All US cars MPH to be limited to 80 as max speed

[jaguarr]

yeah, but even paying attention while speeding, you cant deny that your a safer driver and in more control of the car when going the speed limit.

I'm a safer driver and more in control of my car than nearly everyone else on the road, regardless of what speed I am going. And that's a fact.

jag

 

[Sun_Down]

yeah, but even paying attention while speeding, you cant deny that your a safer driver and in more control of the car when going the speed limit.

True, but the difference between a crash at 65 MPH and a crash at 80 MPH is practically nothing. You can easily die in a crash at 25 MPH, so should be make the national speed limit 10?

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

very true. but, whenver you get in a car and take to the road, theres a certain level of trust that you obviously have to have in the other drivers on the road. and i have a lot more trust for someone ability to drive safely at 70 mph than i do in their ability to drive safely at 120 mph.

and to everyone who sayd being hit at 100 mph is just as likely to kill you being hit at 70 mph, 2 things:

1. i think if we all had the choice, we'd much rather be hit at 70 than a 100. even if minimal, your chances of surivial/recorvery must be greater.

2. if the person wasnt driving at 100 mph, then maybe they wouldnt be hitting oyu in the first place. driving that fast greatly lessens your ability to control the car safely and appropriately.

Personally I would rather be hit by a car going 100 mph because the chance of survival is so slim at 70 that I would rather be killed almost instantly then have to maybe suffer for a few hours as paramedics try to resusitate me.

 

[Fenrir]

I speed all the bloody time above the designated limits, but in doing so I also take proper precautions - I tend to stay in my lane and overtake only according to traffic laws, I keep more than enough distance between the cars ahead and beside me to keep things in control lest anything go wrong, I use and pay attention to the proper signals, I always pay attention to not only the car directly in front of me; but also to at least two cars further ahead, I have a twitchy brake foot (meaning my reaction to a brake light is almost instantaneous), side and rear-view mirrors are my best friends...and so on.

And that is why I may have had a couple of close calls (generally the fault of other drivers) but no real accidents.

 

[Duende Verde]

 

[Kritish]

Germans are some of the best drivers in the world and they have the god damn autobahn. It isn't how fast you're going is that matter of how good of a driver you are. We need to make it harder for all of these idiots to get their licenses.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

This would never work.

My friends are car fanatics and work on their cars all the time to just make them faster...

We'll go out on a deserted road or specially made road and ram the speed for the hell of it.

While it might help... it would make a new way to be come a criminal.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I'm a safer driver and more in control of my car than nearly everyone else on the road, regardless of what speed I am going. And that's a fact.

jag

thanks for playing. your consoloation prize is a yo-yo with flashing lights.

True, but the difference between a crash at 65 MPH and a crash at 80 MPH is practically nothing. You can easily die in a crash at 25 MPH, so should be make the national speed limit 10?

yes, but your missing what im saying: in regards to the average driver, said hyptohetical accident is less likely to happen if your going 65 as opposed to 80. and if theres no difference in the resulting accident, why not go the speed that is not only the legal speed, but also less likely to result in ANY accident. and i hope you know, when driving somewhere, the difference (time wise) of going 10mph over the limit is like only 3 minutes. i find it hard to believe you'd ever find yourself in a situation where 3 minutes is worth putting your car, your life, and others lives in greater risk of danger than necessary. 65 on the expressway is a functional speed that the average driver can safely handle their car, and react to situations around them.

Personally I would rather be hit by a car going 100 mph because the chance of survival is so slim at 70 that I would rather be killed almost instantly then have to maybe suffer for a few hours as paramedics try to resusitate me.

yeah, see, thats all fine and dandy if you dont mind dying. but most people are a fan of this whole "living" fad.

 

[Kritish]

It isn't the speed limit that's an issue, it's the drivers in this damn country.

 

[Motown Marvel]

^^well, taking it from that perspective, if the problem is driver's arent responsible enough...but, wouldnt a responsible driver go 65 rather than 80, knowing its a safer speed?

by the way, for everyone who says its stupid, i've yet to see one excuse or reason why your car needs to travel faster than 80.

