But, c'mon...kids today DO look up to jerks, lol. Boys look up to *******s like Kanye West and girls look up to snobby chicks with homemade sex tapes like Kim Kardashian.
But can the 2nd one make things right? Where does his arc go from here?
But it's not just the money though. It's a dang bottle of chocolate milk as well, lol. Like I said, I just don't "get" that entire scene at all and the biggest downfall in the first hour of the film which I enjoyed the most of the film.
The shady territory I talk about is the criminals. The lie itself was racking Gordon with guilt. It's only shady if someone mentioned someone at Blackgate wasn't working for the mob. Heck, 500+ working for the mob were put behind bars in one film, I wouldn't be surprised if 500 more are found during the next eight years.
The broken promise was more than just about dating someone. It was about keeping someone safe. And while Gotham lived under a lie, things were safe and it was at a peace time throughout those eight years.
Its simply asking for faithfulness to the comics. Spider-Man isn't a jerk like most people might be. He's more than that.
Peter was way more of a jerk in the comics, than he's been shown in either of the film universes.
Spider-Man is NOT like that. Spider-Man is more like Superman.
OMG, so much nonsense in this thread. I am soooooooooo tired of reading that Pete is a *****ebag in the movie, I mean seriously.
Gotta love the backlash as well, like I'm hanging on NeoGAF, and 80 % over there seem to think that TASM is a terrible movie, and that Webb is a hack.
Garfield is fantastic in the movie, point, his Peter Parker is great, he's a *****ebag because what? Aw yeah, he's letting the thief go, and all that, which is basically the same thing in Spidey 1 and I don't remember anyone bashing Parker's character in Spider-Man.
Or is it the scene where he's having fun webbing the car thief? This scene is hilarious, people were cracking up both times I saw it, this is typical Spidey, and honest to God, if you had Spidey's powers, you would be having some fun, plus the guy is a car thief.
Peter breaking the promise at the end, WTF is up with the uproar here? He's a teenager, like it has been said many times in this thread, some of you are delusional if you think you remember how teenagers are, the character is a teenager and is authentic in pretty much every way.
The moment at the end is supposed to bring a smile to your face, he just knows he cant stay away from her, and I dont know, but promises are words ,and are often made to be broken, this is human nature bros.
God, I hope Webb, now that he's gotten the origin stuff out of the way, is going to pull off (and seeing the cast he's assembling, it seems pretty promising) a mind-blowing sequel so that everyone can calm down and admire.
I love watching the Joker work.
I just wanna say that I am enjoying reading this civil back-and-forth and haven't had anything constructive to add (except that I want to hug Joker)
I can't express how much I disagree with this sentiment. Superman is the ideal to aspire to; Spider-Man has always been about relatability. Superman is the god who leads by example, Spider-man is the KID whose coming-of-age story we are reading. And coming-of-age stories are, by their very nature, about making some dumb/wrong decisions as a kid and learning the consequences of those decisions. Parker's characterization has always been something of a cocky smart-ass. Who also happens to be a brilliant student who loves his family and tries to do the right thing. But he's still a cocky smartass - he's smarter than everyone in the room most of the time, and he knows it - and he still sometimes lets his ego get the better of him and loses sight of what that right thing is.
Peter learned a very valuable lesson in this movie, but that didn't mean his entire personality was "fixed." He learned from Uncle Ben that when you are in a position to help others, it is your moral obligation to do so. That message landed with Peter, loud and clear. But that doesn't have anything to do with the promise he made, and it doesn't change the fact that right now, he thinks he is superman. He thinks, now that he's got "right" on his side, as well as some pretty cool powers, that he can do anything. Including protect those he loves. Because that's part of his character, that ego, that inflated confidence. Feeling like you're young and invincible is a common (and sadly, sometimes fatal) misguided notion with teenagers. That recklessness is what led to that broken promise, not the lack of a lesson learned. And that's what he's unfortunately gonna have to learn all about soon.
Responsibility is a very wide-ranging concept. He learned a big part of it in this installment, but there's still more to it that he unfortunately hasn't wrapped his head around yet, and it's going to cost him another person he cares about. Which is the life of Peter Parker in a nutshell, lol.
I can't express how much I disagree with this sentiment. Superman is the ideal to aspire to; Spider-Man has always been about relatability.
Superman is the god who leads by example
Spider-man is the KID whose coming-of-age story we are reading. And coming-of-age stories are, by their very nature, about making some dumb/wrong decisions as a kid and learning the consequences of those decisions. Parker's characterization has always been something of a cocky smart-ass. Who also happens to be a brilliant student who loves his family and tries to do the right thing. But he's still a cocky smartass - he's smarter than everyone in the room most of the time, and he knows it - and he still sometimes lets his ego get the better of him and loses sight of what that right thing is.
