Black Panther #27 - Marvel Zombies

[Horrorfan]

Says it all. I'm not a fan of BP, but love MZ, so might have to check it out....

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=109080

 

[The Geek Vault]

Cool! I saw an alternate cover where they are all zombies!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hudlin's Black Panther sucks so I'm willing to bet that Hudlin's Marvel Zombies will suck

 

[The Geek Vault]

Why does priest not come back?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I didn't like BP under Priest... I like it under Hudlin. So I'm happy

 

[La The Darkman]

Why does priest not come back?

He doesn't write comics anymore. He seemed to feel like he was being boxed in creatively (if I remember what I read correctly). Also during his run on Black Panther he suffered many of the same criticisms from fans that Hudlin does now.

 

[Darthphere]

I didn't like BP under Priest... I like it under Hudlin. So I'm happy

You also like The Draco, so yes, your taste is horrible. I love you anyway.

 

[Darthphere]

Also during his run on Black Panther he suffered many of the same criticisms from fans that Hudlin does now.

Wow, that couldn't be further from the proof.

 

[Joker]

the marvel zombies universe crossing into the 616 doesnt even make sense really...the MZ universe takes place in the same multi-verse as the Ultimate Marvel universe, which is a totally seperate muti-verse than the 616 exists in...unless they've now change there minds about that, and we could now expect a 616/Ultimate cross-over in the future.

 

[Darthphere]

the marvel zombies universe crossing into the 616 doesnt even make sense really...the MZ universe takes place in the same multi-verse as the Ultimate Marvel universe, which is a totally seperate muti-verse than the 616 exists in...unless they've now change there minds about that, and we could now expect a 616/Ultimate cross-over in the future.

Um no. Yes, the Ultimate Fantastic Four crossedover into the Zombie Universe but that doesn't make it exclusive to the Ultimate Universe. It's a completely separate universe that is now crossing over with the 616 Universe.

 

[Joker]

a completly seperate univers where all of the marvel characters became zombified and then got the power cosmic just like they did in the Zombie universe introduced in the Ultimate series???

 

[Darthphere]

a completly seperate univers where all of the marvel characters became zombified and then got the power cosmic just like they did in the Zombie universe introduced in the Ultimate series???

It doesn't matter where it was introduced. It's a whole independent universe. The Ultimate Universe is currently crossing over with the Supreme Power universe, by your infallible logic that means that Squadron Supreme can never crossover with 616.

Pluis, they got the power cosmic in the actual Marvel Zombies mini.

 

[jaydawg]

The concept of Marvel Zombies has already been beaten into the ground... so how exactly is pretty much the worst comic book "writer" at Marvel going to make them interesting? Its like twice the dosages of suck you normally get with Black Panther.

 

[Joker]

It doesn't matter where it was introduced. It's a whole independent universe. The Ultimate Universe is currently crossing over with the Supreme Power universe, by your infallible logic that means that Squadron Supreme can never crossover with 616.

Pluis, they got the power cosmic in the actual Marvel Zombies mini.

yes, in the marvel zombies mini that started at the exact second we left that universe in Ultimate F4...look, it's not my fault that marvel have said on countless times that the Ultimate Universe and 616 exisist in totally seperate mutli-verses and will never crossover, and are now pretty much saying "oh yeah, nevermind that"

 

[Darthphere]

yes, in the marvel zombies mini that started at the exact second we left that universe in Ultimate F4...look, it's not my fault that marvel have said on countless times that the Ultimate Universe and 616 exisist in totally seperate mutli-verses and will never crossover, and are now pretty much saying "oh yeah, nevermind that"

They said that 616 and Ultimate would never crossover, again the Zombie Universe has been established as it's own universe. Just because it premiered in Ultimate Fantastic Four doesn't mean its exclusive to Ultimate. Wow, you're stupid.

 

[La The Darkman]

Wow, that couldn't be further from the proof.

Yes, Priests work on Black Panther is critically acclaimed and looked at as the definitive version of the character. But fans also complained about BP always winning, seeming invincible and being too powerful....Hudlin BP gets the same criticisms despite his BP being a wimp compared to Priest's.

