Batman: Arkham City

[Mr. Earle]

Not physically stronger. But certainly far more dangerous. And I find it hard to reconcile Joker being Batman's most dangerous enemy with him being a weakling who needs steroids to win a fight.
It doesn't make much sense to me.

What are you, ten? "The joker is the best villain so he is the best at everything."
You do know that Ras is the biggest villain in scale in Batman's rogues gallery, Bane the strongest/best fighter, Riddler the smartest, and Joker the craziest/most random.

As I said, throughout almost every run-in with Batman, Joker is toying with him. And yet he is still able to take him to the absolute limit every time.

He brought him to his limits just fine in TDK without engaging in combat, and to be able to stand against him he needed dogs, luck and a lot of plot armor.
Are you forgetting that Batman is in the top 5 best fighters in the world?

If he decided to seriously try and murder Batman, I think he could do it.

He could, but not in a fist fight.

It just doesn't gel that someone so twisted and deadly could be decked in one punch.

I'm sure you know Lex Luthor. He is an evil bastard isnt he? I bet that with your logic that means he can take down Brainiac.

Physical strength isn't as important as an ability to accept physical pain and just keep coming.

Yeah, i'm sure that the man that broke Batman's back and whose venom gives him superhuman speed, stamina to endure Batman's punches will be hurt if the Joker punches him.

And Joker is far more determined and driven than any other villain in the Batman universe.

And now i know that you are Harley Quinn. Seriously Harley, get some therapy.

 

[ronny]

Are the insults really necessary? You have a very low opinion of me and I don't really see what I've done to deserve it.
Is it my fault that Joker has been portrayed as Batman's most dangerous enemy?
I'm just saying that the concept of him as Batman's deadliest, most callous foe does not gel with this bizarre notion of him being a physical wreck.
You are correct, in a straight up fist-fight Joker could be beaten by a lot of people. Batman, Two-Face, Bane, maybe even Penguin.
But I still think he's enough of a physical threat to hold his own. And that's not me being a fanboy, because I'm not, that's just me trying to avoid boiling this character down to a guy who can get beaten with one good punch.

To be honest with you. The main problem I have is that by making him physically inferior, I feel it takes away from the aspect of the character that makes him completely indifferent to his own fate. Him being so fragile makes him a minor annoyance, not a recurring danger that people are terrified of.

As a comic reader I just have a hard time buying him as a threat if some random man on the street could stove his head in. I mean, why do the other villains fear this guy if any one of them could beat him at any time?

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

But you're operating under the flawed assumption that physical attributes are equal to levels of dangerousness, which is a fallacy. The Joker is nimble, but ultimately weak in comparison to other rogues, even Two-Face, whose biggest benefit until recent years was working out and knowing basic self-defense. The Joker is not a threat because he can physically beat people, just as the incredibly vague argument that he can kill other rogues or DC characters because "He's freakin' insane" and "has all sorts of tricks up his sleeves" is a weak argument. Heck, the Joker by all standards is perfectly sane, it is rare for him to actually show real qualities of mental illness in a comic.

The Joker is a threat because he is a schemer. He plans things out far in advance, he's excellent at manipulating people and has attained a level of fear in the populace that most people will make chicken noises if he told them to. He pushes Batman to his physical limit by employing others, pulling the switcheroo, placing an irritating prank here, endless distraction there. It is only when Batman gets past all that that he can take Joker out in 10 seconds.

Oh, and a clarification; Joker is not unpredictable. He's not. He's almost never been. He's probably the MOST predictable villain in Batman's entire rogues gallery. Many characters in Batman stories insist that he is, but just look at his history - Someone makes a Joker themed amusement park, Joker tries to blow it up. Someone tries to make a movie featuring the Joker, he kills the director. A man professes how he's a fan of the Joker, Joker kills him. Its Christmas time, Joker blows up a toy store. New Years Eve, where's the biggest crowd? Expect a Joker attack there. New comedy exhibit? He'll steal from it.

Its why I wish more stories were like The Laughing Fish, where no one could've seen that weird plan coming because it made NO sense.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Are the insults really necessary? You have a very low opinion of me and I don't really see what I've done to deserve it.
Is it my fault that Joker has been portrayed as Batman's most dangerous enemy?
I'm just saying that the concept of him as Batman's deadliest, most callous foe does not gel with this bizarre notion of him being a physical wreck.
You are correct, in a straight up fist-fight Joker could be beaten by a lot of people. Batman, Two-Face, Bane, maybe even Penguin.
But I still think he's enough of a physical threat to hold his own. And that's not me being a fanboy, because I'm not, that's just me trying to avoid boiling this character down to a guy who can get beaten with one good punch.

