The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Andrew Garfield IS Spider-Man!

[GuestStar2004]

Right, like I said before, getting tongue tied in front of someone you like is not the same as being "socially awkward". Did Peter talk this way to his Aunt and Uncle? Connors? Captain Stacy? No.

I repeat: Peter wasn't nervous in social settings (and if he was, it wasn't shown or made clear), he didn't act inappropriately in social situations, he wasn't antisocial, He was confident enough to speak up and stand up to Flash, etc...Not socially awkward

do you ever not moan about something?, like every thread you dislike something

But anyway Peter was socially awkward, an outsider who kept himself to himself, many occasions he did seem insecure with Connors, uncle Ben, gwen and he would look downwards or jitter or make nervious movements, and being tongue tied and stuttering is often due to anxiety or nervousness, I was socially awkward at school too but doesn't mean you are a mute

But as for acting a different way around Ben and may... Yeah that's normal, he would be at his most comfortable around them even if he still isn't comfortable with himself

Not all socially awkwardness is the same

 

[JOE]

This. ^

 

[Loki882]

do you ever not moan about something?, like every thread you dislike something

But anyway Peter was socially awkward, an outsider who kept himself to himself, many occasions he did seem insecure with Connors, uncle Ben, gwen and he would look downwards or jitter or make nervious movements, and being tongue tied and stuttering is often due to anxiety or nervousness, I was socially awkward at school too but doesn't mean you are a mute

But as for acting a different way around Ben and may... Yeah that's normal, he would be at his most comfortable around them even if he still isn't comfortable with himself

Not all socially awkwardness is the same

Also, Peter WAS nervous and quiet initially at the dinner with the Stacy family. When he did start talking, it was to get into an argument with Capt. Stacy.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Peters pride was hurt at the dinner table, while Peter was probably expecting what he did to be recognised as capturing a criminal and doing good but was instead Stacey putting his antics down as being a criminal and someone who has to be stopped

Peter had his awkward moments even during the argument, its the small things in Andrews performance you gotta look at, the body language which I think Andrew did quite well

 

[Loki882]

Yes, I agree.

 

[iwontsaveu]

Reading the comments it seems the ideal peter Parker to some of you is what teens today would call a loser instead of a nerd. I am 19, a year ago i was in high school, I was a nerd, I'm talking all AP classes, but i was cool. As a lot of people have said Nerds today are not the same as they were 20-30 years ago. It wouldn't work.

 

[Picard Sisko]

do you ever not moan about something?, like every thread you dislike something

But anyway Peter was socially awkward, an outsider who kept himself to himself, many occasions he did seem insecure with Connors, uncle Ben, gwen and he would look downwards or jitter or make nervious movements, and being tongue tied and stuttering is often due to anxiety or nervousness, I was socially awkward at school too but doesn't mean you are a mute

But as for acting a different way around Ben and may... Yeah that's normal, he would be at his most comfortable around them even if he still isn't comfortable with himself

Not all socially awkwardness is the same

Also, Peter WAS nervous and quiet initially at the dinner with the Stacy family. When he did start talking, it was to get into an argument with Capt. Stacy.

Peters pride was hurt at the dinner table, while Peter was probably expecting what he did to be recognised as capturing a criminal and doing good but was instead Stacey putting his antics down as being a criminal and someone who has to be stopped

Peter had his awkward moments even during the argument, its the small things in Andrews performance you gotta look at, the body language which I think Andrew did quite well

All of this. I can't believe this was even a discussion. I want my trailer for TASM2 now!

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Oh I think Andrew kills in physical acting too.

 

[Vid Electricz]

do you ever not moan about something?, like every thread you dislike something

I'm not "moaning" about anything, I'm rebuffing the assertion that Peter Parker is "socially awkward" in TASM. On the other hand, you are moaning about me doing so...

But anyway Peter was socially awkward, an outsider who kept himself to himself, many occasions he did seem insecure with Connors, uncle Ben, gwen and he would look downwards or jitter or make nervious movements, and being tongue tied and stuttering is often due to anxiety or nervousness, I was socially awkward at school too but doesn't mean you are a mute

It sounds more like you guys are projecting onto the character ("Peter is just like me!"). Peter didn't act "awkward" around Connors, Ben, Captain Stacy, or any of his classmates (apart from Gwen, who he liked).

He wasn't visibly anxious or nervous in social settings.
He didn't display a lack of understanding of social norms.
He didn't act in an inappropriate or distasteful way.
He wasn't awkwardly silent or afraid to speak.
He didn't, as a result of his behaviour, have a lack of meaningful connection with others.

