all those "remastered" titles rendered useless for upgraders..

[Superhero 101]

Were people being cheated when old movies were released on VHS? And then again on DVD? And then on Blu-ray?

I don't think so. I welcome old games being re-released on as many platforms as possible so the legacy of these classic games can carry on for new people and won't be forgotten.

 

[Thundercrack85]

No. Successful movies recoup their budget on the big screen.

Movies have four sources of revenue. Theaters, television, physical release, and streaming. They're all priced differently.

I don't know if it's still the case, but movie companies actually made the most money from licensing movies in the late 90's and early 2000's, since unlike DVDs, they didn't lose any money on advertising or providing a physical copy of the product.

I imagine if you combine streaming with television that those would be the biggest revenues.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No. Successful movies recoup their budget on the big screen.

Movies have four sources of revenue. Theaters, television, physical release, and streaming. They're all priced differently.

I don't know if it's still the case, but movie companies actually made the most money from licensing movies in the late 90's and early 2000's, since unlike DVDs, they didn't lose any money on advertising or providing a physical copy of the product.

I imagine if you combine streaming with television that those would be the biggest revenues.

Ah, I see what you mean. That's true, there's really only one real revenue stream for games. Well, there is streaming, but it's its infancy so I doubt much is coming from it as of now.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't find PS Now unreasonable. I really should try it at some point.

My only issue is that a lot of the games I enjoyed on the PS2 for example will probably never be added. But local emulation for PS2 is a pipe dream.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

um, I think you missed the point bro guy. If tekken tag hd for ps3 is the exact same product as a supposed tekken tag hd for ps4 and I need it just to play tekken tag hd on my ps4, I'm gonna feel cheated by the system if I have to get it at the same full price. Certain games offer discounts and even cross guys for titles rebought, but most of them do not, as they are treated as the same product

No I understand the point. You want something that someone else worked on without having to pay for it. You aren't entitled to that game. Period. Just because you "bought the previous version" does not mean you deserve to be given the remaster for free. Remasters take time, money and effort to produce. Now it may be less time, money and effort, which is prob why we do see a lot of these remasters for reduced prices, but the point is still valid. Someone had to create that remaster. They don't copy and past the code. Its not that simple.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No I understand the point. You want something that someone else worked on without having to pay for it. You aren't entitled to that game. Period. Just because you "bought the previous version" does not mean you deserve to be given the remaster for free. Remasters take time, money and effort to produce. Now it may be less time, money and effort, which is prob why we do see a lot of these remasters for reduced prices, but the point is still valid. Someone had to create that remaster. They don't copy and past the code. Its not that simple.

oh you missed the point alright, and you're putting words in my mouth. but i'll break it down even further.

when tekken tag hd was first announced, I did not feel like it was a ripoff for having to pay for it because aside from the fact that it included a movie and a demo, it was not the same as tekken tag, it was an hd remaster. so it was a new product. so what I am saying is that if hypothetically tekken tag hd is rereleased for the Ps4 and it is the exact same product and i have to pay full price to have it again, then i'd feel like it is unfair. now if it included new features, like, for instance, an online mode, then i'd happily and unconditionally pay to have it again.

but if it is simply tekken tag hd for Ps4, then bandai namco didn't take any time or effort into its production. it is the same exact product as tekken tag hd for Ps3, on a blu ray disc encoded for a Ps4 instead of a Ps3. it would literally be me paying for the same thing twice. it's not a previous/new version, it is the same damn thing. it was different when going from tekken tag to tekken tag hd though that's for sure, and paying for that again is fair game.

if what you're saying is true, companies like mojang or even sony wouldn't offer discounts or crossbuys when buying the same title on a different platform of the same brand.

XB, he's talking about your avatar.

I know, but he was describing what the cat in my avy is doing while still referring that only "person" so I was asking if he was saying i'm supposed to be the cat licking the viewer.

and I see your point, XB. but I don't see anything wrong with it. If you really want to play the remaster on your PS4, then you have to buy it, especially if you don't own a PS3 anymore.

it would be nice if they offered some kind of discount if your owned the PS3 remaster version, but that's not something I expect. No one is forcing you to buy the remaster again. that is your choice.

If you don't want to pay full price again, wait for the remaster to go on sale.

just curious, XB, do you still own a PS3?

