BLM Protests Across The World

[DarthSkywalker]

I'll say the players in the NBA are trying to make a point and they have my complete and utter support. They don't need to shut up and play anymore than I have to shut up and work. NFL is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the late 20th Century. Screw 'em. I've been a huge sports fan for my entire life, but I care so little about seeing NBA playoffs right now that it matter nothing to me.

Thank you Doc Rivers. Luv ya.

I don't really like Doc Rivers as a sports fan, but he got me today. That hurt.

 

[InCali]

Exactly

And it's so silly to say "Can you imagine if the Civil Rights Movement acted this way" THey acted the way they did and there are still so many institutional, systemic, and blatantly racists things that haven't changed since then. the US has had decades to shape up on this stuff. So the whole complaints about "B-b-but the riots" Fix this stuff and you wouldn't have the riots or the protests. It's like not trying put out or get help for the kitchen fire and getting mad your house burns down.

I've said it before when certain members where whining about the protests earlier this year:
Peaceful protests? Y'all complain
Unpeacful acts? Y'all complain.
It just seems like some just want to complain.

There's no right way to protest. History is filled with unpeaceful acts and peaceful protests. The simple thing to do is to actually fix the issues. It's just corny and silly seeing people get more up in arms about the rioters moreso then the fact that the US hasn't fixed so many of their racial problems when they've had so many chances too

I don't need to get into a back and forth. Yeah, you're right. Things are still f**'ed up and incremental progress has been made. For the record, I'm not complaining. I'm saying I think there's a better way to protest. If you disagree, fine.

 

[Schlosser85]

Exactly

And it's so silly to say "Can you imagine if the Civil Rights Movement acted this way" THey acted the way they did and there are still so many institutional, systemic, and blatantly racists things that haven't changed since then. the US has had decades to shape up on this stuff. So the whole complaints about "B-b-but the riots" Fix this stuff and you wouldn't have the riots or the protests. It's like not trying put out or get help for the kitchen fire and getting mad your house burns down.

I've said it before when certain members where whining about the protests earlier this year:
Peaceful protests? Y'all complain
Unpeacful acts? Y'all complain.
It just seems like some just want to complain.

There's no right way to protest. History is filled with unpeaceful acts and peaceful protests. The simple thing to do is to actually fix the issues. It's just corny and silly seeing people get more up in arms about the rioters moreso then the fact that the US hasn't fixed so many of their racial problems when they've had so many chances too

You’re not going to respond to or probably even ever read this, but I got a little tired of you continually dismissing myself and anyone else who raised valid concerns about mass gatherings by the thousands during a pandemic as “whining”.

 

[InCali]

I don't really like Doc Rivers as a sports fan, but he got me today. That hurt.

I ain't gonna be a Clips fan though......It would just be......objectively wrong....

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You’re not going to respond to or probably even ever read this, but I got a little tired of you continually dismissing myself and anyone else who raised valid concerns about mass gatherings by the thousands during a pandemic as “whining”.

The entire black and brown community in the US when it comes to mass pandemic known as racism:

I love ya Schlosser, but you left a gap to big to not drive my snark through.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't need to get into a back and forth. Yeah, you're right. Things are still f**'ed up and incremental progress has been made. For the record, I'm not complaining. I'm saying I think there's a better way to protest. If you disagree, fine.

I'm not disagreeing on "a better way to protest." Never even indicated I did. If you're gonna reply, please read through my posts.

This was the main point I was saying

And it's so silly to say "Can you imagine if the Civil Rights Movement acted this way" THey acted the way they did and there are still so many institutional, systemic, and blatantly racists things that haven't changed since then. the US has had decades to shape up on this stuff. So the whole complaints about "B-b-but the riots" Fix this stuff and you wouldn't have the riots or the protests. It's like not trying put out or get help for the kitchen fire and getting mad your house burns down.