You guys reading into things that aren't there.

Not all socially awkwardness is the same

No, but there are telltale signs and Peter didn't display any of them- aside from, as you claim, stuttering. lol.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Reading the comments it seems the ideal peter Parker to some of you is what teens today would call a loser instead of a nerd.

It makes it easier for them to identify with that way. lol.

I am 19, a year ago i was in high school, I was a nerd, I'm talking all AP classes, but i was cool. As a lot of people have said Nerds today are not the same as they were 20-30 years ago. It wouldn't work.

Another example of blanket stereotypes not being applicable to a particular group of people. There have always been people who were in AP classes and "cool" (though having to come on a message board to say so is dubious).

There are, in fact, still people who do fit the "nerd" stereotype.

 

[Loki882]

Not that I've ever met, or at least not in the way that some people are suggesting, THAT is a blatant stereotype that worked in the 60's. Andrew's Peter is much more believable. Also, we're not projecting as to Peter social awkwardness, YOU just refuse to acknowledge it when it's right there onscreen, which is your problem, not ours. Or you just don't understand what "socially awkward" actually means, that could be it to.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Not that I've ever met, or at least not in the way that some people are suggesting, THAT is a blatant stereotype that worked in the 60's. Andrew's Peter is much more believable. Also, we're not projecting as to Peter social awkwardness,

1960's stereotype? Huh? What are you even on about? I'm talking about people who are truly socially awkward who DO fit the stereotype: Antisocial, don't understand how to function in a social setting, say inappropriate things in social settings, etc...

Andrew's Peter is more realistic than what? No one ever claimed the character wasn't "realistic". try to keep up with the actual conversation instead of pulling things out of thin air.

YOU just refuse to acknowledge it when it's right there onscreen, which is your problem, not ours.

YOU'RE reading into things that simply aren't there AND using the term incorrectly. Why? Who knows, that's your problem.

Or you just don't understand what "socially awkward" actually means, that could be it to.

You've got it backwards. Don't know how many times I can list these descriptors, since you seem to be avoiding them:

He wasn't visibly anxious or nervous in social settings.
He didn't display a lack of understanding of social norms.
He didn't act in an inappropriate or distasteful way.
He wasn't awkwardly silent or afraid to speak.
He didn't, as a result of his behaviour, have a lack of meaningful connection with others.

YOU are obviously using the term incorrectly. The only refutation you've been able to provide thus far is that he stutters a bit. lol.

 

[Oscorp]

I think he did display a lack of understanding of social norms at the dinner table at the Stacys. Being the first time you meet the family of someone, you simply don't behave like that no matter how much you think he's wrong.

I can see your other points though.

 

[Vid Electricz]

I think he did display a lack of understanding of social norms at the dinner table at the Stacys. Being the first time you meet the family of someone, you simply don't behave like that no matter how much you think he's wrong.

I can see your other points though.

This has more to do with being immature than "socially awkward" though. His beliefs were being challenged by Captain Stacy and he responded in an immature fashion. He even apologised after the fact as he realized that he was out of order/in the wrong.

 

[Green Goblin]

Peter came from a working class home...

Gwen came from atleast an upper-middle class one.

From past experiences meeting your GF's family is painfully awkward, especially when it's your first time.

 

[Green Goblin]

This has more to do with being immature than "socially awkward" though. His beliefs were being challenged by Captain Stacy and he responded in an immature fashion. He even apologised after the fact as he realized that he was out of order/in the wrong.

There you go he was being polite he apologised.

The Bible says:

"The Lord forgives ALL who seek salvation"

That means it was ok

 

[Oscorp]

This has more to do with being immature than "socially awkward" though. His beliefs were being challenged by Captain Stacy and he responded in an immature fashion. He even apologised after the fact as he realized that he was out of order/in the wrong.

Good point, but I think one wouldn't react like he did in the first place.

Peter came from a working class home...

Gwen came from atleast an upper-middle class one.

From past experiences meeting your GF's family is painfully awkward, especially when it's your first time.

Awkward, yes. But you don't get into heated arguements with her dad at the dinner table, almost yelling like he did. Especially in awkward situations like that, one would be more quiet and careful. At least I would.

 

[iwontsaveu]

It makes it easier for them to identify with that way. lol.



Another example of blanket stereotypes not being applicable to a particular group of people. There have always been people who were in AP classes and "cool" (though having to come on a message board to say so is dubious).

There are, in fact, still people who do fit the "nerd" stereotype.

