BLM Protests Across The World

[Sithborg]

So, reading a bit about the jury selection in the Chauvin trial, and the prosecutor is absolutely spiking the trial. Some horrible, horrible choices making it onto the jury.

 

[C. Lee]

Derek Chauvin Judge Dismisses Two Seated Jurors

 

[C. Lee]

LAPD Investigating After Former Detective Caught On Video Calling Black Driver Racial Slurs

 

[Sithborg]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Someone please explain why anyone should trust law enforcement? Because all they do is prove why you shouldn't.

 

[Lily Adler]

Someone please explain why anyone should trust law enforcement? Because all they do is prove why you shouldn't.

How could you not trust this face.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

About Face


Still a good read on so very much.

I think many dismissed this before Jan. 6th.


I don't think it's wise to do so.

 

[Teelie]

How could you not trust this face.

I think if cops were like that and all they had to deal with was problems like his, I would trust the cops. Mostly. Barney was not exactly the best example but he never went and shot someone for holding a cell phone, brutalized anyone or committed crimes like murder and rape.

 

[C. Lee]

Washington Sheriff Urged To Resign After Calling 911 On Black Newspaper Delivery Driver

 

[DoomRulz]

Someone please explain why anyone should trust law enforcement? Because all they do is prove why you shouldn't.

Law enforcement helped point me in the right direction after finding a dead body at work of someone whom I was very close to and the officer who took my statement was one of the kindest people I've ever met.

But you do you, I guess.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Law enforcement helped point me in the right direction after finding a dead body at work of someone whom I was very close to and the officer who took my statement was one of the kindest people I've ever met.

But you do you, I guess.

Maybe you should read this thread.

 

[Schlosser85]

Law enforcement helped point me in the right direction after finding a dead body at work of someone whom I was very close to and the officer who took my statement was one of the kindest people I've ever met.

But you do you, I guess.

I agree that the “All Cops Are Bad” slogan is false and distasteful and unproductive (among various others of the far left), but you being acquainted with a cop who’s a nice guy and there being problems with systemic racism and abuse of power among way too many law enforcement institutions are not mutually exclusive.

 

[writer0327]

Someone please explain why anyone should trust law enforcement? Because all they do is prove why you shouldn't.

I don't think its unreasonable to have a healthy distrust of any state-controlled institution at all, especially the police.

 

[C. Lee]

Someone please explain why anyone should trust law enforcement? Because all they do is prove why you shouldn't.

I trusted my dad....he had over 20 years in law enforcement....both military and civilian.

As someone somewhere said - If you mistrust every single person of some type of group.....that makes you a "___ist".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I trusted my dad....he had over 20 years in law enforcement....both military and civilian.

As someone somewhere said - If you mistrust every single person of some type of group.....that makes you a "___ist".

So your reasoning is your dad was a cop. That feels like a fairly obvious biased read of the situation, that ignores the reality of the institution of policing in the US, especially when it comes to people of color.

Law enforcement around the US are run like criminal syndicates. Police Union protect murderers, rapists, and thieves. The vast majority of police admit to witnessing misconduct and not reporting it. Entire departments avoid surveillance and oversight, literally fighting it in court. Misconduct reports are hidden from the public. The use of qualified immunity to escape responsibility is a common occurrence. We witnessed an entire summer of cops acting like they cared about their treatment of the public during day, while repeatedly attacking them at night with sticks, guns and explosives. White supremacy groups are a part of countless law enforcement agencies across the US. Entire departments get away with destroying their recording equipment and passing around racist material. The few cops that do speak up, are by their former colleagues.

ACAB doesn't exist because literally every cop is a terrible person. It is because the institution of policing in the US is terrible, aided by every single member of the police that just goes along with the system, which is the vast, vast majority. So while you had a good relationship with your father, that really doesn't change that there is no reason for American citizens to trust the police. Especially if they happened to be of color, a woman and/or a member of the LGBTQ+.

Also "policist" in the BLM thread? A thread based around systematic racism perpetrated by the police for their entire existence.

 

[Sithborg]

I trusted my dad....he had over 20 years in law enforcement....both military and civilian.

As someone somewhere said - If you mistrust every single person of some type of group.....that makes you a "___ist".

I love and trust my brother. I know only a little bit of what he has gone through. But I do know he has not had an easy time as a cop. Pretty much ran right into the blue line that had made other good cops quit because of something extremely trivial, but very tribal. He definitely is feeling some issues now, as he is about the only one in his department still masking up. This topic has been about as painful for me as it could possibly get for a white person. I do not frivolously throw out ACAB.

