BloodyWolverines Top 80 Best Actors In Hollywood.

[The Chairman]

I never said Bale was the best or greatest actorit was a broad statement covering acting in general

and no need to apologize i honestly expected more of a response from you than falling back on the tired cliche of thinking what is put out there as paper weight material is valid point making

Um, okay, I'm not basing my opinion on what some magazine says. I could frankly care less about what they think. I'm basing it off my own ***ing personal opinion. I've seen HUNDREDS of films in my 15 & 3/4 years on this earth. I know what I truly think are the best films are, and who the best actors are. For yout to think I got my opinion from some magazine deeply hurts my intelligence.

And since you're actualy questioning the impact of the 1970s' on cinema, you obviously have not seen enough films fromt hater. So many cinematic taboos were broken during this era. Some of the most infleuntial, controversial and groundbreaking films ever were made. And many of them did indeed star Nicholson and the other actors I mentioned.

Also, range isn't everything. Acting isn't just about how diverse your palette is. It's also about the amount of effort, energy and dedication you put into the role. Nicholson, Pacino, De Niro and all those other guys may occasionally come off as the same character, but they almost never phone it in. They always give the role the best they've got, and that is what makes them great. And yes, impact on pop culture as well as other actors is a major factor as well.

Bale is no doubt a fabulous actor, but he still has a bit of way to go before he makes it into the upper echelon of the true greats.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Um, okay, I'm not basing my opinion on what some magazine says. I could frankly care less about what they think. I'm basing it off my own ***ing personal opinion. I've seen HUNDREDS of films in my 15 & 3/4 years on this earth. I know what I truly think are the best films are, and who the best actors are. For yout to think I got my opinion from some magazine deeply hurts my intelligence.

Well then pardon me but your opinion reads like a whose who list in Empire magazine.that's not meant as an offense

And since you're actualy questioning the impact of the 1970s' on cinema, you obviously have not seen enough films fromt hater. So many cinematic taboos were broken during this era. Some of the most infleuntial, controversial and groundbreaking films ever were made. And many of them did indeed star Nicholson and the other actors I mentioned.

I can assure you Ive seen a lot of 70's movies and you contradict a point you make here in the very next paragraph,breaking taboos means what exactly ? does it make better movies than Hitchcock made in the 40's and 50;s cos they said f^ck a few more times,were more cynical ? had movies where there was no clear moral line ? does that make them better ?
does that make them superior to the work Spielberg has done that has nothing at all to do with these taboos ?
Also playing on a winning team doesn't make you the best player

Also, range isn't everything. Acting isn't just about how diverse your palette is. It's also about the amount of effort, energy and dedication you put into the role. Nicholson, Pacino, De Niro and all those other guys may occasionally come off as the same character, but they almost never phone it in. They always give the role the best they've got, and that is what makes them great. And yes, impact on pop culture as well as other actors is a major factor as well.

your exclusion of range predicates the notion that Tom Cruise deserves more respect than he gets as no one is more dedicated or energetic about their films,that's fair enough with me but the art of acting is about portraying character of all types,i'd personally rank Gary oldman higher than the guys you are on about,he has played a myriad of roles all to great success and acclaim

Bale is no doubt a fabulous actor, but he still has a bit of way to go before he makes it into the upper echelon of the true greats

The true greats is a myth predicated by things such as the Oscars
i never said Bale was the greatest i said he has shown to be as good as these over-lauded movie mag question answers

 

[The Chairman]

Well then pardon me but your opinion reads like a whose who list in Empire magazine.that's not meant as an offense

I don't read Empire Magazine.

I can assure you Ive seen a lot of 70's movies and you contradict a point you make here in the very next paragraph,breaking taboos means what exactly ? does it make better movies than Hitchcock made in the 40's and 50;s cos they said f^ck a few more times,were more cynical ? had movies where there was no clear moral line ? does that make them better ?
does that make them superior to the work Spielberg has done that has nothing at all to do with these taboos ?
Also playing on a winning team doesn't make you the best player

There were more lines crossed in the 1970s' than any decade of cinema. As an example, I point yout one of Nicholson's earlist works, a 1971 Mike Nichols movie entitled Carnal Knowledge, a film whose stark, almost disturbing portrayal of sexual fidelity and obsession inspired an entire Supreme Court case. How many other films from those other decades can you find that caused something of that magnitude. Not to mention films like Last Tango In Paris, The Godfather, The Last Picture Show, Jaws, Taxi Driver and a host of other classics that revolutionized cinema in a way few films have.

