Batman: Arkham City

[Two-Face]

It's not just about the look. Arkham City Two-Face has goons who dress like him, he's arguing with himself, he'll probably refer to himself as 'we' too.Seriously, it is like they have taken every aspect of the character that I hate and put it in this one game.

I don't like to be negative about this kind of thing, but damn. They're not giving me much to hope for. Plus, with one sleeve he looks utterly ridiculous.

So does The Riddler, The Joker but that doesn't matter. If they get the character right and the look is from Nolanverse in my opinion.

 

[ronny]

So does The Riddler, The Joker but that doesn't matter. If they get the character right and the look is from Nolanverse in my opinion.

But they've not got the character right because Two-Face is the kind of villain who looks down on Joker's showmanship. In The Long Halloween he doesn't have a vat of acid to drop Falcone in, he simply shoots him in the head. Cold, ruthless, precise.

Ever read Faces? All the people working for him in that story were blackmailed or threatened into doing it. Two-Face is a manipulator and takes himself very seriously. Why do you think he and The Joker hate each other so much? Because they really could not be more different.

Giving Two-Face goons who dress like him simply doesn't fit who he is or how he operates. It's way too bombastic, when he always seems to be about practicality.
At the rate it's going, he's probably going to try and kill Batman with a giant coin

 

[Spoonman]

I like the look of two-face, what I'm not very convinced yet is that it seems they half sumerged him in a vat of acid, whats with his left arm being like that? but oh well...

 

[DeathRaven]

Im pretty excited about the calendar man and Riddler showing up in the game, but most of all I want to see how they pull of Black Mask and how much involvement he will have in the story. Heres to hoping the false facers are in the game!

Two face looks fine, aside from his arm being all weird it could be way worse. I think there trying to stay away from The Dark Knight, and lean more towards BTAS interpretation. I just really hope they don't go toward him having to do things in double, I always felt that was over played and over done...but maybe thats just me?!

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

Wait... What about Killer Croc?! and Bane?!! I sure hope Quincy Sharp is smart about this! because letting Killer Croc and Bane go loose with only the rule "Don't Escape" is a very bad idea! But I'm just joking around here, they probably won't even be in the game.

 

[IndyJokerJones]

But I'm just joking around here, they probably won't even be in the game.

Remember the ending to the first game where randomly one of the three of them, Scarecrow included, would grab onto the crate of Titan? That may just reappear in this game so it's quite possible we get a Titan powered Croc.

 

[theman]

is it true this game is coming out NEXT fall? i thought this was gonna be maybe this januray. this is gonna be a loooong wait.

 

[The Joker]

is it true this game is coming out NEXT fall? i thought this was gonna be maybe this januray. this is gonna be a loooong wait.

It's true

 

[theman]

was anyone else reminded of Con Air when playing AA? like the inmates taking over the place, with all the "big name" criminals being there along with all the other thugs who follow there orders. the begining of both have the big criminal(s) being transported to the maximum security when all of a sudden all hell breaks loose, and both joker and cyrus planned this long in advance. the game kinda reminded me of it, and the way batman is like poe, trying to get things back under police command but the villians keep getting one up each time until the end. and of course joker and cyris both have the most hilarious lines lol.

 

[IndyJokerJones]

and of course joker and cyris both have the most hilarious lines lol.

 

[theman]

t:

 

[theman]

also, does anyone know any stores that may still carry stradegy guides for AA? i have looked and cant seem to find any in stores.

 

[RustyCage]

Gotta say, even though I loved the first game, I'm still put off by the Gears of Batman look. Blegh.

Also, TwoFace looks like a dope - and why is he so.. bloated and glossy looking on his supposed-to-be-burned-looking side? Looks a bit like one of those jazzy California raisins.

 

[ALP]

But they've not got the character right because Two-Face is the kind of villain who looks down on Joker's showmanship. In The Long Halloween he doesn't have a vat of acid to drop Falcone in, he simply shoots him in the head. Cold, ruthless, precise.

