BvS Affleck or Eisenberg: If you had to choose, which would you recast?

[SuperFerret]

Stepping outside of that for 2 seconds:
What do you think this casting means for the quality of the film when it falls about the grand and general audience?

Again I ask, the question that way cause it's been proven time again what's actually more important. Quality vs Purism.

Don't care.

 

[Marvin]

Don't care.

Well said.
Perhaps the same could be said of all fan detraction.

 

[Tra-El]

I'm thrilled the fans aren't in charge of casting movies.

If they were, then god have mercy on all our souls! We'd never have the classics we'd have today. Just a bunch of crazy wannabe actors with overly sculpted features with a tall but wide frame of steroided ugly mass that wouldn't look right in any fabric with their sexy counterpart of a woman sidekick that would be cast by porn-stars and chicks with brainless breasts popping out of their outfit only because they look exactly like they did in a 50's comicbook!

Thank gawd.

 

[SuperFerret]

Well said.
Perhaps the same could be said of all fan detraction.

If people like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't. Big whoop.

 

[MrsKent26]

If they were, then god have mercy on all our souls! We'd never have the classics we'd have today. Just a bunch of crazy wannabe actors with overly sculpted features with a tall but wide frame of steroided ugly mass that wouldn't look right in any fabric with their sexy counterpart of a woman sidekick that would be cast by porn-stars and chicks with brainless breasts popping out of their outfit only because they look exactly like they did in a 50's comicbook!

Thank gawd.

All the characters would be played by Amber Heard and Scott Adkins.

 

[Tra-El]

Billy Zane would be cast as EVERY supervillain ever created...

"..but, but, did you see him in TITANIC! T-I-T-A-N-I-C! Tee Eye Tee Aye En Eye See!"

 

[MrBlackJack]

Or it's like choosing a guy who looks like he could be the definitive Batman or the guy who could be the biggest miscasting in the history of CBMs....just a thought. Could go either way with this really. Snyder isn't Nolan.

That's true as well.

 

[Shikamaru]

Where in any of this do you get the idea that batman needs to be older in order to posses the intellect to be on par with anyone in the JL? It's possible he needs to be older in order to fit various other purposes of the story(such as the added contrast of an old weary hero vs a new fresh hero, adding to the contrast of the two...optimism/pessimism), it's your own premise that his age is there to meet this intellect stipulation.

Granted I'd simply be happy to finally see an intellectual batman. I myself grow weary of fan's(including blogger/vlogger pundits) hating on a film for crimes they themselves are accusing it of committing.

I said the idea suggests and implies it. Plus, it is the defense a lot of people here have used for the past few months. Funny how no one uses that same argument for Lex being the same age.

Plus theoretically speaking, Batman will presumably be on par with Superman and the JL. That's how this premise implies that. If a decade-older veteran Batman is "on par" with the Year One versions of Superman/Flash/GL/WW (that is technically where we are at the moment in terms of those other characters), what does that say about this universe's Year One Batman? That's my point. I'm not really fond of that idea.

I want to highlight this specifically:

It's possible he needs to be older in order to fit various other purposes of the story(such as the added contrast of an old weary hero vs a new fresh hero, adding to the contrast of the two...optimism/pessimism)

I already addressed that in my last post. I'm not fond of going that direction. I find it incredibly cliche and redundant. The whole "older wiser man who is cynical vs. young optimistic man" route has been done to death in so many piece of fiction throughout the years. The Batman/Superman dynamic is essentially all about optimism vs. pessimism, but bringing age into it just makes it more cliche, in my honest opinion, for the reason I just stated. I think it would be more interesting if these are two similar men at the same point in life that just happen to have these contrasting views on the world. That's just my opinion, of course, but that goes without saying.

And finally...

Well said.
Perhaps the same could be said of all fan detraction.

No, it can't. Things are not that black-and-white. Things are not as simple as just "quality vs. purism". Some people may like a departure from the source material in some cases, but not in other ones. There is no logical reason that says a person has to always or never accept change. Heck, superheroes wouldn't be who they are today if it wasn't for change/departures in the first place.

You like the direction they're going in, I don't. As SuperFerret said, big whoop.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Neither

 

[green]

Neither, Ill trust Snyder and the casting dept until I see for myself.

 

[Marvin]

I said the idea suggests and implies it. Plus, it is the defense a lot of people here have used for the past few months. Funny how no one uses that same argument for Lex being the same age.
Plus theoretically speaking, Batman will presumably be on par with Superman and the JL. That's how this premise implies that. If a decade-older veteran Batman is "on par" with the Year One versions of Superman/Flash/GL/WW (that is technically where we are at the moment in terms of those other characters), what does that say about this universe's Year One Batman? That's my point. I'm not really fond of that idea.

I want to highlight this specifically:

That is an issue you have with the line of thinking of these people you speak of, not the producers of this film. Like I said, getting panties in a bunch over what things imply to you then spreading detraction really does a disservice to the creators(who are innocent to proven guilty). When the film comes out and says when batman was 33 he was an idiot that couldn't hang, have at it. Till then you are criticizing an implication with really no grounds.

Here's an implication for you, batman was 3x better in his prime and he most certainly isn't in his prime any longer, not physically anyways. That's what the film is implying to me, personally. Unlike the rest of the heroes batman is a man and becomes less effective when you start adding decades to his job.

