A much needed intervention for McG

it is funny most people are calling TS a film with no heart/soul/emotion/ lol but lots of explosions

also let me ask you this do you think TS is better than X2?
 
Of course...I would think that'd be obvious at this point...and I don't judge films by what "most people are saying," I judge them by what's onscreen.
 
I liked X2 more because I did think that Salvation lacked characterzations.
 
And X2 had them...?

Stryker, Xavier and Magneto were good.
Pyro was pretty good, although he was just a minor character in the source material anyways, so getting him right doesn't make up for screwing up the major characters.
Nightcrawler was decent.

The rest were vapid as hell.

I'd take Marcus over Wolverine (who was never very deep in the films despite the bulk of the screen time being devoted to him), Cyclops, Jean, and Storm...as I said, you can't tell one apart from the next as far as their personalities, since they don't really have any; and those were three of the most important characters.
I also liked Blair quite a bit.
 
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And X2 had them...?

Stryker, Xavier and Magneto were good.
Pryo was pretty good, although he was just a minor character in the source material anyways, so getting him right doesn't make up for screwing up the major characters.
Nightcrawler was decent.

The rest were vapid as hell.

I'd take Marcus over Wolverine (who was never very deep in the films despite the bulk of the screen time being devoted to him), Cyclops, Jean, and Storm...as I said, you can't tell one apart from the next as far as their personalities, since they don't really have anyway; and those were three of the most important characters.
I also liked Blair quite a bit.

Pryo? I think that's my favorite typo ever. :hehe: :applaud
 
And X2 had them...?

Stryker, Xavier and Magneto were good.
Pryo was pretty good, although he was just a minor character in the source material anyways, so getting him right doesn't make up for screwing up the major characters.
Nightcrawler was decent.

The rest were vapid as hell.

I'd take Marcus over Wolverine (who was never very deep in the films despite the bulk of the screen time being devoted to him), Cyclops, Jean, and Storm...as I said, you can't tell one apart from the next as far as their personalities, since they don't really have anyway; and those were three of the most important characters.
I also liked Blair quite a bit.
Please don't make me defend a franchise that i'm not even fond of!

How about this, I cared about Wolverine, NightCrawler and Jean. In Salvation I kinda cared about Kyle Reese and almost cared about Marcus.
 
Can you tell me how Jean was characterized?

I'm not jabbing at anyone that likes the films, I'm genuinally interested in what I was missing out on.

I can understand caring for Nightcrawler...and Wolverine really didn't progress as a character at all in Singer's films. He's exactly the same guy at the end of X2 he was at the beginning of X1. He carries on like a cliche'd "bad-ass" and beats up regular people, then gets the **** knocked out of him against every mutant he fights...he reminds me of a full grown man beating up school children, then getting knocked out everytime he fights an adult, and still saying "look at me, I'm freakin' bad-ass!*_*"

I didn't care for the Wolverine film all that much, but it nailed Sabretooth, and came closer to capturing the essence of Wolverine than Singer ever did.
 
McG hardly deserves as much flack as he is getting for this film. Hell, give some blame to the writers and producers, too.
 
I wouldn't really blame any of them, I'd just replace the blame with credit.
 
okay, is there any reason that we need another complaint thread that cannot stay in the parameters of the existing Terminator Salvation review threads?

BTW- the guy is already a known producer director in Hollywood. The only people who need the intervention are the poor souls that feel slighted by this guy in any way, shape or form. Get over yourselves...
 
Perhaps I'm being petty, and I'll be the first to admit it, but I'll never be able to take a director seriously that goes by the name McG. It just isn't going to happen.
 
lets look at Jean Grey in the films she was fighting with herself and her true power was trying to not let it consume her. She was trying to control her mind aswell as the love triangle she was tangled in.Trying to control the phoenix that was within her but couldn't was ultimately killed by a man who truly loved her(personally owuld of had Scott do it but that's another story)

much deeper stuff than Marcus
 
Perhaps I'm being petty, and I'll be the first to admit it, but I'll never be able to take a director seriously that goes by the name McG. It just isn't going to happen.