Peter learned a very valuable lesson in this movie, but that didn't mean his entire personality was "fixed." He learned from Uncle Ben that when you are in a position to help others, it is your moral obligation to do so. That message landed with Peter, loud and clear. But that doesn't have anything to do with the promise he made, and it doesn't change the fact that right now, he thinks he is superman. He thinks, now that he's got "right" on his side, as well as some pretty cool powers, that he can do anything. Including protect those he loves. Because that's part of his character, that ego, that inflated confidence. Feeling like you're young and invincible is a common (and sadly, sometimes fatal) misguided notion with teenagers. That recklessness is what led to that broken promise, not the lack of a lesson learned. And that's what he's unfortunately gonna have to learn all about soon.
Responsibility is a very wide-ranging concept. He learned a big part of it in this installment, but there's still more to it that he unfortunately hasn't wrapped his head around yet, and it's going to cost him another person he cares about. Which is the life of Peter Parker in a nutshell, lol.
Yeah, I get it. You can't get over the chocolate milk part, and can't or won't recognize it was about the principle, and not the milk itself. If the fan base had been as pedantic as that, Anno, Spider-Man would never have made it past this issue;
Again you're missing the point. We're not told about the individual criminals because it's irrelevant. The fact the movie hammers home is all of these men are locked up and denied rights they should have but don't all because of a lie that Gordon is sitting on.
A lie he could have stopped ANY time but he didn't. That's why he's made to look and feel like a bad guy when all of this comes out in the movie.
It's still nonsense. By that logic Peter should move a million miles away from Aunt May and not have any close friends at all because all of them can be made targets, too, as easily as Gwen could.
Gotham lived under a LIE that had adverse effects on the law and denied inmates their rights. Think of an analogy like this; a married couple is living in wedded bliss, but the husband is sneaking away and having affairs every chance he gets and the wife is blissfully unaware. The hubby lies to her face every day and pretends she's the only one for him.
Is that a good thing? Living in a sham marriage you don't even know about, like living in a sham city that has peace time based on a whopper of a lie? Is that any better than breaking a promise? No, it's not.
That's what he does with his jabs most of the time, he demeans the receiving endOne of the major letdowns of the first film, for me, was Peter Parker's characterization. He just wasn't likeable. At points he was simply mean-spirited (his jabs at criminals while dressed as Spider-Man came off more as demeaning and patronizing than witty or clever). He seemed incredibly immature. His quickness to break his promise to Captain Stacy, and his disrespectful comment about "broken promises being the best kind" didn't do any favors to my opinion of the character.
That's pure hyperbole. Superman is, despite his power still just a man, who also makes mistakes. And Spider-Man is equally iconic because of the very fact that he is the guy that wasn't descended from the heavens as a savior. He comes from where we all come from and is supposed to show us the level we can rise to despite the personal cost.
In the classic books, Peter was effectively presented as someone who was coming of age, and yet still exceptional. He didn't always make the right choice, but it was with the right intentions. In TASM Peter's choices are often wrong, made from the wrong perspective and with the wrong motivations. That's why he is for so many people unrelatable.
With who? Nick Katzenberg? Or you talk about his days as a teenager with Flash Thompson teasing him?Peter was way more of a jerk in the comics, than he's been shown in either of the film universes.
You guys are going to give me a swell head in a minute
I can't express how much I disagree with this sentiment. Superman is the ideal to aspire to; Spider-Man has always been about relatability. Superman is the god who leads by example, Spider-man is the KID whose coming-of-age story we are reading. And coming-of-age stories are, by their very nature, about making some dumb/wrong decisions as a kid and learning the consequences of those decisions. Parker's characterization has always been something of a cocky smart-ass. Who also happens to be a brilliant student who loves his family and tries to do the right thing. But he's still a cocky smartass - he's smarter than everyone in the room most of the time, and he knows it - and he still sometimes lets his ego get the better of him and loses sight of what that right thing is.
Peter learned a very valuable lesson in this movie, but that didn't mean his entire personality was "fixed." He learned from Uncle Ben that when you are in a position to help others, it is your moral obligation to do so. That message landed with Peter, loud and clear. But that doesn't have anything to do with the promise he made, and it doesn't change the fact that right now, he thinks he is superman. He thinks, now that he's got "right" on his side, as well as some pretty cool powers, that he can do anything. Including protect those he loves. Because that's part of his character, that ego, that inflated confidence. Feeling like you're young and invincible is a common (and sadly, sometimes fatal) misguided notion with teenagers. That recklessness is what led to that broken promise, not the lack of a lesson learned. And that's what he's unfortunately gonna have to learn all about soon.
Responsibility is a very wide-ranging concept. He learned a big part of it in this installment, but there's still more to it that he unfortunately hasn't wrapped his head around yet, and it's going to cost him another person he cares about. Which is the life of Peter Parker in a nutshell, lol.