Ever read Faces? All the people working for him in that story were blackmailed or threatened into doing it. Two-Face is a manipulator and takes himself very seriously. Why do you think he and The Joker hate each other so much? Because they really could not be more different.

Giving Two-Face goons who dress like him simply doesn't fit who he is or how he operates. It's way too bombastic, when he always seems to be about practicality.
At the rate it's going, he's probably going to try and kill Batman with a giant coin

Well that honestly wouldn't surprise me considering in the first game the Joker's master scheme was to basically become Bane. The games are awesome but some of the characterizations are simply a bit daft in places.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Well that honestly wouldn't surprise me considering in the first game the Joker's master scheme was to basically become Bane. The games are awesome but some of the characterizations are simply a bit daft in places.

No. I hated the final boss battle too, but the whole point of Joker's scheme was to drive Batman insane, and it failed. Then, he tried to get him on Titan to show the world (specifically, the Jack Ryder News helicopter) that the Bat was as much of a monster as he was. That failed too, so his last, desperate attempt was to drug himself in Titan and kill Batman while showing off for the cameras.

 

[RustyCage]

No. I hated the final boss battle too, but the whole point of Joker's scheme was to drive Batman insane, and it failed. Then, he tried to get him on Titan to show the world (specifically, the Jack Ryder News helicopter) that the Bat was as much of a monster as he was. That failed too, so his last, desperate attempt was to drug himself in Titan and kill Batman while showing off for the cameras.

Well put. It's important to look at the finale with proper perspective, even if it seems a bit ridiculous that he's all Baney.

 

[ronny]

That still annoys me. Because it indicates that they didn't think that Joker was enough of a physical threat on his own. Which he absolutely is.
They got the best villain in the history of...anything and at the end, at the final confrontation, they pump him with steroids. Pathetic.

I just hope he's got a better boss fight in this game. The fact that he's using a sniper rifle may indicate that they are taking inspiration from the Soft Targets story in Gotham Central. Joker basically went out at Christmas and started sniping people whilst broadcasting webcam footage of what he was doing. Amazing story, one of the best Joker stories ever written. And I hope they take some inspiration from that.

And please, please put a sleeve on Two-Face's arm, and maybe a glove on his bad hand. Just SOMETHING to make him look less ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Earle]

How exactly is the Joker a physical threat to Batman? You have to understand that this is a videogame so the plot wont always make perfect sense because it has to facilitate for all those things we expect in videogames, like boss battles. The final boss had to be the joker but how could they possibly do that when he is no match for Batman? Not that fighting his goons and then pulling him with the batclaw was that special, but anyway.

As for Two-Face's goons, the game will have goons from various gangs so there needs to be a way to tell them apart. I hear that instead of taking pics of the scenery to solve the Riddler's puzzles, this time you'll be interrogating his goons, and doing much more complex stuff that what you did in AA.

 

[ronny]

Joker could kill almost anyone he wanted to. There's a reason he's the most feared character in the DC universe. Consider the fact that during almost all his fights with Batman, part of him is just toying with Batman - not fighting at full force because he doesn't actually want to kill him.
But yes, he actually is a very real threat to almost anyone. Because he's a dirty fighter, unpredictable and bat**** insane. He's not a weakling at all, and to suggest otherwise is flat out stupid.

If he was a pathetically weak fighter who could be taken out in one punch, he'd be about as threatening as Scarecrow or Riddler - who beneath their gimmicks are nothing but wimpy misantrhopes.
But Joker is at the level where he can take anyone on. And you don't get that kind of reputation by being a pushover. Some writers do show him as having ab****ely no threshold for pain, I'll give you that. But in other stories, like The Killing Joke, he actually fights Batman toe-to-toe with some success.