If you actually fixed the problems, when you had ample opportunity to, there would be no riots. So any complaints about the riots are silly to me. Especially when, as pointed out many times before, so many of the riots aren't by the actual protesters. They're by outside provocateurs or just scumbag opportunists.

My post wasn't about which way was "a better way to protest." It was about the utter silliness of everytime something happens people say "Peaceful protests. Peaceful protests" when:

• Despite the peaceful protests in the 50s and 60s as part of the major CR movement there's still major racial issues that could've been fixed.
• Colin Kapernick protests peacefully and had/has to be put through hell for it. People complained up and down the street for years about how he was being "disrespectful"
• The Charlottesville people peacefully protesting the Unite the Right thing and a person was killed and people were maimed.
• So many, hell the MAJORITY, of protesters peacefully protested after of Yusef Hawkins (1989), Oscar Grant (2008), Sandra Bland (2015) and more killings and mysterious deaths that were cop involved or racist situations.

And what has changed? Not much.

Are the riots going to help? No.
Do I agree with them? No and I never indicated I do.
Do I practice peaceful protesting? Yes and will continue to do so.

But if people see that peaceful protests aren't working, they're going to go another way and it's America's fault for not putting out the flame when they had a chance. In addition, you can't expect that "turn the other cheek" type stuff and kumbaye when one side is not doing the same either. People of color are walking around peacefully and are still met with systemic oppresion, hostility, violence and death in 2020. I think America is lucky there aren't more unpeaceful acts happening from different marginalized groups. And before anyone says anything: no that's not me calling for unpeaceful acts or condoning them.

And once again, as has been stated before, most of the rioting is being done by people who aren't protesters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not disagreeing on "a better way to protest." Never even indicated I did. If you're gonna reply, please read through my posts.

This was the main point I was saying


If you actually fixed the problems, when you had ample opportunity to, there would be no riots. So any complaints about the riots don't mean much. Especially when, as pointed out many times before, so many of the riots aren't by protesters. They're by outside provacaterus or just scumbag opportunists..

My post wasn't about "a better way to protests." It was about the utter silliness of everytime something happens people say "Peaceful protests. Peaceful protests" when:

• Despite the peaceful protests in the 50s and 60s as part of the major CR movement there's still major racial issues that could've been fixed.
• Colin Kapernick protests peacefully and had/has to be put through hell for it.
• The Charlottesville people protesting the Unite the Right thing and a person was killed and people were maimed.
• So many, hell tthe MAJORITY, of protesters peacefully protested afterYusef Hawkins (1989), Oscar Grant (2008), Sandra Bland (2015) and more killings and mysterious deaths that were cop involved or racist situations.

And what has changed? Not much.

Are the riots going to help? No.
Do I agree with them? No and I never indicated I do.
But If people see that peaceful protests aren't working their going to go another way and it's America's fault for not putting out the flame when they had a chance. And you can't expect that "turn the other cheek" type stuff and kumbaye when one side is not doing the same either.

And once again, as has been stated before, most of the rioting is being done by people who aren't protesters

One of the things that gets me, is the Civil Rights Movement wasn't considered "good" or "peaceful" at the time. Those protesting, whether black, brown, white, etc. were considered not peaceful, unruly agitators causing violence and disturbance. They were being violent by sitting at tables they were legally not allowed to be at the time. It was not considered peaceful to block streets. Anything they did was considered violent, upsetting and not right because it agitated violent white people. The cops reacting like thugs was on the protesters. The violence was squarely blamed on the protesters.

We all know what Fox News would have been like in the 50s and 60s.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[MadVillainy]

One of the things that gets me, is the Civil Rights Movement wasn't considered "good" or "peaceful" at the time. Those protesting, whether black, brown, white, etc. were considered not peaceful, unruly agitators causing violence and disturbance. They were being violent by sitting at tables they were legally not allowed to be at the time. It was not considered peaceful to block streets. Anything they did was considered violent, upsetting and not right because it agitated violent white people. The cops reacting like thugs was on the protesters. The violence was squarely blamed on the protesters.

