Alternate Endings: Discuss Here

[Kanon]

Next I'm sure someone will say the scene where the Joker escapes is a plothole because "how could the Joker put a bomb inside one of his henchmen." I have a very easy explanation for that and many of these other so-called plotholes in TDK.

That's ridiculous. It's so obvious that the Joker used his clairvoyance powers to predict he will need the bomb, so his whole plan of trying to kill Dent or Batman, but failing thanks to the batmobile having a super secret bike inside, going to jail, and managing to be left alone with just one guard on the inside of the room with him, could work.

Use your brains, people...

 

[chaseter]

So TDK had comparably worse writing than this movie?

 

[Kanon]

Or maybe it should have been explained so people walking out don't have to wonder why.

or maybe people that wonder about something so unimportant with not so many obvious answer are too young for a PG-13 movie...

Or maybe, instead of taking drugs and going through all that trouble, she could have made him think she was dead instead of using a hokey plot device with zero payoff when she returns and no emotional impact when it actually happens for real.

Maybe, just a different method, but is the same deal... you can start asking the same things "why didn't he asked to see the body, or her tomb, bla bla", and when she turns out to be alive, is the same deal, it doesn't matter if it was drugs, mutant powers, holographic proyectors...

 

[Kanon]

So TDK had comparably worse writing than this movie?

In my opinion, they are waaaaaay different and is unfair to compare. It's apples and oranges. I prefer Wolverine, but is a personal choice.

 

[Theweepeople]

Now I will comment on the adamantium bullet. Overall, I don't think it's a bad idea. It's the execution that irritates me. I would have no problem with Wolverine losing his memory if the bullet hit his head and knocked him out. There are plenty of examples in our society were people get amnesia through suffering an injury to the head. In X2 it was established that Wolverine could be knocked out if shot by a bullet. It's not farfetched to believe that the force/pressure resulting from getting shot by the hardest substance on the planet could cause a little brain damage.

I don't like the idea of the bullet causing the adamantium on Logan's skull to crack. If the bullet was fired with a force strong enough to do this then theorically Logan's whole skull could shatter from the damaged and shifted adamantium which is bonded to his skull on a subatomic level. Logan would sustain extensive skeletal and brain damage to his skull if the bullet did this. I'm sure this damage could have a major impact on the effectiveness of Wolverine's healing factor if the electrial signal relationship between Logan's brain and organs is interrupted. I also, think the bullet would have shattered and some of the fragments would end up in his skull causing more damage.

I understand that Logan's power allows him to recover quickly from injury's but, that's a hell of a lot of damage to endure. I just think that the whole adamantium bullet piercing his skull idea is bad science in this universe.

Logan's amnesia could have been explained better if one of the telepaths in the film used their powers against him. X3 already established that Xavier could be a cold hearted bastard. The writer's could have come up with a reasonable explanation for why Xavier gave Logan amnesia. Or Stryker could have manipulated Emma Frost into using her power against Wolverine.

 

[chaseter]

Xavier giving Logan his amnesia could have been a fantastic twist...that is a cool idea. Logan comes to the mansion asking Xavier to help him remember his past and Xavier was hesitant in X1 and X2 so I think that could have been a really big twist. I like that idea.

 

[Theweepeople]

That's ridiculous. It's so obvious that the Joker used his clairvoyance powers to predict he will need the bomb, so his whole plan of trying to kill Dent or Batman, but failing thanks to the batmobile having a super secret bike inside, going to jail, and managing to be left alone with just one guard on the inside of the room with him, could work.

Use your brains, people...

Actually, I was under the impression the Joker had a backup plan for every plan that could fail. He really didn't want to be captured. He did want to know who Batman was. The joker was intent on hurting or killing Harvey Dent from the beginning. Once Harvey revealed he was Batman the Joker was intent on killing him. After seeing the Batman mobile appear behind the police vehicle carrying Harvey the Joker's plan changed. He knew Harvey wasn't Batman and told one of his henchmen to call his other henchmen to prepare for a backup plan.

The bomb inside one of his henchmen was his ticket out of jail in case he got caught. The bomb was probably placed inside by a doctor who had ties with the mafia members under the Joker's control.

