Anyone else not interested in Batman with Superman?

[Sundancer]

I started a new thread because I think the others are filled with people who are interested in concept and my opinion would easily be overlooked. I'm happy for them. I hope they get a great movie. And I'll probably watch it.

But for me I generally like the two separate. I read Superman for one particular type of entertainment and Batman for another. Most stories I think "overlapping" is okay, other times not so much. I was also disappointed in TDKR and MoS. I don't think they were overall bad, just not what I was hoping for. I was/am looking forward to new characters coming out in movies.

I'm just wondering if anyone else feels similarly given this latest amovie announcement.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

bro/sis, once you get you're first gander at some footage you'll lose your mind like the rest of us will. I'm not worried about the flash, wondy, hal or mm. they'll get their day.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Agreed. Though I'd prefer that they establish these characters in solo films (MOS2 and a Batman film) before rushing into "team-ups". I hate the idea of them introducing the new Batman in a team-up movie. Ugh.

 

[Destructus86]

I'm interested...but highly reserved in my excitement. It's going to be tough to do Batman right on film.

 

[Schlosser85]

I would much rather they'd just done a proper MOS sequel.

Also, they should have waited a few years to give us another onscreen Batman, IMO.

 

[Rorschach2012]

How can someone prefer Batman and Superman comics be in separate worlds? I don't understand, their relationship is the main foundation for the DCU

 

[Joeyjojo72]

At this point, not even a little bit. Theyre basically saying that their most succesful (and only) post-Nolanbats property needs help. Plus they should be developing a Wondie and a Flash movie as we speak, not finding ways to screw up Superman while regurgitating Batman waaaay before its actually appropriate or necessary. Terrible idea. There is no way that Goyer won't screw this up.

 

[Vid Electricz]

At this point, not even a little bit. Theyre basically saying that their most succesful (and only) post-Nolanbats property needs help. Plus they should be developing a Wondie and a Flash movie as we speak, not finding ways to screw up Superman while regurgitating Batman waaaay before its actually appropriate or necessary. Terrible idea. There is no way that Goyer won't screw this up.

Signed. Co-signed.

 

[dru-zod2501]

it saddens me when many fans get what they've waited ages for, only for it to be met with skepticism and disappointment.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

we've been waiting literally forever for a Wondie movie a Flash movie an Aquaman movie etc. etc. On the other hand, we have gotten 4 legit Superman movies (plus several live action and animated tv shows) and arguably 5 legit Batman movies (plus animated). its not complicated. the skepticism is more than valid.

also, any non-Nolan Goyer project is automatically worthy of skepticism. the only rational default position. especially for those of us who werent exactly blown away by MoS (decent action flick, below average superman story).

 

[Vid Electricz]

It's not unfounded skepticism and disappointment though. We weren't born yesterday.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I was extremely let down by MOS already (on the most basic, fundamental levels of handling the character), this leaves very little room for me to believe that the same team behind MOS are going to do a great job on their future endeavors.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

Its happening fellas they are doing exact opposite of Marvel instead of following their strategy and also with full confidence as they speak in comic con

we should rather have a positive attitude towards it maybe they can deliver us the thing

also MOS wasn't a disappointment it was just not best superman movie doesn't mean they can't go further .

 

[craigdbfan]

I would much rather they'd just done a proper MOS sequel.

Also, they should have waited a few years to give us another onscreen Batman, IMO.

I'm completely with you. I have no problem with starting with a Batman well into his career but having his introduction be in a sequel to another heroes movie seems somewhat misguided.

 

[Visualiza]

it saddens me when many fans get what they've waited ages for, only for it to be met with skepticism and disappointment.

Your statement doesn't look at it from all angles.

Is a Goyer/Snyder WF, considering personal opinion of their track record and MoS, really what fans have always wanted?

For some, yes; others, no. You can't sweep everyone into that category simply because it's Superman and Batman. If the cast and creative team aren't to people's liking, among other factors, then it in fact isn't what they've been waiting for.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Your sober logic has no place in this thread. Shame on you.

 

[Visualiza]

Aye. May I recant my testimony?

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm also in the unexcited territory.

1) Superman needs to establish himself better. MOS was a decent start, but it needs more heart and more fun, and a really defining villain like Luthor.

2) This seems like a rush to JLA, as though Goyer/Snyder were able to compromise WB out of their JLA in 2015 plan. This makes the rest of the JLA seem like afterthoughts. No thanks.