We all know what Fox News would have been like in the 50s and 60s.

Yup
And it's not just race based riots and protests.

Look how the media spoke about Stonewall and other gay pride things of that nature. Or even antiwar demonstrations back then.

 

[Sithborg]

And hey, look, I guess we know why the cops are friendly to militias...

 

[MadVillainy]

And hey, look, I guess we know why the cops are friendly to militias...

I am shocked. Completely and utterly shocked

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yup
And it's not just race based riots and protests.

Look how the media spoke about Stonewall and other gay pride things of that nature. Or even antiwar demonstrations back then.

Yep, the simple act of pointing out the issue is considered super problematic to way too many. And thus when they react in the way they do, it is suddenly the protesters fault. Does that mean people should be setting small business on fire and harassing people in the street? No, of course not. But this is not what changes public perception or how the cops react. We have decades of evidence of this.

I don't disagree with Schlosser being concerned with the mass gathering of people to protest during a pandemic. It is a fair point to make and even I was concerned about it a bit. And lets forget for a second that officials said it didn't really have an effect, because there was no way to know that before it happened. But I do think this past week shows exactly why even in a pandemic, it was important for people to press the issue. This isn't getting better, and with Trump around it feels like it is getting worse. The views of BLM have turned for the positive even with all this violence. I think that is telling and show why this has all been important.

The only ones with the ability to fix this, don't want to. They will kick, they will scream and they will violently attempt to oppress those that are trying change things. Maybe the burning buildings aren't being taken as an issue with the protesters, but the results of what the cops and the elected officials allow them to get away with. They will stop, when the cops stop. So make them stop.

 

[InCali]

I'm not disagreeing on "a better way to protest." Never even indicated I did. If you're gonna reply, please read through my posts.

This was the main point I was saying


If you actually fixed the problems, when you had ample opportunity to, there would be no riots. So any complaints about the riots are silly to me. Especially when, as pointed out many times before, so many of the riots aren't by the actual protesters. They're by outside provocateurs or just scumbag opportunists.

My post wasn't about which way was "a better way to protest." It was about the utter silliness of everytime something happens people say "Peaceful protests. Peaceful protests" when:

• Despite the peaceful protests in the 50s and 60s as part of the major CR movement there's still major racial issues that could've been fixed.
• Colin Kapernick protests peacefully and had/has to be put through hell for it. People complained up and down the street for years about how he was being "disrespectful"
• The Charlottesville people peacefully protesting the Unite the Right thing and a person was killed and people were maimed.
• So many, hell the MAJORITY, of protesters peacefully protested after of Yusef Hawkins (1989), Oscar Grant (2008), Sandra Bland (2015) and more killings and mysterious deaths that were cop involved or racist situations.

And what has changed? Not much.

Are the riots going to help? No.
Do I agree with them? No and I never indicated I do.
Do I practice peaceful protesting? Yes and will continue to do so.

But if people see that peaceful protests aren't working, they're going to go another way and it's America's fault for not putting out the flame when they had a chance. So it's their fault. In addition, you can't expect that "turn the other cheek" type stuff and kumbaye when one side is not doing the same either. Black people walking around peacefully and are still met with hostility, violence and death in 2020. I think America is lucky there aren't more unpeaceful things happening

And once again, as has been stated before, most of the rioting is being done by people who aren't protesters.

Problems don't get fixed in one, fell swoop...unfortunately. The US, as a country, wasn't conscious enough to do that. Racism was swept under the rug and institutionalized. The blatant examples were done away with. I think, we, as a country, are just now starting to understand the seamy underbelly of racism in the US.