To be honest with you. The main problem I have is that by making him physically inferior, I feel it takes away from the aspect of the character that makes him completely indifferent to his own fate. Him being so fragile makes him a minor annoyance, not a recurring danger that people are terrified of.

As a comic reader I just have a hard time buying him as a threat if some random man on the street could stove his head in. I mean, why do the other villains fear this guy if any one of them could beat him at any time?

First of all, sorry about the insults, i just got infuriated because i thought it was fairly obvious.

Anyway, the Joker can die from a simple gunshot just like Batman. He is Batman's deadliest foe because he is the craziest, the most random and difficult to predict, the trickiest, the one who cares the least about human life. Like Alfred in TDK said, bargaining or intimidating him doesnt work. Other than that he can sustain as much injury as any normal man and as for fighting, he has some tricks and gadgets up his sleeve, he can play nasty, but at the end of the day he is nothing to a trained fighter.

Why does he have to be a real physical threat anyway? It was never about "oh no, the joker might beat me up", it was always about saving others from his schemes, his poisons and his traps. Villains who pose physical threats to Batman are Ras, Bane, Croc, Hush, Jason Todd, Ivy (through her plants), Harley (just a little though), etc.

 

[Robin's Holyisms]

*In the shot with the "Vicki Vale Show" billboard, the giant cat's head from Max Schreck's department store (Or a dilapidated version of it) is visible just over Batman's shoulders.

Credit goes to the guys at Gamefaqs, Eidos, and Arkham City.uk

 

[TX85]

Credit goes to the guys at Gamefaqs, Eidos, and Arkham City.uk

Great shots!

 

[The Caped Knight]

Catwoman Confirmed as Playable Character in Batman: Arkham City

In anticipation of E3, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment and DC Entertainment are excited to announce that Catwoman is a fully playable character in Batman: Arkham City on all platforms for which the game will be available: Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft, Games for Windows PC and the PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system.

As Catwoman, players will have a chance to indulge in their darker side and explore Arkham City as the infamous feline femme fatale. Complete with her own storyline in the main game, Catwoman’s adventure complements Batman’s central role and is seamlessly interwoven with his main story arc. She will also be playable in the challenge maps with her own unique combat moves, gadgetry and signature 'takedowns'.

Batman: Arkham City builds upon the intense, atmospheric foundation of Batman: Arkham Asylum, sending players soaring into Arkham City – five times larger than the game world in Batman: Arkham Asylum – and the new maximum security “home” for all of Gotham City’s thugs, gangsters and insane criminal masterminds. Set inside the heavily fortified walls of a sprawling district in the heart of Gotham City, this highly anticipated sequel introduces a brand-new story that draws together a new, all-star cast of classic characters and murderous villains from the Batman universe, as well as a vast range of new and enhanced gameplay features to deliver the ultimate experience as the Dark Knight.

Batman: Arkham City is based on DC Comics’ core Batman license. Fans can visit www.batmanarkhamcity.com to sign up to receive updates regarding the game and join the discussion on the recently launched community site at http://community.batmanarkhamcity.com to participate in forums, read upcoming developer diaries and stay abreast of all the latest Batman: Arkham City news.

 

[The Joker]

I'm stoked we're going to be able to plays as Catwoman. I love her look in the game.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'm stoked we're going to be able to plays as Catwoman. I love her look in the game.

I agree.

 

[EliteF50]

Do you guys remember those awesome villain vignettes Eidos made for Arkham Asylum? Well, I really hope WB makes some for Arkham City. They were a great way to announce and show off the villains.

Here's my version of what Two-Face's villain trailer would look like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTENvKuuNA

Obviously it should be more fleshed out, but we've got very little footage of Dent so far, so... yeah.

 

[Knight Rise]

Be prepared to play the game one handed.

im prepared: ive got a joystick

 

[batpirisss]

Catwoman looks awesome!

 

[Grommers]

First of all, sorry about the insults, i just got infuriated because i thought it was fairly obvious.

Anyway, the Joker can die from a simple gunshot just like Batman. He is Batman's deadliest foe because he is the craziest, the most random and difficult to predict, the trickiest, the one who cares the least about human life. Like Alfred in TDK said, bargaining or intimidating him doesnt work. Other than that he can sustain as much injury as any normal man and as for fighting, he has some tricks and gadgets up his sleeve, he can play nasty, but at the end of the day he is nothing to a trained fighter.

Why does he have to be a real physical threat anyway? It was never about "oh no, the joker might beat me up", it was always about saving others from his schemes, his poisons and his traps. Villains who pose physical threats to Batman are Ras, Bane, Croc, Hush, Jason Todd, Ivy (through her plants), Harley (just a little though), etc.

