BLM Protests Across The World

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Actor John Cusack got pepper sprayed and hit with batons by cops in Chicago while he was out filming a burning car.

 

[Snow Queen]

I am willing to say that the NYPD is just a hive of scum and villainy.

I can't get over this one. They're using their cars as battering rams, pepper spraying children and firing upon reporters with rubber bullets, all while covering their badge numbers to avoid reprisal and they feel like they're being held back? So they start doxxing people? **** them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am willing to say that the NYPD is just a hive of scum and villainy.

Remember, this is because people say "**** the police" and thus are responsible for the US vs. THEM situation in the US. It isn't like the actual policing has brought that on, justifiably. You know, even as the majority of cops admit they let abuse and criminal activity from their fellow officers go all the time. As we now see them trying to put hits on people for protesting.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This. Entire. Situation. Is. The. Cops. Fault.

All the cops? No. But the cops are responsible for this.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Remember, this is because people say "**** the police" and thus are responsible for the US vs. THEM situation in the US. It isn't like the actual policing has brought that on, justifiably. You know, even as the majority of cops admit they let abuse and criminal activity from their fellow officers go all the time. As we now see them trying to put hits on people for protesting.

How many years have we had to entertain the notion that "If you keep accusing me (rightly) of my racist actions that's just gonna make me be more of a racist" which comes from certain quarters. We are supposed to take that seriously as a position.

Welp... Maybe that can be applied here? Keep abusing power and killing civilians and it's just gonna make more people distrust police and add to chaos and disorder in society.

But THAT'S not fair, right?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How many years have we had to entertain the notion that "If you keep accusing me (rightly) of my racist actions that's just gonna make me be more of a racist" which comes from certain quarters. We are supposed to take that seriously as a position.

Welp... Maybe that can be applied here? Keep abusing power and killing civilians and it's just gonna make more people distrust police and add to chaos and disorder in society.

But THAT'S not fair, right?

Letting the idea fester that there are two sides with viable stances that need to be heard in this situation, is why racism itself is allowed to fester in the US.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[Marvolo]

The kid should have never been there but that is a huge mistake for a cop to do right now besides hitting protesters not even on the streets with rubber bullets. I've seen videos of protesters on side walks holding signs suddenly getting hit by cops with rubber bullets and batons

Idk if it was an accident or not, but I can see how itd be easy to hit an unintended target with a rubber bullet or even some long shot mace. This is all crazy and chaotic and American police are notoriously under trained for situations like this so I'm not at all surprised if peaceful or nonviolent people get hit with some stray rubber bullets or mace. That's why it's best for the peaceful protesters holding signs to stay the hell away from the rioters. You see someone committing arsony or property destruction get away from them. You see a cop or cops pointing a gun or mace anywhere near you run the other way or take cover or lie down.

Under normal circumstances I would say he should have given his badge number and name. I think it should be a law that a cop must give their name and badge number upon request if it wont endanger the cop. But during this cluster**** I totally understand why a cop wouldnt want to. Right now I dont trust that there wont be violent retaliation against a cop even if the cop made an honest mistake. Even this cop's face being visible and on social media could be dangerous if some lunatic gets it in their head to go after him.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Allowing cops to get away with abuse is how we got into this mess. Understandable or not, cops shouldn't be firing at the media and covering up their ID to escape consequences.

 

[Marvolo]

Allowing cops to get away with abuse is how we got into this mess. Understandable or not, cops shouldn't be firing at the media and covering up their ID to escape consequences.

I'm not advocating no consequences for malice or actual criminal behavior. If a cop commits a crime or if that particular cop deliberately maced that kid then he deserves consequences, but not vigilante consequences. I think the risk of vigilante justice against cops is too high right now for cops to be revealing their identity to anyone in these hot zones.

Someone got a pic of the cop and the child's injury. The parent or guardian responsible for the child should be able to take that and use it to identify the cop and can speak to a lawyer after this is all settled down.

 

[Mani-Man]

I'm not advocating no consequences for malice or actual criminal behavior. If a cop commits a crime or if that particular cop deliberately maced that kid then he deserves consequences, but not vigilante consequences. I think the risk of vigilante justice against cops is too high right now for cops to be revealing their identity to anyone in these hot zones.

Someone got a pic of the cop and the child's injury. The parent or guardian responsible for the child should be able to take that and use it to identify the cop and can speak to a lawyer after this is all settled down.

And who says this is not what will happen?
People are so fast to protect cops from consequences...how often did it happen in america that a cop got shot or so outside of his job? That their families directly got involved with their work?

I mean George Zimmerman is still walking around being an absolut despicable human being and he isnt even a cop.
So where is this idea coming from that people would take the law in their own hands and go after cops and their familys in private?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not advocating no consequences for malice or actual criminal behavior. If a cop commits a crime or if that particular cop deliberately maced that kid then he deserves consequences, but not vigilante consequences. I think the risk of vigilante justice against cops is too high right now for cops to be revealing their identity to anyone in these hot zones.

Someone got a pic of the cop and the child's injury. The parent or guardian responsible for the child should be able to take that and use it to identify the cop and can speak to a lawyer after this is all settled down.