 

[Zoken]

In regards to the 616-MZ-Ultimate problem as far as universes go... this isn't like it's the first time this has become a problem. You people just don't read Exiles.

MZ Wolverine was recruited onto a team of Wolverines from across the multiverse which included Albert and Elsie-Dee, MZ Wolvie, Patch, Future-Past, Weapon X, and young James Howlett. They were recruited because the Time Breakers had fired the Exiles and were trying to do things their way. Their way was to send in wave after wave of Wolverines at the problem... which was a problem because the Wolverines kept getting mind-controlled by a Scarlet Witch-Magneto-Master-Mind-Quicksilver-Wolverine amalgamation. so it eventually became that group of Wolverines and the Exiles Vs. an Army of Canuk Cuisinarts.

The point being, the MZ universe has already crossed over into 616 by doing that.

furthermore, the Ultimate Universe seems to have different rules when it comes to inter-dimensional travel. there have to alignments and special circumstances. so the fact may be that it may be impossible for the Ultimate Universe and the 616 to ever properly align.

and I decided to buy this BP issue for the sole reason of the fact that it lead into a MZ crossover. I dislike the BP/Storm pair, and I dislike BP leading the Fantastic Four.

 

[supermarvelman]

I think originally Marvel wanted the 616 and Ultimate Universes to be in seperate Multiverses, as seperate as Marvel and DC but I think they have simply just changed there mind about that, mainly because the Marvel Zombies debut was in the Ultimate Universe and they wanna use them in more crossovers, involving the 616 Universe.

Before they changed there minds I figured that the Supreme Power Universe was in the same Multiverse as the Ultimate Universe, which would explain why they could crossover. I also assumed that NewUniversal would've been in the same Multiverse as the Ultimate Universe and Supreme Universe.

I dont mind if they changed there minds about the 616 and Ultimate universes being in seperate Multiverses, because I would personally love to see the 616 crossover with Ultimate, or see the Exiles crossover with the Marvel Zombies or Ultimate Universe, or see the original Squadren Supreme crossover with Supreme Power Universe, it would be like Earth 1 and Earth 2 of DC.

 

[Darthphere]

Yes, Priests work on Black Panther is critically acclaimed and looked at as the definitive version of the character. But fans also complained about BP always winning, seeming invincible and being too powerful....Hudlin BP gets the same criticisms despite his BP being a wimp compared to Priest's.

Hudlin isn't criticized for that at all. It's when he makes Black Panther utter such atrocious dialogue as "You're straight trippin' boo" that people criticize him for.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yes, Priests work on Black Panther is critically acclaimed and looked at as the definitive version of the character. But fans also complained about BP always winning, seeming invincible and being too powerful....Hudlin BP gets the same criticisms despite his BP being a wimp compared to Priest's.

Hudlin isn't criticized for that at all. It's when he makes Black Panther utter such atrocious dialogue as "You're straight trippin' boo" that people criticize him for.

Both of you need to read (if you haven't already) the 1988 mini by Gillis and Cowan. That's what Black Panther is supposed to be.

 

[Union Jack]

i haven't minded this run of BP....
that said...its only this version ive read...only other BP ive read is with the avengers..

 

[The Geek Vault]

This run is the only run I've read unfortunetly so I have nothing to compare it to really. Although Black Panther does seemed to be amped up a lot and win some fights that seem like he def. shouldn't like Surfer vs. Panther.

 

[Union Jack]

yeah surfer versus panther was ridiculous.

not way in hell regardless of BP's hold would panther be able to do anything to SS.

 

[PhotoJones]

I skimmed to that part in the book and read it, and while it is a little silly, I know what McDuffie was trying to get across.

It's about the little guy taking down the bigger guy through knowledge of anatomy. It doesn't have anything to do with "power levels". It's about skeletal structure, musclature and joints. The same principles apply when a smaller guy pins a guy much larger than him down. It's all about distribution.

That said, no one really knew how the Surfer's body worked. Was it like ours just because it looks like ours? Even the Panther wasn't sure until he tried and found out that human anatomy still applies, even to the Silver Surfer.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

But wouldn't it be like a three-year old trying to do that move to a WWF wrestler? I mean, you need to be able to apply enough strength that it matters.