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WOW!! electro has always been my favorite villain! i just feel bad for him because he axcidently eletricuted some one.
 
I like the art. It relies a little more on the inks reminding me of Spider-Man Noir. It's a cool style. Electro's new look works too! And with Waid scripting, I can hardly wait for this one, glad it's coming out in a few days.

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Yeah, I'm really looking forward to The Gauntlet and I'm liking where they're taking these villains. Looks like its going to be a very fun ride.
 
I love how he's in a hoodie, a heavy overcoat, it's almost Thanksgiving and he's talking about being in the middle of the city's worst heat-wave. I found it unintentionally lulzy.
 
Wasn't there a snowstorm in the summer in another BND arc? Maybe the writers don't get out much.
 
Looking forward to this. Although I have to admit I love his original uniform. Worst Mask Ever! But he's just not Electro without it.
 
Wasn't there a snowstorm in the summer in another BND arc? Maybe the writers don't get out much.

Having lived in New York for several years, it has snowed in the summer before. Its extremely rare and but it has happened.
 
But of course it was no where near the level of the snowstorm from last year's arc... From what I can recall, it didn't even last a day. :oldrazz: :cwink:.
 
Okay, I thought I'd reveal something about this issue which I think is going to cause a LOT of problems:

Apparently, Peter DID NOT actually get drunk at Aunt May's wedding in issue #601. Michele reveals that she had secretly been giving him ginger ale all night after he had just one glass of champagne. Apparently, his blackout and hangover was attributed to his somehow "getting sick" instead.

d.
 
That makes no sense.

It gets better. Steve Wacker, in the discussion about this issue on CBR, claims that
all it takes is just ONE drink for Peter to get completely rip-roaring drunk. So apparently, he has a really, REALLY poor metabolism despite having spider powers which include enhanced self-healing.

:huh:
 
It gets better. Steve Wacker, in the discussion about this issue on CBR, claims that
all it takes is just ONE drink for Peter to get completely rip-roaring drunk. So apparently, he has a really, REALLY poor metabolism despite having spider powers which include enhanced self-healing.

:huh:

Actually, it makes PERFECT sense.

Observe.

See, everyone knows that alcohol and drugs can have devistating effects on spiders (see below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

,thus it would only make sense that a Spider-Man, a being with proportional strength, speed, etc, of a spider would have a proportional reaction to the substances that already ravage spiders so thoroughly.

It amuses me greatly that what occurs to the alcohol spider is very similiar to Peter's situation with his roommate.
 
Actually, it makes PERFECT sense.

Observe.

See, everyone knows that alcohol and drugs can have devistating effects on spiders (see below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

,thus it would only make sense that a Spider-Man, a being with proportional strength, speed, etc, of a spider would have a proportional reaction to the substances that already ravage spiders so thoroughly.

It amuses me greatly that what occurs to the alcohol spider is very similiar to Peter's situation with his roommate.

Okay
That was hilarious! "Crack Spider" :hehe: :awesome:
 
Blackout drunk on one glass of champagne??! I've long defended BND, but this might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I much preferred him just getting wasted and having a one-night stand than this poorly conceived retcon. Parents give their 10 year olds a glass of champagne at dinner parties. And Peter, with super enhanced metabolism, gets so drunk on ONE GLASS he has alcohol induced amnesia and regrettable sex? This is ludicrous. It takes away Peter's excuse for screwing Michelle that he was drunk and not thinking straight. Now he just comes off as a sober sexual deviant with poor judgement.
 
All right, here’s some further thoughts I had about this issue:

*First of all, I have to give props to Mark Waid in that he does present Electro’s new role as a “populist hero” rather well. Granted it’s a little bit heavy-handed with regards to the political aspects of the current state of the economy, but what’s good about it is that, even though we understand that Electro is still the bad guy, you can’t help but think that he’s pretty much in the right, which are usually recipes for some of the better superhero stories, I believe. Sure, the idea of a city newspaper being the only one to receive federal bailout money does seem a bit of stretch, although there certainly IS in fact legislation currently being proposed in Congress to actually provide such a bailout to struggling newspapers, and no doubt if such a thing were to actually happen, the reaction would be just as harsh by the public. Also, Electro’s new status serves a nice contrast to Spider-Man in terms of how the public views him. Just as Spidey is the hero and yet is hated and feared by the general public, Electro is a villain who is receives support and adulation from that same public who feel angry and betrayed by Wall Street, the Government, and the banks, while their jobs and 401K’s go up in smoke. It’s additionally ironic in that now the public, who thanks to a newspaper distrusted Spider-Man, now concludes he works for that same paper and thus deserves their wrath. It’s an interesting and fascinating premise.

*The one thing about Electro’s revamp, however, which doesn’t seem all that necessary is the idea that his powers are now evolving so that it’s becomes difficult for him to control, or to touch liquid, or enjoy a woman‘s company. Sure, it made sense for Electro in Ultimate Spider-Man, but it just seems unnecessarily tacked on here. Likewise, the costume change in which he now longer wears a mask and goes around bald with the mask “scarred” into his face. It’s not exactly explained why he went for this new look in the story, so again it feels superfluous. Although, maybe Waid will find good enough use for this--especially if, as I believe, it’s going to lead to Electro eventually destroying the DB.