 

[Kritish]

^^well, taking it from that perspective, if the problem is driver's arent responsible enough...but, wouldnt a responsible driver go 65 rather than 80, knowing its a safer speed?

by the way, for everyone who says its stupid, i've yet to see one excuse or reason why your car needs to travel faster than 80.

Getting hit at 65 mph is going to kill you just as bad as getting hit at 80. At that speed there's no way that you're going to live.

 

[jaguarr]

^^well, taking it from that perspective, if the problem is driver's arent responsible enough...but, wouldnt a responsible driver go 65 rather than 80, knowing its a safer speed?

by the way, for everyone who says its stupid, i've yet to see one excuse or reason why your car needs to travel faster than 80.

You're missing the point, though. Putting governors on cars so that they can't exceed 80 MPH isn't going to save any lives because stupidity kills, not speed. People can just as easily die or kill someone in an auto accident at 30 MPH as they can 80 or 110. You might as well take away the ability for anyone to drive, ride a bike without training wheels, leave the house without an escort or take a bath unattended while you're at it. You'll never make everyone safe. You can't save stupid people from themselves, and sometimes you can't save other people from them, either. People don't pay attention to WTF they are doing while they are driving in this country, and THAT is the biggest reason (along with drunk driving) that they get into wrecks and cause accidents, not because they are speeding. And besides, there are enough gearheads in this country that they'll find ways to override or bypass limitations on cars. Absolutely no viable way to stop it from happening.

jag

 

[kytrigger]

I wanna know where you drive where you see a lot of people actually going 120 as a normal occurrence. Hell, on the highway, I probably only see most of the top speeders only doing 80 anyway. Every once in a while they do more, but not very often. There's just too much traffic to go any faster.

Another problem I see with this is that it would be done with a governor chip in all cars that are notoriously easy to be rid of. I gaurantee you if someone is willign to spend the money to buy a ferrari, they will definately be willign to spend an extra couple of hundred dollars to remove the chip. Also, since the vast majority of people don't get a new car every year you would have to make people take in their used car to get one installed either at a huge price to the government, or at a price to the consumer.

Not many people are going to go pay money for a chip that makes sure their 1985 Stanza that can hardly go 60 won't go above 80.

 

[Motown Marvel]

You're missing the point, though. Putting governors on cars so that they can't exceed 80 MPH isn't going to save any lives because stupidity kills, not speed. People can just as easily die or kill someone in an auto accident at 30 MPH as they can 80 or 110. You might as well take away the ability for anyone to drive, ride a bike without training wheels, leave the house without an escort or take a bath unattended while you're at it. You'll never make everyone safe. You can't save stupid people from themselves, and sometimes you can't save other people from them, either. People don't pay attention to WTF they are doing while they are driving in this country, and THAT is the biggest reason (along with drunk driving) that they get into wrecks and cause accidents, not because they are speeding. And besides, there are enough gearheads in this country that they'll find ways to override or bypass limitations on cars. Absolutely no viable way to stop it from happening.

jag

thats so ridiculous. sure, stupid drivers are a problem, as stupid people are a problem in life in general. and considering theres far less of a cure for stupid people than there is for traffic accidents, their stupidity needs to be taken into account, and speed limits need to be enacted and enforced considering as such. but the speed at which people (stupid or not) are driving plays a large factor in the severity of accidents, and more importantly, the liklihood of the accident happening in the first place. i mean, you're saying that smart drivers should be able to go 100 mph, and they wont get in accidents, and thats total bull. theres speed limits for a reason, and its not to keep you from getting to where you want to go.

and people CAN NOT just as easily die in a 30 mph accident as in a 80-100 mph accident. yes, its possible and does happen, but its FAR LESS likely to happen! try not to make moronic arguments when debating.

and its not trying to take away peoples right to drive. its merely having people drive at a functional speed to limit the number of accidents on the road. god forbid people try to enforce that.

and as for gear heads tweeking the cars: its simple, if your caught speeding due to the fact you re-engineered the car to go faster than intended to, there's a harsh fine and extra points on your license to go along with your speeding ticket. plus, the driver is mandated at his own expense to appropriately reverse the engineering within a certain period of time. if he doesnt...more fines and points. its not hard.