 

[C. Lee]

So your reasoning is your dad was a cop. That feels like a fairly obvious biased read of the situation, that ignores the reality of the institution of policing in the US, especially when it comes to people of color.

Law enforcement around the US are run like criminal syndicates. Police Union protect murderers, rapists, and thieves. The vast majority of police admit to witnessing misconduct and not reporting it. Entire departments avoid surveillance and oversight, literally fighting it in court. Misconduct reports are hidden from the public. The use of qualified immunity to escape responsibility is a common occurrence. We witnessed an entire summer of cops acting like they cared about their treatment of the public during day, while repeatedly attacking them at night with sticks, guns and explosives. White supremacy groups are a part of countless law enforcement agencies across the US. Entire departments get away with destroying their recording equipment and passing around racist material. The few cops that do speak up, are by their former colleagues.

ACAB doesn't exist because literally every cop is a terrible person. It is because the institution of policing in the US is terrible, aided by every single member of the police that just goes along with the system, which is the vast, vast majority. So while you had a good relationship with your father, that really doesn't change that there is no reason for American citizens to trust the police. Especially if they happened to be of color, a woman and/or a member of the LGBTQ+.

Also "policist" in the BLM thread? A thread based around systematic racism perpetrated by the police for their entire existence.

You are saying every single policeman in the United States is evil. That is wrong and that is being policist or somethingIST. If a poster came on here and said every single black person or Jewish person or Latverian person was evil...you would be the first to report them and demand their banning. I'm not an idiot, I know there are a lot of bad cops out there.....and there are good ones too. We have posters here who are cops and posters who have cops in their families and you think it is OK to insult them. I think you need to tone down your self righteous rants.

 

[Sithborg]

You are saying every single policeman in the United States is evil. That is wrong and that is being policist or somethingIST. If a poster came on here and said every single black person or Jewish person or Latverian person was evil...you would be the first to report them and demand their banning. I'm not an idiot, I know there are a lot of bad cops out there.....and there are good ones too. We have posters here who are cops and posters who have cops in their families and you think it is OK to insult them. I think you need to tone down your self righteous rants.

At what point does an organization become so corrupt and bad, that merely being part of it involves making you guilty of some evil. I mean, Darth is in L.A. The LAPD is one of the worst organizations in the nations. There is very little difference between them and the gangs they swear they are needed to protect against. I mean, you've seen how the Louisville PD has responded to Breanna Taylor's death. Hell, even my local PD been anti protestor and then letting the Proud Boys free reign.

I guess, in short, there are good cops. But they are such a minority, that it doesn't matter.

 

[Snow Queen]

You are saying every single policeman in the United States is evil. That is wrong and that is being policist or somethingIST. If a poster came on here and said every single black person or Jewish person or Latverian person was evil...you would be the first to report them and demand their banning. I'm not an idiot, I know there are a lot of bad cops out there.....and there are good ones too. We have posters here who are cops and posters who have cops in their families and you think it is OK to insult them. I think you need to tone down your self righteous rants.

No one is saying every single cop in the US is evil, and no one is insulting those with cops in their family by talking about how horrific the police as an organization are or how many supposedly good cops let those bad ones slide. I've got a cop in my family, but I wouldn't say them being nice to me is any reason for minority groups in particular to trust law enforcement. Especially not after this year. Being a cop is not in any way comparable to being black or Jewish, and comparing that feels trivializing to minority groups - especially when black people are regularly murdered by said officers. "But there are good cops" isn't a reason to trust law enforcement, which was what you responded to in the first place. Not "all cops are evil," but why should people trust them in the face of everything unfolding this year - there being good ones doesn't cut it when this is so baked into the police as an institution.

 

[flickchick85]

You are saying every single policeman in the United States is evil. That is wrong and that is being policist or somethingIST. If a poster came on here and said every single black person or Jewish person or Latverian person was evil...you would be the first to report them and demand their banning. I'm not an idiot, I know there are a lot of bad cops out there.....and there are good ones too. We have posters here who are cops and posters who have cops in their families and you think it is OK to insult them. I think you need to tone down your self righteous rants.

Being a cop is a career choice, though. So I don't think the comparison to Jewish or Latverian people fits in this instance.

No one's saying all cops are evil. But "I don't trust law enforcement" is a VERY valid stance at this point for anyone to have, especially minorities. As the problem in law enforcement has proven to be absolutely systemic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You are saying every single policeman in the United States is evil. That is wrong and that is being policist or somethingIST. If a poster came on here and said every single black person or Jewish person or Latverian person was evil...you would be the first to report them and demand their banning. I'm not an idiot, I know there are a lot of bad cops out there.....and there are good ones too. We have posters here who are cops and posters who have cops in their families and you think it is OK to insult them. I think you need to tone down your self righteous rants.