The unfortunate truth is that progress doesn't happen all at once. It comes in fits and starts when you're talking about changes in a society of hundreds of millions of people. I can point the finger (I'll leave it to you to guess which one) at the mistakes every administration in my lifetime has made. The other unfortunate truth is that I don't know how to fix this. I just hate seeing people killed by the police and knowing that it's happening every day. I also think the destruction of property that can provide a service is counter productive and stupid. Every time I hear "These images are going to be disturbing", I either fast forward or hit pause until I can. I've seen enough. I KNOW what's going on out there and it's sickening.

Right now, I think we would be best served if protesters policed themselves better. It's not their fault that some self serving, jackasses who care only about themselves and nothing about justice are passing themselves off as protesters.

 

[Sithborg]

I think, given the large number of protests in the face of rioting cops, that the protesters have done that.

 

[InCali]

Yep, the simple act of pointing out the issue is considered super problematic to way too many. And thus when they react in the way they do, it is suddenly the protesters fault. Does that mean people should be setting small business on fire and harassing people in the street? No, of course not. But this is not what changes public perception or how the cops react. We have decades of evidence of this.

I don't disagree with Schlosser being concerned with the mass gathering of people to protest during a pandemic. It is a fair point to make and even I was concerned about it a bit. And lets forget for a second that officials said it didn't really have an effect, because there was no way to know that before it happened. But I do think this past week shows exactly why even in a pandemic, it was important for people to press the issue. This isn't getting better, and with Trump around it feels like it is getting worse. The views of BLM have turned for the positive even with all this violence. I think that is telling and show why this has all been important.

The only ones with the ability to fix this, don't want to. They will kick, they will scream and they will violently attempt to oppress those that are trying change things. Maybe the burning buildings aren't being taken as an issue with the protesters, but the results of what the cops and the elected officials allow them to get away with. They will stop, when the cops stop. So make them stop.

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.”

― Albert Einstein

Women too......

 

[InCali]

I'm feeling pretty proud of not only the men in the NBA, but also those heroes in the WNBA who have taken a principled stand.

Keep talking and stop playing. We support and love you.

 

[MadVillainy]

Problems don't get fixed in one, fell swoop...unfortunately. The US, as a country, wasn't conscious enough to do that. Racism was swept under the rug and institutionalized. The blatant examples were done away with. I think, we, as a country, are just now starting to understand the seamy underbelly of racism in the US.

The unfortunate truth is that progress doesn't happen all at once. It comes in fits and starts when you're talking about changes in a society of hundreds of millions of people. I can point the finger (I'll leave it to you to guess which one) at the mistakes every administration in my lifetime has made. The other unfortunate truth is that I don't know how to fix this. I just hate seeing people killed by the police and knowing that it's happening every day. I also think the destruction of property that can provide a service is counter productive and stupid. Every time I hear "These images are going to be disturbing", I either fast forward or hit pause until I can. I've seen enough. I KNOW what's going on out there and it's sickening.

Right now, I think we would be best served if protesters policed themselves better. It's not their fault that some self serving, jackasses who care only about themselves and nothing about justice are passing themselves off as protesters.

I never said or insinuated that things can/would get fixed in one fell swoop or that problem is easy to fix or that progress happens all at once. Obviously I understand that.
But...it's been almost half a century (edit: over half a century, I can't count) since the start of the Civil Rights Movement. Police brutality is such a widespread problem and no progress has been made, there are still neighborhoods and through that schools in parts of the country that are segregated in a way. 50 years relative to a whole history of a country isn't that much, but America was able to make changes when things were "important" to them (creation of ICE, the Patriot Act, Trump dismantling ________) Clearly it seems like fixing problems pertaining to race (gun control, voter suppression, I could go on) isn't important enough for them. Liberal or Conservative

And why do the protesters need to police themselves? You're ignoring what I, countless news outlets, and other posters here have said regarding the riots vs the protesters. The protesters =/= the rioters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I never said or insinuated that things can/would get fixed in one fell swoop or that problem is easy to fix or that progress happens all at once. Obviously I understand that.
But...it's been almost half a century since the start of the Civil Rights Movement. Police brutality is such a widespread problem and no progress has been made, there are still neighborhoods and through that schools in parts of the country that are segregated in a way. 50 years relative to a whole history of a country isn't that much, but America was able to make changes when things were "important" to them (creation of ICE, the Patriot Act, Trump dismantling ________) Clearly it seems like fixing problems pertaining to race (gun control, voter suppression, I could go on) isn't important enough for them. Liberal or Conservation

And why do the protesters need to police themselves? You're ignoring what I, countless news outlets, and other posters here have said regarding the riots vs the protesters. The protesters =/= the rioters.