Furthermore, sometimes 'cliches' help tell stories. It's something all those pixar story writers(see incredibles) are lauded for time and again. Such things infuse stories.

It worked wonders for the friendship in shawshank, especially when it came to the theme of hope(without anyone crying cliche) and it might just work here. What's more, from xmen first class, to star trek to naruto to even batman/superman source material, we've seen them do this one way alot. A new take comes with it's own benefits.
Batman and Superman meeting during their 'year one' stints is a cliche. Perhaps it's time for change.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I like both castings now, and initially hated both. But if it were up to me, Cranston would be Lex and Jon Hamm would be Batman

 

[Marvin]

And finally...

No, it can't. Things are not that black-and-white. Things are not as simple as just "quality vs. purism". Some people may like a departure from the source material in some cases, but not in other ones. There is no logical reason that says a person has to always or never accept change. Heck, superheroes wouldn't be who they are today if it wasn't for change/departures in the first place.

You like the direction they're going in, I don't. As SuperFerret said, big whoop.

I never said I liked the direction. I said 'I'm keeping an open mind' and I'm doing so for one very specific reason; because we've been here before, time and again.

You're entitled to like or hate what ya'll want, but fanboys hating something at the outset because it looks to represent a change in characterization mythology is proven to be what many fans almost always do and isn't always accurate to the quality of the outcome is the norm around here. Thus I take the detraction for what it is. People aren't sharing what their thoughts are as they pertain to what the quality might be, just how this decision reflects what they want. That's great, but it's also useless imo.

It gives me a special perspective when I read a fan poll that says "do you think this actor is a good choice".

It's as you said "superheroes wouldn't be who they are today if it wasn't for change/departures in the first place." They'll cast an asian Sherlock one day and fans will cry and huff and puff. Big whoop is precisely right. Ironically, fans seem to lack perspective on such matters.

 

[Frodo]

From what i've seen fanboys on both sides of these type of issues usually get over the top with someone who doesn't agree with them. Its the nature of fandom to be at extremes either way. In the end this is just a movie and if you really don't like to hear fan reaction that goes against what you think , don't read the comments or listen to what other fans have to say.

Me personally, I don't mind this thread or any other thread ,because If I don't like that it exists , I don't have to go on it. The internet is big enough that I can find somewhere where some one agrees with me, but that's not that interesting for me, because I like to hear different perspectives even if I think its over the top or unfair.

You're never going to convince everyone anyway, so aside from putting your perspective out , all you can really do is hopefully engage in civil discussion and debate. The only problem I usually have is when threads start turning into flame sessions and insults are thrown around just because people disagree.

 

[The Sage]

Lexenberg:

And since they're going with a younger, slim Lex, I'm wondering if this will be close to how he'll look once the hair is gone.

Also, if you're going to use photo comparisons, don't you think you should use images from the comics instead of another adaptation?

Not even Christian Bale looked like the Animated Series Bruce Wayne, and so on and so forth.

Though I think Affleck gives off a Bruce Wayne vibe here:

Batfleck:

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm all for changes and departures, but I feel that the movies should be more of a distilled version of the source material, and less their own separate thing.

 

[Kevin Smith]

And since they're going with a younger, slim Lex, I'm wondering if this will be close to how he'll look once the hair is gone.

Assuming they'll even shave his head. Either way Eisenberg looks nothing like any Lex from any medium...lol. So it doesn't really matter what pic from which medium you use.

Also, if you're going to use photo comparisons, don't you think you should use images from the comics instead of another adaptation?

Not even Christian Bale looked like the Animated Series Bruce Wayne, and so on and so forth.

No one cast looks identical to their animated counterparts, I just like the art style, consider it consistent and fluent, and consider the animated versions to be the definitive takes on those characters for the most part, as they embody all that we (or I at least) like about them from the comics and films.

 

[The Sage]

No one cast looks identical to their animated counterparts, I just like the art style, consider it consistent and fluent, and consider the animated versions to be the definitive takes on those characters for the most part, as they embody all that we (or I at least) like about them from the comics and films.

Understandable. Though I disagree with the Animated Series having the definitive takes on the characters, especially Lex despite how much I liked it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm surprised the mods would let this thread happen.

We have our Batman and Lex Luthor.

Get over it.

No one's "petitioning" to change anything, it's just to gauge which casting people liked better of the two controversial choices, and hypothetically, if people could and wanted to, who would they change of the two if it were up to them. Nothing wrong with this. If you don't like it you don't have to participate.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm thrilled the fans aren't in charge of casting movies.

I wish they were. The last time some talented "fans" were in charge of something we got Batman: The Animated Series.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Understandable. Though I disagree with the Animated Series having the definitive takes on the characters, especially Lex despite how much I liked it.

Guess you don't see in them what I see in them then.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm all for changes and departures, but I feel that the movies should be more of a distilled version of the source material, and less their own separate thing.

Exactly. Unless it's an improvement, a change that makes things that weren't that great to begin with better or enhances something, they should remain as they are, as close as possible to the source material. In other words, unless there's a better idea, keep your **** to yourself and leave the characters alone.

 

[SuperFerret]

Improvement is in the eye of the beholder. Adapting things more or less straight from the source (in any adaption) is what I prefer.

 

[Kevin Smith]

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[Knightstalker]

Neither, but then again, I'm not arrogant enough to assume I know better than the people that are actually making this movie.