I still have my Ps3, x. I still have almost all the video game platforms I once played extensively. but at some point down the road, i'm not going to be turning it on to play games on it anymore, I pretty much already have.

and that's the thing, I don't want to have to pay for the same remaster again, but if it releases and paying full price is the only way to get it, I will. I don't have to spend the money on it but I want it, so I will. lemme ask this then, when a psone classic is bought from the pstore to play on Ps3, did it have to be bought again to be played on the Ps3? or did the purchaser have to pay for it only once?

I think the ultimate root of the problem when it comes to this is that people are disappointed with the lack of BC with the PS4/Xbone. Therefore, if they want to replay their PS3 and 360 games, the only options they have to either keep their PS3 and 360 to play them (and keep them plugged in) or rebuy them again on PS4 or Xbone. And honestly, I get that, I think YMMV on how big of a deal that is at the end of the day.

Personally, I have no issue with remasters, at least the principle of it and all, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't one disappointed that neither the PS4 or Xbone had any BC.

eh, not exactly. it does suck that the Ps4 has no BC at all. I would hope that it could play Ps2 games or at the very least Ps1 games. Even when the Ps3 axed Ps2 BC, all the models still retained Ps1 playability. But anyways, I think what I'm asking for is much more specific, and that's some sort of compensation for the repurchases of remastered games. and it depends on the remaster. for instance, tlou was already an hd game and its remaster was a much improved product, better textures, resolution, and fps. same with the ffsx re-remaster for Ps4. it looks like the visuals for the Ps4 remaster are even better than the remaster for the Ps3. however, if a gow collection for Ps4 is announced and released and the remasters are the same exact thing as what was on the Ps3, for that I think it would be unfair for someone who already owned it on Ps3 to have to pay for the product again fully to be able to play it on their Ps4.

 

[JaD]

XB, he's talking about your avatar.

I know, but he was describing what the cat in my avy is doing while still referring that only "person" so I was asking if he was saying i'm supposed to be the cat licking the viewer.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

 

[Victarion]

These titles, the Devil May Cry and Jak and Daxter ones, are the only new games I bought this past year.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

the next game i'm getting is ffsx remastered for Ps4. i've never ever played a ffs game before, so this is gonna be my first exposure to the franchise.

 

[X Knight]

the next game i'm getting is ffsx remastered for Ps4. i've never ever played a ffs game before, so this is gonna be my first exposure to the franchise.

Yuna!!

oh....sorry......

see, that's a good thing about these remasters. they give a chance for current gen owners to play games they might have missed before.

I'm glad I skipped the PS3 FFX remaster, though, cuz this would be an example of a remaster feeling redundant if you also bought the PS3 version.

I mean, is there any difference between the PS3 version and the PS4 version?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yuna!!

oh....sorry......

see, that's a good thing about these remasters. they give a chance for current gen owners to play games they might have missed before.

I'm glad I skipped the PS3 FFX remaster, though, cuz this would be an example of a remaster feeling redundant if you also bought the PS3 version.

I mean, is there any difference between the PS3 version and the PS4 version?

I agree, and yes, there apparently is a difference.

skip to 1:12

 

[X Knight]

ah, thanks.

but I meant, is there any difference in content between the 2?

does the PS4 version include any extra content, aside from a calender that's included with the Limited Edition?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

oh, I dunno about that man

edit: you can switch between the 2 soundtracks in the Ps4 version

 

[X Knight]

^ ah, ok.

something extra like that alone wouldn't be enough to get me to purchase the PS4 version again if I already had the PS3 one.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

word, man. i hear it is more expensive on the Ps4 than it was on Ps3/vita, too

 

[X Knight]

at least it's not the full $60 price.

 

[Tron Bonne]

The simple answer is no, there isn't any real difference between the PS4 version and the PS3 one. The former is basically just a port of the latter.

 

[X Knight]

^ thanks.

 

[Two-Face]

You could always buy it when it's half price.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

i don't really mind paying that price for it, I don't know what I'm for, so.

 

[X Knight]

You could always buy it when it's half price.

well, I'll get $10 off of FFX at Best Buy, so I'm going to get it there. $40 is a fair price for me.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

well, I'll get $10 off of FFX at Best Buy, so I'm going to get it there. $40 is a fair price for me.

Is that how much the Ps3 version was last year?

 

[Tron Bonne]

The PS3 and Vita version were both $50, I'm pretty sure.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

damn, I thought all vita retailed for $40 a the start