Comics ASM 614 preview and discussion

All right, here is what I thought about this issue:

*The good thing was we got a very good Spider-Man and Electro fight sequence out of this issue. Course, we knew it was coming eventually and sure, it wasn’t like Spidey and Electro hadn’t tangled in the past before. But there were three things here that Waid used which I think made their fight worthwhile. One was the fact that Spider-Man pre-planning actually involved a simple but clever way to stop someone who could essentially turn himself into living lightning. Another was that, given it WAS Jonah’s old Daily Bugle building, he ironically aided Spider-Man via his Anti-Spider Squad. And that Electro’s frustration was borne out of the fact that he genuinely saw himself as the hero this time around.

*Also, I didn’t particularly mind Azaceta’s art at all. Sure, it still seems a bit stiff and sketchy, but I did think it was pretty effective showing Electro’s lightning effects contrasted against the darkened scenes within the Daily Bugle during Spidey’s and Electro’s battle--and with Dave Stewart's coloring the night time action--it demonstrated some very nice contrasting between the light and shadow effects.

*Of course, we obviously cannot talk about this issue without the destruction of the Daily Bugle. It is certainly a staple of Spider-Man comics going all the way back practically to Amazing Spider-Man #1, I believe, so it certainly can be seen as historic to see it go. Without question, the most effective panel was the one which showed J. Jonah Jameson, as Spidey was helping get Dexter Bennet to the paramedics and the police officer motioning everyone to stay back, standing alone amidst the falling dust and paper, and looking at what had happened in the previous panel--his beloved Daily Bugle imploding. However…

*With regards to the actual destruction itself, this was completely and utterly predictable. It didn’t help matters that Marvel pretty much telegraphed the Daily Bugle’s demise for months, but whatever emotional connection we were supposed to feel for it’s literal and financial collapse was no longer there by the time it actually happened. After all, Peter (as he even alludes to in the story) hasn’t worked there for about a year and a half real time, most of the supporting cast who worked in the Daily Bugle, save Betty Brant, have moved on to other jobs, and quite frankly, and technically, the Daily Bugle was gone the moment it got renamed as the DB anyway (and I’m glad to see Dexter Bennet finally get pretty much written out of the comic--and in a creative way, mind you--as he was certainly another example of a supporting character who offered next to nothing interesting to the series). Also, it’s a sure bet that, within a few years time, Jameson is no longer going to be mayor and will once again be a media mogul with an all new and revamped Daily Bugle anyway? So it really doesn’t seem like as big of a loss as it’s made out to be.

*And speaking of which, the scene with Peter and Betty overlooking the remains of the Daily Bugle had to have been one of the most heavy-handed moments I have ever read this year in Amazing Spider-Man. I understand it’s supposed to be bittersweet for the two of them given all the history they had together within that place. But as I said, because we all knew it was going to happen and because Peter no longer had been involved with the Bugle, it felt overdone to me. Especially when Peter talks about what Betty was wearing the day he met her and how newspapers are in decline. Then it gets compounded with the whole business of how Electro was once a “C-lister” and imaging what would happen if his other enemies “leveled up” in an oh so obvious attempt at hyping up future stories within the Gauntlet.

So all in all, I’d have to say this was the best issue out of what was a pretty average arc to be honest. Not to mention a fairly mediocre start to the whole Gauntlet storyline. Hopefully, Van Lente’s Sandman story will kick things up a notch. But, if it follows the pattern this story took, I’m really starting to wonder if the Gauntlet will just end up becoming derivative.
 
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Yawn. The Daily Bugle was already destroyed in 'The Final Chapter' which itself was a terribly shoddy story. Not to mention the numerous other times the Bugle has had incredible damage wrought on it (like in Maximum Clonage and Revelations).

Wake me when Spidey comics stop rehashing the same tired ideas over and over again.... Electro powered up? Seen it ('Light the Night', ASM #425). Daily Bugle destroyed? Cliched now.


Not impressed. Fast fading on Spidey.
 
Yawn. The Daily Bugle was already destroyed in 'The Final Chapter' which itself was a terribly shoddy story. Not to mention the numerous other times the Bugle has had incredible damage wrought on it (like in Maximum Clonage and Revelations).

Wake me when Spidey comics stop rehashing the same tired ideas over and over again.... Electro powered up? Seen it ('Light the Night', ASM #425). Daily Bugle destroyed? Cliched now.


Not impressed. Fast fading on Spidey.

Aloha,
As I'm reading the Gauntlet, the theme of this arc is that villains who were second rate maybe /are getting Powered up.While not the newest idea, the introduction of
Mrs Kraven and Chameleon
, makes things very new.Here's the issue that I have with your criticism. All of the comics that you quoted as having done these things before are no less than 10 year old.How much of the current readership have any idea of those stories?Example-did you know that the new USA network show White Collar is very similar to the 1960's tv show"It Takes a Thief with Robert Wagner?The more you watch movies, tv or read comics, the more you will be able to see similarities in stories. I think fresh new ideas are GREAT! but there's very little new under the sun these days.:csad:
Spidey rules
 
Once again, I find myself in complete agreement with our beloved Mr. Thomas. It's really, really hard to take a character who exists within a universe that never ages and truly do a lot of new & fresh stuff. Even the events of 10 years ago tend to be recycled ideas from 20 years ago, but as DT points out, the readership tends to change over time so for each new generation of readers it becomes "fresh" again. Even most of the "new" heroes are basically rip-offs or re-doings of earlier heroes. And if you take the "big four" super hero archetypes (Superman, Batman, Captain America & Spider-Man), pretty much every other hero that exists owes a debt to one of these four. And each of these characters in turn has a counterpart in earlier literature. Probably the only original idea sprouted from some dude sitting in a cave in Africa paiting graphic novels on cave walls! And he probably stole his ideas from his neighbors.

What I look for, maybe the best anyone can hope for, is an interesting story that's well told and has cool art. And that's ok with me. Shakespeare's Hamlet has been made into countless movies, TV shows, books, and even comic books. The folks who "rehash" this old idea, but do so in a novel way thats well written and provide us some sort of an insight into are own lives wind up being the stories that matter. Or whatever.

In the words of the ever-luvin' DT, Spidey rules and DT is one of his apostles. ;)
 

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