Over 70 years now actually. 70 years, and we are still doing a lot of building block work.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Because of course...

 

[Sithborg]

Over 70 years now actually. 70 years, and we are still doing a lot of building block work.

Not to mention backsliding.

[stares at John Roberts]

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't disagree with Schlosser being concerned with the mass gathering of people to protest during a pandemic. It is a fair point to make and even I was concerned about it a bit. And lets forget for a second that officials said it didn't really have an effect, because there was no way to know that before it happened. But I do think this past week shows exactly why even in a pandemic, it was important for people to press the issue. This isn't getting better, and with Trump around it feels like it is getting worse. The views of BLM have turned for the positive even with all this violence. I think that is telling and show why this has all been important.

I don't necessarily disagree either about the mass gathering worries during this time. But:

1) I just find it funny that certain people on here, around the interwebs, or just in life complain and whine any chance they get about "keyboard warriors", Twitter, etc. And now, when so many people are being seriously active, physically or otherwise, in protests and social causes they're complaining about that too. Again, it's bad that this has to happen in these times, but it always just reads to me that those kind of people just look for a reason to complain about anything. Namely in this case social causes that don't affect them. And that's clown behavior. Similar to what I've said before about people complaining about protests whether they be peaceful or not. They're complaining without solutions, they seem to be just looking for reasons to complain about BLM (the movement not organization), etc.


2) Again I agree I don't want protests happening now...but if American politicians and other aspects of the US would even pretend to care about this kind of stuff for the however many years we want to start the clocks, we probably wouldn't be protesting. So again, I kinda turn the blame on them for any negative COVID fall out for this

 

[MadVillainy]

Real...

 

[Schlosser85]

You’re not going to respond to or probably even ever read this, but I got a little tired of you continually dismissing myself and anyone else who raised valid concerns about mass gatherings by the thousands during a pandemic as “whining”.

 

[InCali]

I never said or insinuated that things can/would get fixed in one fell swoop or that problem is easy to fix or that progress happens all at once. Obviously I understand that.
But...it's been almost half a century since the start of the Civil Rights Movement. Police brutality is such a widespread problem and no progress has been made, there are still neighborhoods and through that schools in parts of the country that are segregated in a way. 50 years relative to a whole history of a country isn't that much, but America was able to make changes when things were "important" to them (creation of ICE, the Patriot Act, Trump dismantling ________) Clearly it seems like fixing problems pertaining to race (gun control, voter suppression, I could go on) isn't important enough for them. Liberal or Conservation

And why do the protesters need to police themselves? You're ignoring what I, countless news outlets, and other posters here have said regarding the riots vs the protesters. The protesters =/= the rioters.

I'm not sure what you're saying WRT "The protesters =/= the rioters", but protesters should police themselves if there are those who are doing harm or polluting the message people are trying to put forward. I get that the vast majority of people don't want violence and only resort to it as a last resort. Hell, I'm not sure it isn't a last resort in many, many of the cases we've seen. I just don't know enough to comment intelligently on a lot of these situations.

I've been arrested in anti-war, union, and other protests and I know how the media works. They pick out the, alleged, most egregious activities and try to paint the movement with a broad brush. That's a strategic problem and why the protests I've engaged in have generally policed themselves. To be fair, some of these protests (Iraqi war at the federal building in Westwood) are large enough that you don't have an overarching approach across groups.