Are we facing a new Cold War?

[Cinemaman]

The USA provides Georgia with weapons with which they can defend themselves from an attack, possibly from Russia (as happened a couple weeks ago). Georgia is a democratic, westernized nation that seeks NATO membership.

Are you really comparing the American government's aversion to "truth" with the Russian government's oppression of facts?

Yes, Georgia is against South Ossetia and Abkhazia breaking off and joining Russia. If Texas wanted to join Mexico, would we be cool with that? Doubtful.

Oh c'mon, don't fool yourself. USA started supplying Georgia several months ago, way back before the attack done by Georgia, not Russia. And just because Russia was a Communism center, it doesn't mean it's not a democratic country today.

What I am saying is that Georgia started claiming that Russians began the attack, and gave the global mass media fake facts. There were no Western journalists in South Ossetia, so they couldn't see what had been happenening there days before Russians pulled Georgians back from South Ossetia.

Georgia was against South Ossetia and Abkhazia, because they wanted to separate from it. Now they are against Russia, because it was the only country, which didn't talk, but acted to save people. Russia still remains a guarantor of peace in Caucasus.

 

[Tron5000]

Why in the wide wide world of sports would Georgia pick a fight with Russia by attacking South Ossetia, knowing full well that Russia would retaliate with their Communist military might? Does that make any sense at all?

The US has been supplying arms to Georgia for far longer than a span of months. Georgia houses a vital oil pipeline that Russia wants, so we knew this day would come.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Yes, Georgia is against South Ossetia and Abkhazia breaking off and joining Russia. If Texas wanted to join Mexico, would we be cool with that? Doubtful.

that's how you got Texas, because it declared independence and then joined the US.
you were cool with that back then (the national you, not the YOU you) why not now it see like the same thing.

 

[Cinemaman]

Why in the wide wide world of sports would Georgia pick a fight with Russia by attacking South Ossetia, knowing full well that Russia would retaliate with their Communist military might? Does that make any sense at all?

The US has been supplying arms to Georgia for far longer than a span of months. Georgia houses a vital oil pipeline that Russia wants, so we knew this day would come.

Russia has no Communist military. And Georgia wanted South Ossetia and Abkhazia just for the land. They expected Russia's response, but they also expected USA to protect Georgia and that is why they started that propaganda of how Georgia is so weak and Russia is so evil, as Saakashvili knew that would pull Russia-USA relations back to its Cold War status.

The fact that USA has been supplying Georgia for months only proves that Georgia has been working on its plan for years.

And Russia no way needs Georgia's pipeline as long as it has its own gas and oil. And this pipeline connects only Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey.

 

[The Senator]

Posters who don't know Tron should be aware that "Communism" is to his posts as "9/11" is to a Rudy Giuliani speech...

 

[Tron5000]

OK. So Russia is just being the good guy and trying to protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from big bad bully Georgia? And they really wanted to pull out earlier (when they said they would), but they just couldn't get the message across to the military commanders?

This is RUSSIA. They poison dissidents (ever heard of a fella named Litvinenko?), they stifle information, they hold "elections" in which the president is replaced by a puppet while Putin becomes PM so he can still pull the strings...These are Soviet Cold War-era tactics.

Do you really think Saakashvili picked a fight with Russia expecting the US to bring down its might on Russia? Wouldn't he have first made a phone call to gauge our interest in such a matter? He just thought we'd send our military to back them up and start an East-West war? Not bloody likely.

 

[Tron5000]

Posters who don't know Tron should be aware that "Communism" is to his posts as "9/11" is to a Rudy Giuliani speech...

I'm also quite fond of tossing in a "socialism" or "neolib" every now and then.

 

[Cinemaman]

OK. So Russia is just being the good guy and trying to protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from big bad bully Georgia? And they really wanted to pull out earlier (when they said they would), but they just couldn't get the message across to the military commanders?

This is RUSSIA. They poison dissidents (ever heard of a fella named Litvinenko?), they stifle information, they hold "elections" in which the president is replaced by a puppet while Putin becomes PM so he can still pull the strings...These are Soviet Cold War-era tactics.