Hitchcock's films, with the exception of Pyscho, were nowhere near as outwardly controversial. Most of the more explicit elements of his films weren't dissected in detail until after his death (for example, the homosexual aspects of Bruno (Robert Walker) from Strangers On A Train).

your exclusion of range predicates the notion that Tom Cruise deserves more respect than he gets as no one is more dedicated or energetic about their films,that's fair enough with me but the art of acting is about portraying character of all types,i'd personally rank Gary oldman higher than the guys you are on about,he has played a myriad of roles all to great success and acclaim

Okay, with the exception of a few rules, I always found Cruise to be your typical blockbuster popcorn actors (with the exception of Rain Man, Born On The Fourth Of July and Jerry Maguire, films I've only seen bits and pieces). My favorite Cruise movie is The Outsiders, a film in which he has an incredibly small amount of screen time in.

Also, while he's no doubt incredbly impressive, Oldman has almost always played the villian up until recently. So his range IMO isn't as impressive as some migh think.

The true greats is a myth predicated by things such as the Oscars
i never said Bale was the greatest i said he has shown to be as good as these over-lauded movie mag question answers

It wasn't until the 1990s' that the Oscars became questionable and later on a big joke. Up until 1990 (when Dances With Wolves inexplicably won over Goodfellas, thus starting the trend of the Oscars awarding the "safe, noncontroversial" choices rather than the more edgy fare, which were generally better), you could generally on them making the right choice.

And I stand by my opinion on Bale. He's just not there yet.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Bale is great, but he isn't the same caliber as De Niro, Pacino, Nicholson, and many others, including many of whom aren't around anymore. These guys each have...what...over 30 years of acting? Its not just about that, these guys have been parts of great movies that have not only defined the term, but influenced what we seen after them. And the greatness was a lot to do because of their performances.

One reason Bale is so great is because of his method acting, and the way he manifests that physically. De Niro is known for that, especially for Raging Bull where he gained significant weight for the role.

And there certainly are true greats, just like there is in every human endeavor.

 

[The Chairman]

Bale is great, but he isn't the same caliber as De Niro, Pacino, Nicholson, and many others, including many of whom aren't around anymore. These guys each have...what...over 30 years of acting? Its not just about that, these guys have been parts of great movies that have not only defined the term, but influenced what we seen after them. And the greatness was a lot to do because of their performances.

One reason Bale is so great is because of his method acting, and the way he manifests that physically. De Niro is known for that, especially for Raging Bull where he gained significant weight for the role.

And there certainly are true greats, just like there is in every human endeavor.

Thank you. I completely agree with you. I don't want to come off as Bale Basher, because I love Bale, but to put him in the same league as Jack, Al, De Niro, etc., is overhyping him a tad, at least in this stage of his career when he's just starting to emerge into the mainstream.

De Niro may well be the definitive method actor IMO. He dropped 97 % of his body fat for Cape Fear and in addition had his teeth made to look especially rotten.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't read Empire Magazine.

that wasn't my point

There were more lines crossed in the 1970s' than any decade of cinema. As an example, I point yout one of Nicholson's earlist works, a 1971 Mike Nichols movie entitled Carnal Knowledge, a film whose stark, almost disturbing portrayal of sexual fidelity and obsession inspired an entire Supreme Court case. How many other films from those other decades can you find that caused something of that magnitude. Not to mention films like Last Tango In Paris, The Godfather, The Last Picture Show, Jaws, Taxi Driver and a host of other classics that revolutionized cinema in a way few films have.

Hitchcock's films, with the exception of Pyscho, were nowhere near as outwardly controversial. Most of the more explicit elements of his films weren't dissected in detail until after his death (for example, the homosexual aspects of Bruno (Robert Walker) from Strangers On A Train).