3) Without their current versions being well-established, Batman vs Superman loses a lot of power.

 

[Destructus86]

I'm also in the unexcited territory.

1) Superman needs to establish himself better. MOS was a decent start, but it needs more heart and more fun, and a really defining villain like Luthor.

2) This seems like a rush to JLA, as though Goyer/Snyder were able to compromise WB out of their JLA in 2015 plan. This makes the rest of the JLA seem like afterthoughts. No thanks.

3) Without their current versions being well-established, Batman vs Superman loses a lot of power.

That's exactly it. They want Marvel success and they don't want to be patient about it. They want it NOW.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

yeah marvel was patient. iron man had 2 films, the second of which many believe is the lesser of the franchise because all marvel was interested in was the build up to avengers. hulk (i think they're counting that as cannon) thor and cap each had one film. that's 5 films. batman just had a trilogy, and while it won't be the same batman, he's been established. time and again. for the past three decades. everybody knows his story. nothing new to tell on that front.

we've got mos, mos 2 (bats vs supes) with flash and wonder woman rumored for 2016. that's 4 films. maybe we should add gl to even up the tally.

some say they're rushing it, others say it's the same ol same ol with supes and bats. think of it this way, sticking both of them into one film gives them more time to focus on the other characters instead of shoehorning them into the bats and supes show. wondy and flash are rumored for 2016 leading up to jl in 2017.

the one thing i will agree with is goyer. I've got my apprehensions about him given man of steel's reception, but I'm excited and hopeful that mos 2 goes more in depth about some of the things people took issue with.

 

[Skrilla31]

it saddens me when many fans get what they've waited ages for, only for it to be met with skepticism and disappointment.

We've waited this long which means we could wait longer. No one here would be upset if WB took maybe an extra 3-4 years to lay down the proper foundation for this thing to be as good as it possibly can be. The time just wasn't right for this. We want it done but most importantly we want it done right.

Good business doesn't always result in good movies. This decision was purely motivated by business and nothing else. That alone gives fans plenty reason to remain skeptical, let alone the creative team involved.

 

[Lily Adler]

I know what I want and I want it now!

 

[Hush]

I personally am excited for the film but I see your skepticism, it makes sense.

I do have a question though, did you honestly think that Warner Brothers would just not do another Batman after the recent success they just had with their last Batman trilogy? Put that with a new more hip Superman and you have in an execs mind a totally massive hit. The masses will show up and when you/I and the rest of the audiences show up then we will see Warner take it's time and not fast track to the JLA. All just guess work but i feel that's the way it will happen.

 

[TheBat812]

So many people jumping to conclusions... Batmans inclusion pure business? Probably part business, by also probably part of a bigger plan than we even know. Probably the product of countless brainstorming sessions with goyer and Snyder (and probably some Nolan). If Snyder and goyer are excited and fighting for it, they've definitely got my attention. In a grand sense I trust them to both push the characters in new directions while stayin true to the characters we know and love, as well as establish one functioning world for the dcu to inhabit rather than the hodgepodge approach marvel took, which frankly didn't work for me. By working from the inside out, I think it could be a very successful and at the very least different approach. And why not start out with their two strongest characters rather than make a bunch of mediocre movies to introduce them to people?

 

[DrCosmic]

Jumping to conclusions on the optimistic side (countless planning sessions???) isn't any more rational than jumping to conclusions on the pessimistic side.

The TDK trilogy can almost compete with Avengers on its own. If they made a bunch of incredible movies (why make mediocre ones?) with the characters solo and THEN team them up they could blow Avengers out of the water. But for that, WB would have to believe in its characters, and not push Snyder and Goyer to JLA ASAP.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I want a Batman/Superman movie, have wanted one for ages, but this is coming too soon in the universe for me.

Superman i barely established, he only just started working at the planet at the end of MOS (which I loved BTW) and only became Superman half way through the movie, he is still green, and IMO we need to see more of him and his growth before we team-up movies.

Also, come 2015, it will have only been 3 years since TDKR, thats too soon for a re-boot in my eyes, it should be 5 years at least, like Hulk and Spiderman were. Not to mention, Batman getting introduced is going to reduce Superman's screen-time and vice-versa, so both characters are going to suffer.

For me it should just be MOS2 in 2015, Flash in 2016, Batman in 2017 and then go from there. But alas, WB is just being impatient in wanting Marvel's success, which could end up hurting them in the long run. I just feel they are blowing their load too quickly.