The plan for Harvey Dent to survive and Rachel Dawes to die also made sense. The joker already explained his plan to his henchmen in case he was captured. He probably had spies with remote bomb controls at both locations expecting Batman to arrive at the wrong one. Once Batman arrived and saved Harvey the spies at that location told the other ones to make sure the other bomb went off first. Of course the purpose of the bomb going off at Harvey's location was to cover up all the evidence.
Harvey getting scarred was an extra unexpected bonus for the joker's backup plan.

Once again I'm not seeing any plotholes.

 

[Theweepeople]

Xavier giving Logan his amnesia could have been a fantastic twist...that is a cool idea. Logan comes to the mansion asking Xavier to help him remember his past and Xavier was hesitant in X1 and X2 so I think that could have been a really big twist. I like that idea.

It's much better than the way the adamantium bullet idea was poorly executed.

 

[Kanon]

HAHAHAHAHA, had Xavier erased Logan's memory here (why would he do that?) people would be *****ing like crazy. There is no reason for Prof X to do that, and is lame as hell as plot device...

About the Joker plan in TDK: Look, it's really late for me, and I don't want to make a big deal out of it, specially since every time I talk about TDK people thing I hate the movie and that's not the case, but the Joker wanted to be captured, is stated that he (supposedly) planned the whole thing so he could get to that Chinese accounter, and get the money of the mob.

 

[Deaths Head II]

HAHAHAHAHA, had Xavier erased Logan's memory here (why would he do that?) people would be *****ing like crazy. There is no reason for Prof X to do that, and is lame as hell as plot device...

One thing I liked was that Logan was having nightmares about his past. If the movie were better made, it would have spent more time showing Logan desperately struggling with his memories. Logan spends years trying to forget his past, Silverfox's fate makes it too unbearable, he asks Professor X to wipe his mind for him, and then he spends years trying to remember his past. It's cruel irony that would have actually been original and unique.

 

[Spidey 2007]

One thing I liked was that Logan was having nightmares about his past. If the movie were better made, it would have spet more time showing Logan desperately struggling with his memories. Logan spent years trying to forget his past, Silverfox's fate makes it too unbearable, he asks Professor X to wipe his mind for him, and then he spends years trying to remember his past. It's cruel irony that would have actually been original and unique.

now...THAT would have been good...

 

[bullets]

Wolverine asking for a mind wipe would of been a good twist but it's too late for that anyway.

 

[Anita18]

I am not talking about his reaction which was warranted, it did leave a gaping plot hole as in what he did with her body afterwards (did he take her to the doctor where they would have seen she had a pulse, did he bury her and giver her a funeral, or did he take her home and wonder where her body went after a while) I am talking about a movie about Wolverine's origin not having a drop of blood in it from the fights and he never bleeds in this film because they made him invincible and unstoppable.

Eh, actually that "plot hole" didn't bother me so much. Wolverine is so visceral that I just assumed he ceased thinking and went right to the revenge mission against Sabretooth. It's conceivable that Stryker managed to get Silver Fox's body back, because we aren't shown anything. It's all off screen. Certain things being "conceivable" also explains away a lot of TDK's so-called "plot holes" as well, especially considering what they were going for in the first place: the dread and fear of Joker being everywhere at once.

The one thing that really bugged me editing-wise in Wolverine was the Gambit teleportation trick. Or I guess it's technically a continuity error, but it's so out there that it borders on plot hole.

Wolverine asking for a mind wipe would of been a good twist but it's too late for that anyway.

Oooh, that would be cool, in a Memento-esque way.

 

[Theweepeople]

HAHAHAHAHA, had Xavier erased Logan's memory here (why would he do that?) people would be *****ing like crazy. There is no reason for Prof X to do that, and is lame as hell as plot device....

Well, it wouldn't have been a bad plot device if Logan had been properly established as the animalistic psychopathic brute Stryker referred to him as in X2. Based on what I've been told Logan has the personality of a boyscout in this film so yes I agree that Xavier would have no reason to erase the memory of a more tamed logan.

I thought the idea of Professor X using mental blocks on Jean in X3 would have worked if Jean's dark side had already been previously shown. Instead the plot device felt very ackward and ended up being a lame way of righting Scott Summers out of the script.