I'm well aware of all of this,that's not what i asked you,being controversial and groundbreaking doesn't make something better or even good for that matter

Also, while he's no doubt incredbly impressive, Oldman has almost always played the villian up until recently. So his range IMO isn't as impressive as some migh think.

the contender,Dracula,Henry and June,Sid and Nancy
he wasn;t a bad guy in any of these movies,he's a well rounded actor who has nailed a lot of roles

It wasn't until the 1990s' that the Oscars became questionable and later on a big joke. Up until 1990 (when Dances With Wolves inexplicably won over Goodfellas, thus starting the trend of the Oscars awarding the "safe, noncontroversial" choices rather than the more edgy fare, which were generally better), you could generally on them making the right choice.

i stand by my earlier point

 

[The Chairman]

the contender,Dracula,Henry and June,Sid and Nancy
he wasn;t a bad guy in any of these movies,he's a well rounded actor who has nailed a lot of roles

Sid & Nancy is debatable.

Also:

Hannibal - bad guy
Air Force One - bad guy
The Fifth Element - bad guy
Leon - bad guy
True Romance - one of the best ****ing villians ever
Dracula - one of the ultimate villians in all of pop culture

As you can see, the bulk of Oldman's most popular work is made of villians.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I composited this list also on the future of the acting buisness. Jackman and Christian Bale are the future big demand actors in this buisness. Pacino, Deniro and Nickelson are in a differant class yes and no one will be better. I forget this guys name on my list but Danial Craig, Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale are the new big demand actors who will be as great in the future as some of the pioneers before them.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Sid & Nancy is debatable.

Also:

Hannibal - bad guy
Air Force One - bad guy
The Fifth Element - bad guy
Leon - bad guy
True Romance - one of the best ****ing villians ever
Dracula - one of the ultimate villians in all of pop culture

As you can see, the bulk of Oldman's most popular work is made of villians.

Well Sid is not a bad guy just a loser who ****ed his life up and while he has played a lot of bad guys i was pointing out that he has done more than that and done it very well

to tell the truth kid(not meant as an offense but to my old ass you are) you got me on a bad night,im kinda pissed off about other stuff and felt like chewing the fat over some debate,no harm meant i usually like yout:

To clarify i wasn't questioning those guys as great actors i was merely making a point that Bale in his short time has shown the diversity that makes me rank him

BTW where is the Gene Hackman love amongst all this greats talk ?

 

[The Chairman]

Well Sid is not a bad guy just a loser who ****ed his life up and while he has played a lot of bad guys i was pointing out that he has done more than that and done it very well

to tell the truth kid(not meant as an offense but to my old ass you are) you got me on a bad night,im kinda pissed off about other stuff and felt like chewing the fat over some debate,no harm meant i usually like yout:

To clarify i wasn't questioning those guys as great actors i was merely making a point that Bale in his short time has shown the diversity that makes me rank him

BTW where is the Gene Hackman love amongst all this greats talk ?

I myself am having a rough night, some really personal issues I won't get into.

And Hackman rocks.

See you tomorrow, I have school.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Sid & Nancy is debatable.

Also:

Hannibal - bad guy
Air Force One - bad guy
The Fifth Element - bad guy
Leon - bad guy
True Romance - one of the best ****ing villians ever
Dracula - one of the ultimate villians in all of pop culture

As you can see, the bulk of Oldman's most popular work is made of villians.

Whats your real point for Chris Walken and Alan Rickman could be viewed in the same light. Jeramy Irons as well. Though Oldman is known for playing bad guys . As he grew older wants to play nicer characters. This happens when actors become parents which he is.

I don' care which side of the light these actor's plays there just good plain and simple.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I myself am having a rough night, some really personal issues I won't get into.

And Hackman rocks.

See you tomorrow, I have school.

Sorry to hear,seems like one of those days



See ya then that's one thing i gladly dont have

 

[Truthteller]

I suppose these are actors that are not already dead? If not, then Cary Grant.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Hell yeah, Hackman rocks. One of my favs. He's easy to overlook for some reason. Maybe he doesn't have the looks or the trademark acting styles some of the other guys like Pacino have.

I like Oldman too. I just wish he'd play more non-villain straight roles. Thats one reason I was excited about Batman Begins; the chance to see Oldman playing a normal guy.