Do you really think Saakashvili picked a fight with Russia expecting the US to bring down its might on Russia? Wouldn't he have first made a phone call to gauge our interest in such a matter? He just thought we'd send our military to back them up and start an East-West war? Not bloody likely.

I don't consider Russia as a good boy, but I think it was right to save people from what Georgians were doing. I doubt I understand what you mean here.

If you want to know, when Putin became a president, he didn't go with Yeltsin's direction. Instead, he chose his own. So your theory fails. And , do you think Georgians wnated Saakashvili to win again the elections? I highly doubt so, considering what is happenning now in Georgia. I know this, because most of my friends and some of my relatives are either Georgians or from Georgia. I don't blame all Georgians in mass killing of South Ossetians, I blame Saakashvili and his government.

Believe me, he does, especially considering his friendly relationships with Rice. He doesn't understand what he is doing, as he is trying to get two the most powerful countries in the world into the war, which nobody wants to happen. I have nothing against the American government except the fact that they support Georgia instead of staying neutral. WHat I don't want to see is the day when two sides will rather start fighting against each other than keep their partnership that has a lot of potential.

 

[Tron5000]

You're still avoiding the question:

Do you really think that it would make ANY SENSE AT ALL for Georgia to attack South Ossetia, knowing full well that they would be provoking a response from Russia, whose military might is a wee bit stronger than Georgia's? That would be like Puerto Rico attacking the US.

Do you really think Saakashvili made the decision to begin a conflagration that he KNEW would result in a war with Russia? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

 

[StorminNorman]

that's how you got Texas, because it declared independence and then joined the US.
you were cool with that back then (the national you, not the YOU you) why not now it see like the same thing.

We actually denied Texas membership into the Union our first go around. Also the American Government never supported Texas' civil war - which is the big difference here.

 

[Cinemaman]

You're still avoiding the question:

Do you really think that it would make ANY SENSE AT ALL for Georgia to attack South Ossetia, knowing full well that they would be provoking a response from Russia, whose military might is a wee bit stronger than Georgia's? That would be like Puerto Rico attacking the US.

Do you really think Saakashvili made the decision to begin a conflagration that he KNEW would result in a war with Russia? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

AGAIN, Saakashvili supposed that if he has USA's protection, then he can do whatever he wants. He decided to organize attacks in South Ossetia, kill there people and reach Abkhazia in one week during the Olympic games, when both Medvedev and Putin had a rest. This was his real intention. He thought USA would support Georgia's position and go on the war with Russia.

This would make a lot of sense, as first, there wouldn't be any power in Russia anymore (as USA would support Georgia, and Europe would support USA), and second, this would lead Georgia to conquering more territories.

 

[Tron5000]

Countries don't just go around all willy-nilly starting wars because they think the US will support them against a larger foe. Especially when our military is already engaged in action in Iraq and Afghanistan. That just doesn't make sense.

He really thought we'd send our military after Russia, starting an East-West war that would also involve Iran, China, Great Britain, Australia, France, and other world powers? Methinks not.

 

[Cinemaman]

Countries don't just go around all willy-nilly starting wars because they think the US will support them against a larger foe. Especially when our military is already engaged in action in Iraq and Afghanistan. That just doesn't make sense.

He really thought we'd send our military after Russia, starting an East-West war that would also involve Iran, China, Great Britain, Australia, France, and other world powers? Methinks not.

You see, everybody has his or her own crazy ideas. Is Saakashvili any different from Hitler? He started mass killings, he blames Russia for what HIS army did, and now he plans another invasion in Abkhazia.

You are too stubborn to even assume it can be true, because Russia is the only Eurasian country, which doesn't agree with anything what America does. So I just waste my time explaining you what you should have already known, but refuses to.

 

[Tron5000]

Thanks for wasting your time on me. I'm honored to have been enlightened.

 

[Cinemaman]

Thanks for wasting your time on me. I'm honored to have been enlightened.

Nice argument, you are so ignorant

 

[Tron5000]

Nice argument, you are so ignorant

And you're so nice and polite. Thanks again for educating me.

 

[Cinemaman]

And you're so nice and polite. Thanks again for educating me.

You're Welcome.