 

[jaguarr]

^^^^
x 1,000,000,000

You've either completely missed the point of everything I said or exaggerated it so far beyond belief that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

jag

 

[Kritish]

You're going to kill someone if you hit them or their car at 80 miles an hour. Besides most have goveners in them now, but you can take those out with no problem. Do you realize what would happen to all of these car models and companies if that law was enforced?

 

[jaguarr]

If I hit someone walking across the street going 30 mph, they're going to be just as dead as if I'd been going 100 mph.

jag

 

[X-Chick]

That'd be pretty stupid. For one, it would destroy certain car manufacturers.

 

[Kritish]

That'd be pretty stupid. For one, it would destroy certain car manufacturers.

I'm glad I'm not the only person that thought that. What would happen to Lamborghini or even Ford if this happened?

 

[X-Chick]

I'm glad I'm not the only person that thought that. What would happen to Lamborghini or even Ford if this happened?

Why buy the Mustang GT, Corvette, Jag or Viper if their max speeds are the same as a Taurus? They would still sell because of their looks and acceleration speeds, but not nearly as much. Not only could that hurt European economy because of car manufacturers like Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini but it could hurt trade between us and those countries and hurt our own economy because of the American muscle cars that are so prevalent right now.

 

[November Rain]

If I hit someone walking across the street going 30 mph, they're going to be just as dead as if I'd been going 100 mph.

jag

I don't want to burst your bubble here but a study performed and verified by the Ministry of Transport in the United Kingdom begs to differ this claim and actually has released some adverts based on this study.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvja-PA5Egc

I understand your point but the statment you've just made is entirely flawed and shouldn't be the grounds for your stance.

 

[Mr. Credible]

The problem I have with it, is that I don't see much a a difference whne it comes to a drunk driver hitting a family at 80 or 100mph. A ****load of damage is going to be done at the least, and everyone is most liekly still going to be killed.

The same is at 60mph too.

And this isn't even takign into account the number of people that work on their own cars all the time. They could easily find a way to get past that block.

The only thing that would really protect people from really doing a LOT of damage is if you made everyone go 25 mph all the time, and hell no to that idea, that would just make everyone angrier.


We don't need slower cars, we need more responsible drivers.

that's just terrible reasoning, sorry. "everyone is going to die whether they crash at 60 or 160, so let's just let them go 160."

false.

the point is not that "a lot" of damage is going to be done at both 60 and 120 mph, it's that much, much less will be done at 60, and that a car is infinitely more controlable at 60, with shorter braking distance, etc, etc...

and sure, people could find a way around that speed block chip (or whatever device would be implimented), that's why every car needs an onboard computer that will alert the police if it's tampered with, so that car can be immediately located, stopped and the driver have his license taken from him indefinately.

there is no upside to making cars that can go more than 75-80 miles an hour. it's nobody's "right" to go that fast, and there's no reason for street legal cars to be able to go that fast. on the other end, there is no downside to making cars that can't exceed 80 mph, because there is no good reason anyone should need to go that fast.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Getting hit at 65 mph is going to kill you just as bad as getting hit at 80. At that speed there's no way that you're going to live.

yeah, and going 65 as opposed to 80 gives you that much better of a reaction time, and will make it that much easier to slow your car and avoid an accident altogether.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Why buy the Mustang GT, Corvette, Jag or Viper if their max speeds are the same as a Taurus? They would still sell because of their looks and acceleration speeds, but not nearly as much. Not only could that hurt European economy because of car manufacturers like Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini but it could hurt trade between us and those countries and hurt our own economy because of the American muscle cars that are so prevalent right now.

hm... yeah... economy > safety and/or life... that makes sense.

 

[jaguarr]

I don't want to burst your bubble here but a study performed and verified by the Ministry of Transport in the United Kingdom begs to differ this claim and actually has released some adverts based on this study.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvja-PA5Egc

I understand your point but the statment you've just made is entirely flawed and shouldn't be the grounds for your stance.

Errr....it's not the only grounds for my stance, since you have not been paying attention. The grounds for my stance is that people not paying attention to what they are doing and multi-tasking while they are driving is the main reason there are so many wrecks, injuries and deaths involving automobiles. Cars don't kill people. People kill people. Regulating the speed on cars to 80 MPH isn't going to change that. At all.

jag