arkham asylum=earth? or why are we ****ing with evolution?

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I just saw this article in slate and it made me think of Morrison's Arkham Asylum and the Joker argument that he was actually supersane and just formulated for modern life in a way we're too unevolved to accept or understand. The idea that some "diseases" as we think of them are actually advantages that we're just too stupid to recognize is a intriguing concept.

I guess the question that occurred in my mind is when the next major evolution comes about are we even capable of recognizing it, or will be medicate and kill those genes in ourselves and in doing so stagnate the human race?

Saletan's piece on ADD and evolution, pretty interesting:

http://www.slate.com/id/2193472/


Is ADHD a disease?

The U.S. government says it is. So does the professional Diagnostic & Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders. The condition's very name incorporates this assumption: attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Lots of kids with ADHD have trouble functioning in modern society.

But what if society were different? What if it were structured so that having ADHD was actually an advantage?

This isn't some futuristic thought experiment. A new study suggests that this ADHD-friendly world may actually be part of our past.

The study, led by Dan Eisenberg of Northwestern University and published in BMC Evolutionary Biology, examined a Kenyan tribe called the Ariaal. Part of the tribe has recently settled into an agricultural community. Another part remains nomadic. The tribesmen were tested for DRD4 7R, a genetic variant that, Eisenberg notes, "has been linked to greater food and drug cravings, novelty-seeking, and ADHD symptoms." He and his colleagues report:

DRD4 7R+ genotypes were associated with indices of better nutritional status among nomads, particularly higher fat free mass, but worse indices in the settled individuals. This suggests that the 7R allele confers additional adaptive benefits in the nomadic compared to sedentary context.

This difference, the authors report, is "consistent with past findings of higher 7R allele frequencies in nomadic populations around the world."

But how would the gene help nomads? The authors speculate:

Increased impulsivity, ADHD-like traits, novelty-seeking like traits, aggression, violence and/or activity levels may help nomads obtain food resources, or exhibit a degree of behavioral unpredictability that is protective against interpersonal violence or robberies. … It might be that the attention spans conferred by the DRD4/7R+ genotype allow nomadic children to more readily learn effectively in a dynamic environment (without schools), while the same attention span interferes with classroom learning in Songa, the settled community. 7R+ boys might develop into warriors (the life-stage of an Ariaal male that lies between childhood and manhood) and men who can more effectively defend against livestock raiders, perhaps through a reputation of unpredictable behavior that inspires fear. Among 7R+ men in the settled community of Songa, such tendencies might be less well suited to practicing agriculture and selling goods at market. It might also be that higher activity levels in 7R+ nomads are translated into increased food production, while such activity levels in settled men are a less efficient use of calories in food production.

Remember, this is not a study of genetic differences between populations. The two Ariaal groups are genetically identical—the agricultural group became settled only 35 years ago—and the groups intermarry. The difference lies in their lifestyles. The point of the study is that the same gene has different effects in different settings.

I don't know whether the speculated reasons for the gene's benefits will pan out. But the benefits do seem real. And that finding suggests two things. First, we should be careful about designating diseases and disease genes. Traits that are harmful in one setting can be helpful in another. Advantages or "defects" that we think of as natural may actually be products of our cultural decisions. As Eisenberg puts it, we might "begin to view ADHD as not just a disease but something with adaptive components."

Second, our society may be the wrong place to assess a gene's evolutionary harm or benefit. As the authors note, "[N]on-industrialized or subsistence environments … may be more similar to the environments where much of human genetic evolution took place."

This doesn't mean ADHD is wonderful. Genes that promote fat storage may have been similarly advantageous in subsistence environments, but obesity is still a curse. The lesson of the Ariaal study is simply that society can adapt to genes instead of the other way around. Maybe we don't have to screen and chuck embryos for every "disease" gene, or drug the kids once they're born. Maybe we can put ADHD kids in educational settings more like the dynamic environment of our nomad forebears. And maybe we can raise kids with fat-storage genes in settings less full of food.

If it wasn't too hard for our ancestors, is it really too hard for us?
 
1) Law of Tradeoffs

2) Very thought-provoking. :up: Great post.
 
Maybe we can put ADHD kids in educational settings more like the dynamic environment of our nomad forebears. And maybe we can raise kids with fat-storage genes in settings less full of food.

Okay, so kids with ADHD can go to schools where they learn how to take care of goats and how to fight off raiders. They'll get lectures, but they will only be 5 minutes long, and typically will be on instilling fear into enemies and how to be crazy mother#$%^&&. Note taking is not allowed unless it consists of crazy doodles that have nothing to do with the lectures.
The kids with fat storing genes will go to school where they are fed carrots and have mandatory gym class 3 times a day. Instead of soda machines, the machines will sell exercize equipment and water. Oh, and the desks can be equipped with tredmills so they can walk while listening to lectures.:grin:j/k.

Although I wouldn't mind having a treadmill attached to my computer. exercise while checking out youtube? 2 birds, one stone.
 
Okay, so kids with ADHD can go to schools where they learn how to take care of goats and how to fight off raiders. They'll get lectures, but they will only be 5 minutes long, and typically will be on instilling fear into enemies and how to be crazy mother#$%^&&. Note taking is not allowed unless it consists of crazy doodles that have nothing to do with the lectures.
The kids with fat storing genes will go to school where they are fed carrots and have mandatory gym class 3 times a day. Instead of soda machines, the machines will sell exercize equipment and water. Oh, and the desks can be equipped with tredmills so they can walk while listening to lectures.:grin:j/k.

Although I wouldn't mind having a treadmill attached to my computer. exercise while checking out youtube? 2 birds, one stone.

I believe the point Saletan was making, though it was actually Dan Eisenberg of Northwestern University's point was that this disorder allowed a level of unpredictability that would be advantageous in circumstances. I can see and agree with that, there are jobs when a mind that can quickly jump around and focus on multiple issues would be an asset. The point being that the way you believe a human should function might not necessarily be what nature is intending or what might be more productive for what the future might hold.

Is it perhaps possible that humans aren't best suited and equiped for just note taking and computer typing, and that technology and the ease with which we function is perhaps taking something away while also giving back in ways of convience, speed and accessability?

There's a very good book called "Survival of the Sickest" by Dr. Sharon Moalem that makes a compelling point that society and structure has upended evolution in such a way where having "flaws and diseases" is actually advantageous in that society will focus more on your well being than a comparative person in good physical condition and therefore sickness as we view it will eventually become a more desirable genetic trait (through natural selection) than good health.
 
tl;dr. But I have to say, ADHD kids are incredibly annoying if they don't take their meds or at least try to self-censor a little. I'm friends with several, some of whom have grown out of it enough that they're no longer incredibly irritating, but a few who are just completely intolerable sometimes.
 
Is it perhaps possible that humans aren't best suited and equiped for just note taking and computer typing, and that technology and the ease with which we function is perhaps taking something away while also giving back in ways of convience, speed and accessability?
Law of Tradeoffs, damnit. :cmad: Why does nobody listen to me?

The interesting dynamic here is the involvement of technology and our modern society, and how that jives with natural ecological processes, in the context of the, "advancement," of our species.

I know that, "advancement," is a loaded term from an evolutionary standpoint, but I digress...
 

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