I think the hardest part to determine that makes Joker the most scariest is his motives...nobody really knows what they are, it feels like its just to get bats attention and everyone elses around him. He says one thing, but does another. His motive's behind any change on the fly. I mean look at the titan formula in the first game. He goes from first wanting it to build an army, to just getting on TV and show himself breaking the bat. TWO totally different schemes. I find him the most interesting because he adapts to the situation with just as evil scheme as the first one.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Anybody else hear about the 2 Best Buy preorder exclusive Robin challenge maps?

 

[Karelia]

I hope the Robin is DG, and he's about 16 in it. That'd be cool. I was really hoping for Nightwing, but oh well. Maybe he'll become DLC in the future.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Anybody else hear about the 2 Best Buy preorder exclusive Robin challenge maps?

Yes

Hi all,

We are pleased to announce that Robin will be a fully playable character in the new and improved challenge mode in Batman: Arkham City.

Pre-order with selected retailers to gain exclusive early access!

For those of you who are interested this will be the Tim Drake Robin

More details to follow next week guys!!!!!!!Trust me it will rock your socks off and BLOW YOUR MIND!!

SarahMay

http://community.batmanarkhamcity.com/forums/showthread.php/1200-Robin-in-Batman-Arkham-City

 

[Mr. Earle]

Goddamn Drake!

 

[Godzilla2014]

I hope the Robin is DG, and he's about 16 in it. That'd be cool. I was really hoping for Nightwing, but oh well. Maybe he'll become DLC in the future.

Nope, it's apparently Tim Drake.

Yes


http://community.batmanarkhamcity.com/forums/showthread.php/1200-Robin-in-Batman-Arkham-City

Cool.

Goddamn Drake!

What, do you not like Tim Drake?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah i do. I was just hoping for Damian.

 

[jaganar]

if the story is as good as AA i cant wait.
my only gripe and some of you may not like it , is im curious if Joker will kidnap Tim and mindFRAK him like he did in BB:rotj . scaring him enough to become a twisted shell of himself.

AC is a game i cant wait for , i even have 2 copies of AA , greatest hits version and GOTY edition with the 3d-motion cover.

the fact that they got 2face (rich from night court) is awsome , unlike AA i hope they do something that never happens in video games, the villans get a change of costume, how can u NOT see Harvey without 2 separate designs , its unthinkable and ( in my mind ) out of character.

LOL , hugo

im remembering the Btas episode where at the end everyone beats him to kingdom come t:t:t:

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yeah i do. I was just hoping for Damian.

I don't think that Damian would work as well, because the game is about Bruce Wayne as Batman, not Dick Grayson as Batman, so Damian would make it into a literal Father/Son thing that would seem to come out of nowhere (if he is in the story), plus he's kind of obscure.

 

[Mr. Earle]

From September onwards he will be Bruce's Robin. I thought that with this whole effort to make things simpler for new readers they'd use the same Robin that will appear in the monthly books.

Also, fans know him by now while casual fans wont even know Tim anyway. But its ok i guess. If its just for 2 challenges Tim is fine too, but if Robin was a playable character in the main game, i'd like Damian if only for his quotes and attitude. Just imagine this: You re about to fight 10 thugs and he says "i'll put you in a wheelchair" and whips out a crowbar. Lol!

 

[Two-Face]

Yeah but this is Arkhamverse Barb is Oracle as we saw in AA so Dick is Nightwing and Tim is Robin hence we that's why we will play Tim in the challenge mode. I was hoping for Nightwing instead but here we go I'm happy with playing as Tim and it's two challenge modes anyway.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

Here is something familiar I noticed on the Arkham City cover art

 

[Godzilla2014]

From September onwards he will be Bruce's Robin. I thought that with this whole effort to make things simpler for new readers they'd use the same Robin that will appear in the monthly books.

Also, fans know him by now while casual fans wont even know Tim anyway. But its ok i guess. If its just for 2 challenges Tim is fine too, but if Robin was a playable character in the main game, i'd like Damian if only for his quotes and attitude. Just imagine this: You re about to fight 10 thugs and he says "i'll put you in a wheelchair" and whips out a crowbar. Lol!

Tim Drake was in The New Batman Adventures, so he has a little more exposure. The thing about if Damien were in the main game is that I think it would feel kind of weird if they revealed that Robin is Bruce Wayne's son that we never saw before (in the Arkham Asylum continuity), unless that was actually incorporated into the story, which I don't think is the story they want to tell.

Here is something familiar I noticed on the Arkham City cover art

Weird.