I couldn't help but snicker when "a McG film" came up during the opening credits of T4. :hehe:
 
"lets look at Jean Grey in the films she was fighting with herself and her true power was trying to not let it consume her. She was trying to control her mind aswell as the love triangle she was tangled in.Trying to control the phoenix that was within her but couldn't was ultimately killed by a man who truly loved her(personally owuld of had Scott do it but that's another story)

much deeper stuff than Marcus."

Again, that's simply defining her by her powers, not her personality; and she was in a love triangle with a couple of other rather paper thin characters like herself.

Not much deeper than a man responsible for the death of his brother and two poliec officers donating his body to science to get a second chance where he leads a man to the person that's going to be his father, chooses to be an emotional human rather than a soulless machine, showing the triumph of the human spirit through his decision, and sacrificing himself to save the man that will end this war in favor of humanity...

much deeper stuff than a love triangle between the generic tough guy with claws, the chick that moves stuff, and the guy that blasts red stuff from his eyes that's in the movie for a total of about 5 minutes and doesn't do a damn thing.
 
McG is my homeboy. Lay off the hate sauce homies.
 
I think people are being a little unfair to McG. He did craft a pretty decent sci-fi action flick, and he didn't totally crap on the Terminator franchise. Salvation was a noble, though flawed attempt to revive the Terminator. The film was probably one script rewrite short of being really memorable, but it was a decent addition to the Terminator franchise overall.

That being said I think Singer v. McG goes to Singer. The first Charlie's Angels was dumb fun, a guilty pleasure, but the second one was deplorable.

Overall, Singer's X-films and Valkyrie were much better. Singer wasn't 100% true to the X-Men source material but what comic book film is? I think he captured the spirit of the X-Men pretty well. He got Magneto and Xavier, and those two are the tent poles of the X-Men saga. He also did a good job setting up the rivalry between Wolverine and Cyclops. The attraction between Logan and Jean was well done. In the first film particularly, he also created an interesting relationship between Logan and Rogue that made Logan more than just a bad-ass cliche.

However, Singer didn't seem to have an appreciation of the Storm character and she was really underdeveloped. So was his Sabretooth. I liked his take on Mystique though. She still was something of a lethal, taunting temptress.

Now, Superman Returns was worse than Terminator Salvation. In that one, Singer had too much of a slavish devotion to the Donner films, not necessarily to the Superman character.

Whereas with the X-Men, I think it was easier for Singer to get the idea of a group of social outcast, he didn't quite know what to do with a character universally loved like Superman. He tried to update him by making him a quasi-religious figure and that didn't work. His slavish devotion to the Donner films prevented him from truly updating the film and doing much fresh with it outside of his decision to give Superman a son.

Also, the casting for that film was flat to poor. Routh was decent, but made to channel Reeve and that didn't work. Strange that Routh was channeling Reeve but Singer didn't have Bosworth doing the same with Kidder. Bosworth was horrible in the role of Lois.

When Richard White is the most decent and heroic figure in a Superman film you've got a problem. The best casting was Kevin Spacey, but they shackled him to a 70's portrayal of Luthor that totally ignored the rebooted/modern interpretation that most fans were probably more familiar with through the Byrne comics, Lois and Clark, STAS, and Smallville. Singer tried to find a mix between the old and new and made some bad choices. Superman wasn't super enough in Returns. Really the only thing he should've kept from the Donner films was the John Williams theme.

I don't think McG needs an intervention. He did better with Salvation than I thought he would, however he still needs work to be a director that when I hear his name is attached to something I feel automatically good about it.
 
Love or Hate X-Men but if it wasn't for that movies huge popularity we wouldn't have had all the comics book green lights that we had, so shutty!

Also I am going to need to make a thread to clearly list how much full of fail this sad pathetic thread is filled with.:down:

*walks out*
 

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