The key is this: Joker is in no way, shape or form afraid of Batman. Not one bit, not at all. So to pump him full of steroids, as if he needed it, is uterly ridiculous. It's stupid, it's really bloody stupid. I won't say that it ruined the game, because it didn't. But that was perhaps the worst ending to a classic game that I could ever imagine.

This guy crippled Batgirl, he beat Robin to death and shot Gordon's wife in the head as if he were swatting away a fly. And they pump him full of steroids. Stupid.

 

[The Joker]

How exactly is the Joker a physical threat to Batman? You have to understand that this is a videogame so the plot wont always make perfect sense because it has to facilitate for all those things we expect in videogames, like boss battles. The final boss had to be the joker but how could they possibly do that when he is no match for Batman? Not that fighting his goons and then pulling him with the batclaw was that special, but anyway.

Exactly right. Mr Earle got the memo this time

Joker isn't Batman's most dangerous enemy because he can go toe to toe with Batman in a fight. Only a handful of Batman's enemies can do that, like Bane, Croc, Clayface, Catwoman etc. Those who are strength enhanced, or monsters, or have martial arts training.

Joker is none of those.

 

[The Joker]

Whoops double post

 

[ronny]

Exactly right. Mr Earle got the memo this time

Joker isn't Batman's most dangerous enemy because he can go toe to toe with Batman in a fight. Only a handful of Batman's enemies can do that, like Bane, Croc, Clayface, Catwoman etc. Those who are strength enhanced, or monsters, or have martial arts training.

Joker is none of those.

Sure, he's not a martial artist, but if he wanted to, he could probably kill any one of those people you mentioned with his eyes closed.
Like I said, he's absolutely fearless. He doesn't care if he dies or not, so he can push himself to levels where guys like Bane never reach.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Sure, he's not a martial artist, but if he wanted to, he could probably kill any one of those people you mentioned with his eyes closed.
Like I said, he's absolutely fearless. He doesn't care if he dies or not, so he can push himself to levels where guys like Bane never reach.

So if Joker and Bane get locked up in an empty room your money's on the Joker?

Joker could kill almost anyone he wanted to. There's a reason he's the most feared character in the DC universe. Consider the fact that during almost all his fights with Batman, part of him is just toying with Batman - not fighting at full force because he doesn't actually want to kill him.
But yes, he actually is a very real threat to almost anyone. Because he's a dirty fighter, unpredictable and bat**** insane. He's not a weakling at all, and to suggest otherwise is flat out stupid.

Have you read any Batman comics? Once his plans are foiled and Batman catches him, it takes 10 seconds for half of his teeth to drop on the floor. Every time.

This guy crippled Batgirl,

Give me a gun and the element of surprise and i can cripple anyone.

shot Gordon's wife in the head as if he were swatting away a fly.

I'm sure only the best fighters in the world can shoot Gordon's wife.

 

[The Joker]

Sure, he's not a martial artist, but if he wanted to, he could probably kill any one of those people you mentioned with his eyes closed.

Explain to me how he could walk up to someone like Bane and kill him with his eyes closed. Because if he can do that, then he's bigger physical threat to Batman than Bane is.

Like I said, he's absolutely fearless. He doesn't care if he dies or not, so he can push himself to levels where guys like Bane never reach.

Are you seriously saying Joker without the venom steroid could be stronger than Bane?

 

[ronny]

Not physically stronger. But certainly far more dangerous. And I find it hard to reconcile Joker being Batman's most dangerous enemy with him being a weakling who needs steroids to win a fight.
It doesn't make much sense to me.

As I said, throughout almost every run-in with Batman, Joker is toying with him. And yet he is still able to take him to the absolute limit every time. If he decided to seriously try and murder Batman, I think he could do it. And a man with his reputation and sheer level of evil could indeed kill Bane pretty easily. It just doesn't gel that someone so twisted and deadly could be decked in one punch.

Physical strength isn't as important as an ability to accept physical pain and just keep coming. And Joker is far more determined and driven than any other villain in the Batman universe.