A song of ice and fire = Jon Snow & Dany?

[Fist of Khonshu]

But they weren't. Dany was trying to get details about Missandei's sexual experience with Greyworm -that's what the embarrassed smiles were about.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

Omg why do dany and jon have to be linked romantically?? Like i defo see it going down that route. Why cant the writers just let them be like friends tho. They dont have to shove romance into it

 

[righthooksrus86]

I mainly liked it cuz they both looked hott in that scene lol

 

[Marvolo]

Omg why do dany and jon have to be linked romantically?? Like i defo see it going down that route. Why cant the writers just let them be like friends tho. They dont have to shove romance into it

Blame George. He hinted at this back in book 2.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Ship bias regardless, it is weird that the idea of a political marriage hasn't been brought up yet, given how she dumped Dario for that very reason.

I have a feeling that when she asked him to bend the knee in the cave, she subconsciously wanted him to bow and propose to her. When Jon says his people will never accept a southern rule, he goes "they will if their king does..." addressing him as king after that kinda implies it, too.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well the political marriage was brought up last season, and it makes no sense to bring it up now when she's declared war on the Iron Throne and is trying to secure her kingdom.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well the political marriage was brought up last season, and it makes no sense to bring it up now when she's declared war on the Iron Throne and is trying to secure her kingdom.

It was brought up last season because she was coming to Westeros this season. She even says with a war she's going to need to marry someone to make an alliance and that's the best way to do it.

 

[Marvolo]

At a time when she needs allies and when Jon needs allies and when shes trying to find an amicable way to get the North on her side it makes a lot of sense for her or Jon to propose a marriage.

Tho honestly I expect Davos or Tyrion to be the first to consider it. I think Jon's too shy to ask her. Dany probably would ask him, but I think the show will makes it a lighthearted moment by having Tyrion or Davos randomly propose the idea followed by Dany and Jon looking awkward.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

At a time when she needs allies and when Jon needs allies and when shes trying to find an amicable way to get the North on her side it makes a lot of sense for her or Jon to propose a marriage.

Tho honestly I expect Davos or Tyrion to be the first to consider it. I think Jon's too shy to ask her. Dany probably would ask him, but I think the show will makes it a lighthearted moment by having Tyrion or Davos randomly propose the idea followed by Dany and Jon looking awkward.

It will be awkward for them but for shippers it'll probably be pretty cute. Assuming something like this even happens.

Missandei could advise it too, I feel like she knows that Dany has the hots for Jon

 

[TheVileOne]

The season is halfway done, but she's just arrived in Westeros as well and recently started her campaign. Plus, she hasn't received any formal marriage proposals yet either.

Jon Snow might be "king of the north" but he's still known to Westeros as a bastard as well. Daenerys is still a person of high birth. So it's probably less prudent to form a political marriage to Jon Snow anyway.

So realistically, the political marriage discussion just hasn't come up. Jon doesn't seem like the best marriage candidate on paper either. I get that everyone is shipping this pairing, but I highly doubt the story ends with them living happily ever after in wedded bliss. Game of Thrones is not that type of show.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The season is halfway done, but she's just arrived in Westeros as well and recently started her campaign. Plus, she hasn't received any formal marriage proposals yet either.

Jon Snow might be "king of the north" but he's still known to Westeros as a bastard as well. Daenerys is still a person of high birth. So it's probably less prudent to form a political marriage to Jon Snow anyway.

So realistically, the political marriage discussion just hasn't come up. Jon doesn't seem like the best marriage candidate on paper either. I get that everyone is shipping this pairing, but I highly doubt the story ends with them living happily ever after in wedded bliss. Game of Thrones is not that type of show.

Well I never said anything about them living happily ever after, that's a whole different discussion in and of itself.

Right now, Dany's at war. The North is the biggest province and it doesn't matter than Jon is a bastard because the Northerners don't care seeing as how they named him King. I think being King outweighs the fact that you are a bastard.

Jon isn't bending the knee and with the loss of her allies Dany will probably want to solidify things with him more. Which is why I'm thinking Dany already wanted marriage and hinted at it in the cave but didn't say it outright.

 

[DACrowe]

I was there when the colonel injured his jaw at the battle of the big beaver

A true tragedy. But don't believe everything you hear about ol' Colonel Angus. Colonel Angus might be rough. Colonel Angus might not smell like a bed of roses. But deep down, Colonel Angus is very sweet.

 

[DACrowe]

I just feel it takes away from the awkwardness of Jaime and Cersie if Jon and Dany hook up. Clearly incest is looked down upon even in that society and now that Cersie is openly flaunting her relationship with Jaime, they should seem more at odds with everyone else. I get they are attracted now, because neither of them know. Once Jon knows he has too much of Ned and his honor in him to do something like that.

In medieval standards, it would probably not be considered "that bad." Like cousins.

But yes, it is gross and totally in keeping with Martin to make that a plot point.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well I never said anything about them living happily ever after, that's a whole different discussion in and of itself.

Right now, Dany's at war. The North is the biggest province and it doesn't matter than Jon is a bastard because the Northerners don't care seeing as how they named him King. I think being King outweighs the fact that you are a bastard.

Jon isn't bending the knee and with the loss of her allies Dany will probably want to solidify things with him more. Which is why I'm thinking Dany already wanted marriage and hinted at it in the cave but didn't say it outright.