You don't have to beleive me if you don't want to. I just want you to understand that those who fit the "Nerd" stereotype nowadays are not called nerds, they are either called losers or weirdo's. In fact there was one kid in my AP calculus class who would fit your description, and hypothetically if he where to get superpowers i would be scared out of my mind because he would probably hurt a lot of people like Max Dillon will in TASM 2. what i am trying to say is if they made peter like that in TASM people would not be able to relate to it, nor would they enjoy, it in my opinion.

 

[Green Goblin]

They were arguing over what SM stand for...
Peter said Spidey is a hero (plus he is the biggest defender as he IS SPIDEY)
Capt. Stacy think's he's a menace.

People get into arguments ALL the time. I see it here everyday.

Did Vid and a few others want it to be polite and calm ALA Downtown Abbey!?

 

[Vid Electricz]

Good point, but I think one wouldn't react like he did in the first place.

Awkward, yes. But you don't get into heated arguements with her dad at the dinner table, almost yelling like he did. Especially in awkward situations like that, one would be more quiet and careful. At least I would.

Yeah, he had a chip on his shoulder and let his emotions get the best of him. This is essential in terms of drama and creating conflict between characters. So while the dinner conversation may have been awkward due to Peter's immature management of his emotions, it hardly indicates that he's a "socially awkward" individual, especially when it's not indicated anywhere else in the movie.

 

[Oscorp]

You don't have to beleive me if you don't want to. I just want you to understand that those who fit the "Nerd" stereotype nowadays are not called nerds, they are either called losers or weirdo's. In fact there was one kid in my AP calculus class who would fit your description, and hypothetically if he where to get superpowers i would be scared out of my mind because he would probably hurt a lot of people like Max Dillon will in TASM 2. what i am trying to say is if they made peter like that in TASM people would not be able to relate to it, nor would they enjoy, it in my opinion.

If I understood you correctly here, I agree

 

[Vid Electricz]

You don't have to beleive me if you don't want to. I just want you to understand that those who fit the "Nerd" stereotype nowadays are not called nerds, they are either called losers or weirdo's. In fact there was one kid in my AP calculus class who would fit your description, and hypothetically if he where to get superpowers i would be scared out of my mind because he would probably hurt a lot of people like Max Dillon will in TASM 2. what i am trying to say is if they made peter like that in TASM people would not be able to relate to it, nor would they enjoy, it in my opinion.

I hope you weren't in any AP English courses. lol. I kid.

Not sure what you mean with the "nerd", "loser" and "weirdo" thing though. Peter, in TASM wasn't any of these things (nor is anyone claiming or calling for such). He was more of a "loner" or "outcast", by choice. He obviously functioned well in social settings, understood social boundaries and norms, was able to form meaningful relationships, etc...that's what this little "debate" going on is about. Whether Peter is or is not "socially awkward" in TASM. The only evidence presented that he was is a bit of ocassional stuttering.

 

[Green Goblin]

Does Vid have me blocked?!

 

[GuestStar2004]

It sounds more like you guys are projecting onto the character ("Peter is just like me!"). Peter didn't act "awkward" around Connors, Ben, Captain Stacy, or any of his classmates (apart from Gwen, who he liked).

He wasn't visibly anxious or nervous in social settings.
He didn't display a lack of understanding of social norms.
He didn't act in an inappropriate or distasteful way.
He wasn't awkwardly silent or afraid to speak.
He didn't, as a result of his behaviour, have a lack of meaningful connection with others.

You guys reading into things that aren't there.

peter didn't have a social disability, not everyone goes through all them things you mentioned, the social awkwardness peter has is obviously something some confidence can over come

but peter prefered to be alone, he often looked uncomfortable at connors home, he often looked uncomfortable when ben was talking to him in his room, he looked uncomfortable around gwen when he first met her, he often looked uncomfortable at the dinner table at gwens

its all in garfields acting you have to look out for

 

[Oscorp]

I hope you weren't in any AP English courses. lol. I kid.

Not sure what you mean with the "nerd", "loser" and "weirdo" thing though. Peter, in TASM wasn't any of these things (nor is anyone claiming or calling for such). He was more of a "loner" or "outcast", by choice. He obviously functioned well in social settings, understood social boundaries and norms, was able to form meaningful relationships, etc...that's what this little "debate" going on is about. Whether Peter is or is not "socially awkward" in TASM. The only evidence presented that he was is a bit of ocassional stuttering.

Loner or outcast are more fitting words to describe him, yes.