, people seemed to either love it or hate it. I loved it, but can see why the other half hated it - I think that's as close as Snyder's going to get to greatness (yes, Watchmen had better reviews, but wasn't as ballsy as MoS, because all Snyder did was stick to the original story reasonably faithfully, I mean it's tough to go totally wrong when you're following arguably the greatest comic book story of all time).
Anyway, if JL a decent movie, scores over 70% on RT and makes more than 600 mill, I'll consider it a huge success.

If he's well written and given some good comic relief lines (think, Drax the Destroyer) Aquaman could be the breakout character. Hope Batfleck doesn't kill too many people in this one (Parademons don't count).



5) Agree on Spider Man:Homecoming.
After Civil War I have to say that Tom Holland really captures Peter Parker the way I imagined him as both the lovable nerd and the webslinging wise-ass hero. With Keaton and Tomei on good form, plus RDJ in the mix, this really could be the best Spider Man film, period ! If so, 900 mil may not be unrealistic.

6) GOTG 2: Could it be better than the first ? After Age of Ultron was good but fell short of greatness, I'm sketpical. But the base of loveable characters is certainly there. The key is the story. In GOTG the story is incredibly simple.....get the orb. If GOTG 2 keeps it simple and builds on the characters its going to be a winner, because its characters that carry cbms, not the plot
What's the plot of Deadpool ? Not all that complicated, but Reynolds performance carries the whole thing.

If GOTG 2 is actually superior to the original, then a billion doesn't sound wrong at all.


Cheers.

Okay time to update

Well, with regards to Ragnarok, the trailer seems to indicate that I will be wrong !

In terms of Logan, it exceeded all hype - I loved it, but found it a bit too bleak to see more than once.

GOTG 2, while not as big a critical hit exceeded all my expectations and I feel like it's actually a better film - more emotional anyway, that last shot of Rocket crying.....really gets me.

Wonder Woman - I was totally wrong, GG was the best thing about it, I found a lot of Pine's dialogue clunky and the villains and supporting characters pretty 2D - However, Gal Gadot really carried the film, she's not quite on the level of Christopher Reeve's Superman, but she really brings a lot of charm, presence, sweetness and badassery to the role - an amazing and bizarre combination, but it works.

Roll on Homecoming, Ragnarok and Justice League. Cheers !