About the Joker plan in TDK: Look, it's really late for me, and I don't want to make a big deal out of it, specially since every time I talk about TDK people thing I hate the movie and that's not the case, but the Joker wanted to be captured, is stated that he (supposedly) planned the whole thing so he could get to that Chinese accounter, and get the money of the mob.

The Joker had been hired by the mafia to capture the accountant so you are right about that. However, I believe the commisioner was mistaken when he said the Joker wanted to be captured. The Joker chose that night to try and get the account because the police force would be distracted while trying to transport a very high profile VIP to another location. He definitely had spies on the inside of the police department who were conspiring to take the account while the Joker was causing chaos. After hearing that the Joker got caught they decided to go with a different plan already prepared by the mafia and the joker.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

As I see it, after finding Kayla dead, he went right after Creed, then after being beaten he went right after Stryker and then there was the adamantium...
I didn't think he even got time to think about what he was doing... He was blinded by revenge.

All this, but we "don't see the animal"

 

[carnageehw]

Already explained this. Considering how quickly the police arrived it's obvious they were called before the bus crashed. Futhermore, the bus was only at the building for about a minute.

No way. Bus was there for a while. Driving it in at the exact same spot (meaning no random traffic in the way) is far fetched as well. It makes for a cool visual, but doesn't make any sense in practice.

Only in a city as corrupt as Gothum would no one come to see if the children were okay.

I've heard this explination as well. There are simply too many people that would have to be corrupt . Makes no practical sense.

Of course, unless of course the people driving the buses were the Joker's henchmen. It's obvious the first four criminals killed didn't know about the last one and the bus. Therefore, it's plausible that the Joker had other henchmen involved in the scheme.

Ok, I grant this as possible. Didn't come across this way in the flick though.

The first film already established that Gothum was overflowing with moral corruption. The people who witnessed the bus crashing were probably desensitized to the crimes.

Anything in the world can be dismissed that way. All the hospital workers could have been corrupt too. All the police watching to see if the boats were tampered with could have been corrupt.
Any plot hole that is explained with "The people were corrupt" is indeed a plot hole.

Some of you want them to be plotholes because for some bizzare reason you're unable to accept criticism of Wolverine.

I haven't seen Wolverine sir. Why would you think I can't accept critisism of it.

Therefore, you resort to trying to find other flaws in popular movies to make you feel more comfortable about your opinion.

I love TDK and am actually pretty skeptical of Wolverine. I dunno, you probably shouldn't make stupid assumptions.

Next I'm sure someone will say the scene where the Joker escapes is a plothole because "how could the Joker put a bomb inside one of his henchmen." I have a very easy explanation for that and many of these other so-called plotholes in TDK.

That one's believable. Explain how he was able to destroy a hospital. Demolitions that big require an AWFUL lot of explosives.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Now I will comment on the adamantium bullet. Overall, I don't think it's a bad idea. It's the execution that irritates me. I would have no problem with Wolverine losing his memory if the bullet hit his head and knocked him out. There are plenty of examples in our society were people get amnesia through suffering an injury to the head. In X2 it was established that Wolverine could be knocked out if shot by a bullet. It's not farfetched to believe that the force/pressure resulting from getting shot by the hardest substance on the planet could cause a little brain damage.

I don't like the idea of the bullet causing the adamantium on Logan's skull to crack. If the bullet was fired with a force strong enough to do this then theorically Logan's whole skull could shatter from the damaged and shifted adamantium which is bonded to his skull on a subatomic level. Logan would sustain extensive skeletal and brain damage to his skull if the bullet did this. I'm sure this damage could have a major impact on the effectiveness of Wolverine's healing factor if the electrial signal relationship between Logan's brain and organs is interrupted. I also, think the bullet would have shattered and some of the fragments would end up in his skull causing more damage.

I understand that Logan's power allows him to recover quickly from injury's but, that's a hell of a lot of damage to endure. I just think that the whole adamantium bullet piercing his skull idea is bad science in this universe.

Logan's amnesia could have been explained better if one of the telepaths in the film used their powers against him. X3 already established that Xavier could be a cold hearted bastard. The writer's could have come up with a reasonable explanation for why Xavier gave Logan amnesia. Or Stryker could have manipulated Emma Frost into using her power against Wolverine.