The cops are the ones doxxing people.

Also the obvious issue with allowing cops to hide their identities:

Think you have the right to demand police identify themselves? Look closer.

During the height of the Ferguson protests, the DOJ warned officers in that city twice about identification. "The failure to wear name plates conveys a message to community members that, through anonymity, officers may seek to act with impunity," a letter from the DOJ said. A second letter reiterated it: "The practice of not wearing, or obscuring, name plates violates your own department's policies, which we advised you earlier this week when we requested that you end the practice immediately."

The risk of injury from a cop is far higher, then the concern of some sort of vigilante justice against a cop. And yet the concern seems to be for the cops, not the citizens who are continually being abused here. The babying of cops in these situations and in general is why they are allowed to shoot first and never risk anything. Which is why we are continually seeing people who should not be killed, killed time and again.

You speak of hot zones. It's almost like the actions of the police and their response are directly tied to what is a hot zone and what isn't.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm not advocating no consequences for malice or actual criminal behavior. If a cop commits a crime or if that particular cop deliberately maced that kid then he deserves consequences, but not vigilante consequences. I think the risk of vigilante justice against cops is too high right now for cops to be revealing their identity to anyone in these hot zones.

Someone got a pic of the cop and the child's injury. The parent or guardian responsible for the child should be able to take that and use it to identify the cop and can speak to a lawyer after this is all settled down.

No offense but... Point me to the overwhelming cases of vigilante justice being visited on LEO in the U.S.? Is this a phenomena equal to the number of cases we have of police performing extrajudicial executions with the thinnest of rationales?

Marv... You know the answer to that. Such things are not happening. Police are using their power and equpment to batter civilians and journalists. Allowing them to not be held accountable is the literal reason we are here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No offense but... Point me to the overwhelming cases of vigilante justice being visited on LEO in the U.S.? Is this a phenomena equal to the number of cases we have of police performing extrajudicial executions with the thinnest of rationales?

Marv... You know the answer to that. Such things are not happening. Police are using their power and equpment to batter civilians and journalists. Allowing them to not be held accountable is the literal reason we are here.

We are here because time and again police have acted unlawfully, and yet all over the internet and on Fox News you will find people twisting themselves into knots to defend the police being allowed to do that still. It's absolute insanity.

People are questioning the protesters, the rioters. So many people would look past this incident after a cursory glance and "oh that is sad" type of reaction. This is only still in the news cycle with wall to wall coverage because of what is going on every night. Even the AG said that he was aware of public sentiment when he charged "so quickly".

How much attention would all this be getting from people who seem only determined to talk about how awful rioters are like Tucker Carlson? How about those who seem only to tweet to defend the police from their own actions?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

"Light em up".


What in any way shape or form justified this? Were people already at home a threat to those in uniform?

Changes in marginal tax rates from 33% to 39% percent that gets voted on by congressional representatives is not in any shape tyranny or government overreach or whatever rubric one wishes to operate under in order to describe modern government practices as the same as fascism.


ACTUAL oppression and abuse of power by government agenst is what's seen in that video.

 

[Zorro]

"Protect and Serve" my ass! They T-1000's

 

[Teelie]

Given I think we're pretty much all varying shades of liberal here, I wonder how much our discussion differs elsewhere.

We have a few conservative pro-Trumpers on the forums but they have been suspiciously quiet of late. I know one was given a vacation but the others as far as I know has just kept their mouths shut.

And this is exactly why the police departments need reformation. When good cops do the right thing and are punished but bad cops guilty of crimes go free, there is a problem.

 

[DeadPresident]

Walking into a room and saying someone is gaslighting, without saying who is doing it or pointing to actual examples of the gaslighting, sure sounds a lot like gaslighting.

It’s ironic that you’d be the one to latch onto that post, Darth.

 

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A Vice journalist who was cooperating and complying with police still got peppers sprayed in the face by the cops for no reason in a video. Seemed like the cops was being vindictive.

 

[Schlosser85]

A Vice journalist who was cooperating and complying with police still got peppers sprayed in the face by the cops for no reason in a video. Seemed like the cops was being vindictive.

Apparently they pepper sprayed and hit John Cusack in Chicago who wasn't even protesting (I don't think) and stopped on his bike to film a burning car.

 

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Here is a guy who had a run in with Chauvin when he was a teenager a few years back. Pulling guns on teens playing with foam dart Nerf guns.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[InCali]

We have a few conservative pro-Trumpers on the forums but they have been suspiciously quiet of late. I know one was given a vacation but the others as far as I know has just kept their mouths shut.


And this is exactly why the police departments need reformation. When good cops do the right thing and are punished but bad cops guilty of crimes go free, there is a problem.

I gave one of them that I consider especially inane a personal a "Holiday".....so I am wasting less time than I used to and have no idea whether or not he's been active. There's only 2 of them on my "Reserved for Special People" list and neither of them ever really wrote much of anything I thought was worth responding to.

So, I have a network install today in Santa Monica down on Lincoln. Ought to be interesting. More when I get back.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[kvz5]

NYPD sergeants union tweets private details of Mayor de Blasio's daughter from "arrest report"