*Another development that feels completely unnecessary is the revelation that Peter only had one glass of champagne at Aunt May’s wedding, and that, thanks to Michele, he actually got “drunk” off of ginger ale. Granted, the whole idea of Peter having a drunken hook-up with Michele was certainly a plot development I didn’t particularly like, but the scene in which Michele explains what really happened just comes across like an obvious attempt at damage control that really takes you out of the overall story (especially once you read the very lengthy defense Steve Wacker makes in the letters page). What’s more, it ends up making Michele’s behavior even worse. If she knew Peter only had one drink, was acting drunk because of “nerves” or a “cold,” and took advantage of the situation in order to have sex with him, then she comes across just shy of being a “date-rapist.” Marvel should have left this well enough alone instead of compounding matters, or least not even bother with the whole “drunken hook-up” subplot in the first place.

*I will say, though, that the art for this issue, while certainly a bit sketchy, was still fairly good. Paul Azaceta is a style, with it’s heavy shadows and minimalist forms that convey everything you need to know without cluttering up the details, that works rather well for this story, I thought. Can’t say the same about Niimura’s work in the back-up feature, though. It’s seems overly and inappropriately childish.

*Speaking of that back-up feature, there really wasn’t much to it. Mostly, it was Joe Kelly reiterating what he established in his two-part Black Cat story--that Spidey is only in this “friends with benefits” arrangement with Felicia to escape from his current problems with women (especially with Mary Jane) and is now having second thoughts. Although, Kelly did show at least why Peter would be attracted to Felicia other than just sex given how she helped the woman from the muggers. Also, I have to wonder whether or not she did actually re-learn Peter was Spider-Man and is secretly not telling him, given how her “bad luck” powers just happened to sabotage Peter and MJ having a potential get-together, how Spidey observes she “protests to much” when he tries to tell her how he met an old girlfriend, or that she just so coincidentally winds up working in the mayor’s office. As to that last one, it’s clear she’s up to no good and makes me think she’s acting as a spy for whomever her “mysterious employer” as Kelly’s revealed in the two-parter (which I‘m guessing is Mr. Negative).

So all in all, I thought the main story was good (save for those developments which didn’t add much of anything to the overall story) and the back-up was just okay. I guess I’ll see how the rest of Waid’s story plays out.
 
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I'm not liking Power to People for a couple reasons:

1) I don't get it - why turn Electro into a sympathetic character? I liked how he was more dangerous before.
2) The whole political aspect of it. Could they not invent a new character to do something like this? I don't understand why Electro cares about the bailout of the DB. He's a criminal, since when is he an honest taxpayer? It just feels like they could have created something new here, instead of using an old character. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of the gauntlet though.
3) What does this have to do with the spider people being kidnapped by Kraven's wife/daughter?
4) Pete's quip about Electro "Don't you people care he's wanted by the police?" UMM SO ARE YOU SPIDER-MAN!
5) The issue with Peter actually not drinking booze at the wedding and still getting drunk... It just seems like they didn't expect such backlash so they are trying to make it better - but wayyyy too late. Bringing it up now? Who cares, it doesn't change anything now. So much has happened since then.
 
I'm not liking Power to People for a couple reasons:

1) I don't get it - why turn Electro into a sympathetic character? I liked how he was more dangerous before.
2) The whole political aspect of it. Could they not invent a new character to do something like this? I don't understand why Electro cares about the bailout of the DB. He's a criminal, since when is he an honest taxpayer? It just feels like they could have created something new here, instead of using an old character. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of the gauntlet though.
3) What does this have to do with the spider people being kidnapped by Kraven's wife/daughter?
4) Pete's quip about Electro "Don't you people care he's wanted by the police?" UMM SO ARE YOU SPIDER-MAN!
5) The issue with Peter actually not drinking booze at the wedding and still getting drunk... It just seems like they didn't expect such backlash so they are trying to make it better - but wayyyy too late. Bringing it up now? Who cares, it doesn't change anything now. So much has happened since then.

1. I guess it's to make the dilemna Spider-Man faces a bit more problematic, in that, on some level, Electro is somewhat in the right, even though he's clearly using his own financial hardships to exploit the public
2. True. It really could have been any B-list villain, I suppose. Adrian Toomes would have also worked.
3. I'm guessing we're only going to find out at the end, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were the one's who rigged it so Electro lost all of his savings.
4. HA!
5. It's a classic case of trying to fill up the hole but instead digging themselves in deeper.
 
I miss the old days of good vs evil. I'm actually getting a more classic Spider-man vibe from Kirkman Invincible. Super heroes bore the crap outta me. GIVE ME ACTION AND ADVENTURE BACK!!!
 
I'm not digging the new look for Electro, but overall the story was good.
 

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