Well, I didn't get that from the conversation at all. I acknowledge your arguments, but it still seems inadvisable that she'd enter into a political marriage with a bastard regardless.

 

[godisawesome]

In regards to a potential marriage alliance, 2 things, one in favor and one against:

Jon's not just representing the North; Littlefinger has declared the Vale for him as well (there's even some question of whether or not we saw Vale knights acclaiming Jon king as well). And when Robb was King in the North, he commanded the Riverlands as well, giving the North some pull there as well, provided they can wrest it away from the Lannisters. That alone would improve his prospects as a potential target for a marriage alliance, since he'd potentially bring in even more kingdoms. And it's not like the Targaryens would be out of place in endorsing a bastard as a great lord and potential king; that's how the Baratheon's got started, after all. Jon's got the land, the support, and the skills to be a good consort for Dany, if she so chooses.

But we also know the North, and the Vale, have very little patience for the Targaryens, and were already challenging Jon's judgement in going South. The Targaryens have Stark blood on their hands, and in the books they also have Royce blood on their hands (a Royce accompanied Brandon Stark to Kingslandong and didn't return), and it's hard to understate just how bad Aerys damaged his family's credibility; he kind of compares to Cersie in that regard. And it's important to remember that Jon isn't bowing before Dany, not because of his pride, but because he's been acclaimed king specifically to deal with the Long Night crisis. Politically, he doesn't have that much room to compromise.

Arguably, the best case scenario and move would be to have Jon and Dany agree to a quiet engagement to be implemented after the War for the Dawn. Maybe even write it down and have it witnessed by some individuals, so it can become a political weapon against Jon if he doesn't honor it.

 

[Marvolo]

Well, I didn't get that from the conversation at all. I acknowledge your arguments, but it still seems inadvisable that she'd enter into a political marriage with a bastard regardless.

Dany intends to take the Iron Throne. As Queen she would be able to remove his bastard name and declare him a Stark. Stannis told Jon that was possible when he offered Jon Winterfell. Even if Dany doesnt know that its possible, Tyrion or Varys would know its possible.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Whether Jon and Dany actually marrying in the end, or wanting to, is a different matter. I'm not endorsing any of it.

But it seems like the suggestion of it is something that should have come up. It isn't a perfect solution, and perhaps one or both parties would find it unsavory and reject it, but it is something that their respective advisors would think up and suggest.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dany intends to take the Iron Throne. As Queen she would be able to remove his bastard name and declare him a Stark. Stannis told Jon that was possible when he offered Jon Winterfell. Even if Dany doesnt know that its possible, Tyrion or Varys would know its possible.

Even if that's the case, it still doesn't make Jon the first and most ideal choice. Also, no formal marriage proposal or offer either. He wasn't there to make a proposal of a political marriage.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He's king of over half of Westeros, that makes him far more ideal than pretty much any other candidate living.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yes marriage is a possibility. But if they find out he is rheagars son then danny by her own words should bow to him.
He is ice and fire. A stark/targ.

 

[DACrowe]

Whether Jon and Dany actually marrying in the end, or wanting to, is a different matter. I'm not endorsing any of it.

But it seems like the suggestion of it is something that should have come up. It isn't a perfect solution, and perhaps one or both parties would find it unsavory and reject it, but it is something that their respective advisors would think up and suggest.

Agreed. They will definitely, ahem, sing a song of ice and fire. But I highly doubt it ends with them married and living happily ever after. That just does not fit this story very well to me.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well, I didn't get that from the conversation at all. I acknowledge your arguments, but it still seems inadvisable that she'd enter into a political marriage with a bastard regardless.

Well...I said it was supposed to be an implication, not a direct statement. If you listen to what she says, how she says it then maybe you could make it out. Maybe not.

And again, I don't think Dany cares that Jon is a bastard because regardless of his bastard status he's the most powerful person from the North, being the King of it.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Even if that's the case, it still doesn't make Jon the first and most ideal choice. Also, no formal marriage proposal or offer either. He wasn't there to make a proposal of a political marriage.

Okay what other choices are there? Let's consider the political map of the Seven Kingdoms:

The Iron Islands, Crownlands, Westerlands, and Stormlands are under enemy control.

The Riverlands are leaderless, Dorne is leaderless, the Tyrells in the Reach are gone and the Tarlys are enemies --not that Dany needs a political marriage to secure this region since its now invested by her Dothraki horde.

That leaves King Jon's vast North (perhaps 40% of the land mass of Westeros) and the Vale of Arryn where Dany could also marry:

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[Loki882]

It'd be interesting to see what Sansa, Arya, and the Northern lords would think of a Jon/Dany hookup/marriage. Especially since all of them (well we don't know Arya's thoughts on it right yet) already don't trust Dany anyway.

Especially if the truth about Jon's heritage becomes public as well.

 

[DACrowe]

It'd be interesting to see what Sansa, Arya, and the Northern lords would think of a Jon/Dany hookup/marriage. Especially since all of them (well we don't know Arya's thoughts on it right yet) already don't trust Dany anyway.

Especially if the truth about Jon's heritage becomes public as well.

I imagine it might make things easier if they know he is half-Targaryen. I don't expect most of the Northern lords want the King in the North to be part-dragon. They'd want a Stark. So if he marries Dany and goes to King's Landing, Sansa could finally rule in Winterfell as Queen. I am not saying this is what will happen, but I could see it playing out like that.