Logan has regenerated from nothing more than bones in the comics. So the idea of him regenerating from what you just said is not in the least bit far fetched, or "bad science in this universe"

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

One thing I liked was that Logan was having nightmares about his past. If the movie were better made, it would have spent more time showing Logan desperately struggling with his memories. Logan spends years trying to forget his past, Silverfox's fate makes it too unbearable, he asks Professor X to wipe his mind for him, and then he spends years trying to remember his past. It's cruel irony that would have actually been original and unique.

No, what would have been best would have been for the movie to actually do what's implied by the trailers ("All the horrible things in your life; your father, the wars, the woman you love was hunted down. I can make this all go away") and have Stryker and the Weapon X experiment wipe his memory, and him volunteer for it because his memories were too painful, and for revenge against Creed.

But NO, those scenes and lines couldn't even be used in the movie.

 

[Theweepeople]

Logan has regenerated from nothing more than bones in the comics. So the idea of him regenerating from what you just said is not in the least bit far fetched, or "bad science in this universe"

Well, I thought that comic book idea was mindnumblingly stupid. None of the previous movies gave me the impression that Wolverine was basically immortal. A teenage mutant almost killed him twice in the first movie merely by using her power on him for a few seconds. Furthermore, the X-Men movie universe is different from the X-comic universe.

 

[Anita18]

All this, but we "don't see the animal"

Um, lots of movie characters "become animals" when a loved one is violently murdered. It's not a characteristic distinct to Wolverine. I think people were expecting unprovoked animalistic rage out of him every once in a while...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Um, lots of movie characters "become animals" when a loved one is violently murdered. It's not a characteristic distinct to Wolverine. I think people were expecting unprovoked animalistic rage out of him every once in a while...

How many of those movie characters go BACK to a person who they hate and despise because said person has done nothing but manipulate and control him, to willingly endure even more control and manipulation by allowing a horrendous experiment to be done to him simply so he could kill his brother over said events?

 

[chaseter]

HAHAHAHAHA, had Xavier erased Logan's memory here (why would he do that?) people would be *****ing like crazy. There is no reason for Prof X to do that, and is lame as hell as plot device...

About the Joker plan in TDK: Look, it's really late for me, and I don't want to make a big deal out of it, specially since every time I talk about TDK people thing I hate the movie and that's not the case, but the Joker wanted to be captured, is stated that he (supposedly) planned the whole thing so he could get to that Chinese accounter, and get the money of the mob.

HAHAHAHAHA and the magic bullet is on another level of writing than we can even fathom

 

[Deaths Head II]

No, what would have been best would have been for the movie to actually do what's implied by the trailers ("All the horrible things in your life; your father, the wars, the woman you love was hunted down. I can make this all go away") and have Stryker and the Weapon X experiment wipe his memory, and him volunteer for it because his memories were too painful, and for revenge against Creed.

But NO, those scenes and lines couldn't even be used in the movie.

My original post was actually what I thought the movie was going to be about. Except replace Professor X with Stryker.

 

[Nightmare689]

jumpin over from ComicVine and in the comments for the News Post of Ryan Reynolds on his thoughts for a Deadpool movie, someone said this...

"There was a ending with Wade Wilson, Not really Deadpool. We first see the nuclear plant shattered, in rubble. We see a hand, seemingly reaching for a head which is well hidden due to the palette.
Then, someone with a black coat similar to Sabertooth's, comes, kneels and pick up the head. The camera pans, we see Wade, with his head filled with wounds (he has a hood hiding most of it). As it pans, we hear "Who the hell (Or heck, not sure) are you?" We get a pan around at the "sunset". Though as it zooms out during the pan, we see the eyeballs of Weapon X turning to look at his body.""

sorry if its been previously posted, but if its new then cool.
well, i'm not 100% sure what this person is describing here, but id like to get others opinions on it, like if its likely a fake, or what exactly is happening here

 

[Anita18]

How many of those movie characters go BACK to a person who they hate and despise because said person has done nothing but manipulate and control him, to willingly endure even more control and manipulation by allowing a horrendous experiment to be done to him simply so he could kill his brother over said events?

That's not animalistic, that's just holding a very bad grudge.