No one said all cops are bad. Check the posts, you will not be able to find it. What I said is there is no reason to trust cops in the US, and considering law enforcement as an institution is an absolute horror show in the United States of America, I have the statics to back me up. I also have the press conferences defending outright murder on the streets from heads of PDs, the brutality of beating of protestors, and article upon article about the Blue Wall of Silence and the ostracized cops who did the right thing.

You know how Republicans like to say it's only a few bad apples? They always forget the important part of that saying. That it spoils the bunch. Because every apple rots.

3 cops watched a fellow officer slowly kill George Floyd. Here's why so many officers don't intervene.

Study finds misconduct spreads among police officers like contagion

You are offended that someone pointed out that your father's chosen profession that has earned its reputation with the mistreatment of Americans, especially those that are minorities. To the point that you decided to build a strawman about "every individual cop is bad" to argue against it. Well I am offended that you compared being an ethnic minority to the chosen profession of being a cop. Because the chosen profession of being a cop does not compare to being black, brown, Asian, Jewish, Indian, Native America, Middle Eastern, gay, bisexual, transgender, or any other characteristic someone is actually born with. Being a cop is like being a Trump supporter. A choice. I have seen how you feel about Trump supporters. You have made it clear on this board many times.

Considering this is the BLM thread, it would probably be best to remember that of all the people that helped murderer George Floyd, not one of them reported the others for their conduct. No, I do not trust the police and I have every right not to. That doesn't make me a bigot. That makes me capable of reading, viewing footage and understanding it.

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think any reasonable person believes all cops are bad but the institution and the culture it fosters within it is broadly not conducive to making law enforcement accountable, trustworthy and honest.

In some law enforcement departments the culture really isn't too different to that of criminal gangs.

The blue line of silence culture which values law enforcement protecting their own above any moral, ethical or legal obligation to the general public taints every person in law enforcement who refuses to speak out when they see fellow officers doing wrong.

There are good cops but not enough to make a difference in changing the institution of law enforcement and not enough to have courage to do the right thing against their colleagues they know are corrupt.

By in large law enforcement has repeatedly shown an unwillingness to change on it's own and until it does many people will continue to not trust most police.

The criticism of law enforcement has been fairly consistent for decades. It's the same issues brought up and over and over that are never truly addressed.

 

[Teelie]

I have said before I know several cops. I have an uncle who is a cop. All of them are as far as I know, decent guys, but they are still cops and I still see the same kinds of triggers for them that remind me why I am always wary around them, even doing nothing at all. There is a kind of uneasiness being around cops, even ones I "trust" because they are trained so badly in how to handle certain situations.

And it is always in the back of my head how so many of them are trained to see everyone as a criminal who just has not been caught yet. Or those who have been in some intense situations that may have caused PTSD that might trigger an aggressive response.

Only occasionally have I personally had to interact with cops on a professional level, but I have. It has always been fine, but it is still a situation I don't like to be in.

 

[writer0327]

I'm always reminded of Col. Jessup's speech in "A Few good Men" when thinking of military and law enforcement officers who do the dirty work that civilizes a society. Being a cop is a hard job and my hats off to anyone who chooses it. They pretty much deal with some of the worse situations in society, the worst people, and some of the horror stories that many of us never have to witness. They throw themselves at this segment and keep us insulated from it to a certain degree. I'm not saying this to say cops aren't without flaws nor deserve a pass on their BS or that they have every right to jettison values because their job is hard. But their day-to-day reality is worth noting, and I'd imagine dealing with that element for so long can eat away at your own humanity. Best to avoid dealing with cops if you can has long been my mantra.

 

[moviedoors]

I'm always reminded of Col. Jessup's speech in "A Few good Men" when thinking of military and law enforcement officers who do the dirty work that civilizes a society. Being a cop is a hard job and my hats off to anyone who chooses it. They pretty much deal with some of the worse situations in society, the worst people, and some of the horror stories that many of us never have to witness. They throw themselves at this segment and keep us insulated from it to a certain degree. I'm not saying this to say cops aren't without flaws nor deserve a pass on their BS or that they have every right to jettison values because their job is hard. But their day-to-day reality is worth noting, and I'd imagine dealing with that element for so long can eat away at your own humanity. Best to avoid dealing with cops if you can has long been my mantra.

Col. Jessup is also the villain.