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Bought/Thought August 30th. (SPOILERS!)

Well, we were told ahead of time it was rushed. I read it and didn't really have a problem with it. It's one of my favorite books of the year.

I'm not buying the big hardbook deal because I don't really want it. How am I bending over again?
 
I should point out I don't actually think DC upgrading the art for the trade is a bad thing.

People who bought the comic had the excitement of knowing everything first plus all the discussion and monthly anticipation, which is a big part of an event.

Trade waiters got better art.


DC tried to release the best possible product within a deadline and instead of choosing to release a better product they chose to meet the deadline. But on a related product they didn't have a deadline issue so they could make improvements because time allowed them too.
 
Doc Destruction said:
Well, we were told ahead of time it was rushed. I read it and didn't really have a problem with it. It's one of my favorite books of the year.

I'm not buying the big hardbook deal because I don't really want it. How am I bending over again?
You're bending over by excusing it. Hell, anyone who thinks this is ok, or who goes out and buys it (if they bought the original issues) is bending over. It's saying that anytime DC needs something out because of monetary issues (52 being the obvious example in this case), it's ok.

They never called it rushed, to the best of my recollection. The artwork flubs are disgustingly obvious.
 
gildea said:
I should point out I don't actually think DC upgrading the art for the trade is a bad thing.

People who bought the comic had the excitement of knowing everything first plus all the discussion and monthly anticipation, which is a big part of an event.

Trade waiters got better art.


DC tried to release the best possible product within a deadline and instead of choosing to release a better product they chose to meet the deadline. But on a related product they didn't have a deadline issue so they could make improvements because time allowed them too.

Thank you. That was pretty much my point. I guess the others will have to agree to disagree with me.

Hell has just frozen over, gil ;)
 
gildea said:
I should point out I don't actually think DC upgrading the art for the trade is a bad thing.

People who bought the comic had the excitement of knowing everything first plus all the discussion and monthly anticipation, which is a big part of an event.

Trade waiters got better art.


DC tried to release the best possible product within a deadline and instead of choosing to release a better product they chose to meet the deadline. But on a related product they didn't have a deadline issue so they could make improvements because time allowed them too.


I really dont care really, I though the final issue of IC was piss poor anyway. Either way, I can see why some would get angry. Marc for example really doesnt buy DC and he bought all the IC issues because he wanted to get into it. He expected the best possible product out there. We all did. It was no secret that it was rushed art and the title was plagued with fill-in artists. #7 was even delayed. So now its over, and the trade is coming out and they are now replacing the crappy pages with all new ones. Keyword replace, its not supplemental. So I can see why Marc would think hes getting the shaft because he now sees his single issues as inferior to the new and improved pages in the trade. its not that hard to understand.
 
More Thoughts:

She-Hulk #11: There is just too much to love about Slott's She-Hulk. From the debate on how to volumize all the different versions of She-Hulk, to continuing with the ongoing debate of the Starfox debacle....Slott really knows how to create a comic that just continues to build on itself, while paying homage to past stories, ala Wolf-Man....errrr.....Man-Wolf. Hey, and you even care about the secondary characters just as much as She-Hulk, something that still is lacking very much in the Spider-Man comics. 9/10

Jack Kirby's Galactic Bounty Hunters #2: This is just a perfect comic to have under the Icon label. I absolutely love the old school feel, like how at the end of the comic we're already on Part 14 with just issue #2. The Kirby-style art is classic, this issue being pretty much spent on just getting the old team back together, and the fun that seems to come off every page is infectious. Marvel has a winner on it's hands, and it's all thanks to Jack "The King" Kirby! 8/10

Black Panther #19: Boy, this book sure has improved so much than when it first started out. It's great to see a change in the Black Panther mythos with his marriage to Storm, and it's excellent to see what is pretty much a one issue story, even though it's billed as being more. Plus, the rematch of Storm versus Doctor Doom has been a long time coming, even though it was kind of rushed. I can't wait to see where this World Tour takes them next. 8/10

Age Of Conan - Hyborian Adventures: I got this issue for one simple reason....It was free! If you like to read gaming magazines, pick up this months issue of GamePro; the comic is free inside. You get some nice barbarian adventure, and the only downside is that you will be longing for them to put out a Conan game for the X-Box 360 some day. How cool would that be! 7/10

X-Factor #10: Still, one of the best comics to come out of Decimation. This book has so many little stories going on, and each issue just gives us more. Now Madrox is probably going to be in deep trouble with M and Siryn, Rictor is debating an important decision, there is going to be more fallout over Madrox's decision to go against Superhero Registration, and Layla Miller is still stranger than ever. All this, and it doesn't even touch on the main story running in this issue!!! Seriously, I don't think Peter David has ever been better than he is with this version of X-Factor. 10/10

X-Men #190: Boy, is this a book a big improvement over what we had after Decimation.....but, how could you not improve on that crap. I loved this all-out action issue, thought is was great to see Northstar and Aurora back together again, and didn't even mind that we had to see the Mansion getting trashed for the umpteenth time. (Although, I will admit, the cost of maintaining that place must be astronomical!) It's great to see Cable back in an X-Men comic...and, finally, if they develop a romance between Bobby and Mystique, I'd be stoked. 8/10


Well, just four more Marvel comics to go, then I can finally check out my DC titles.
 
Marcdachamp said:
I'm grateful that Nightwing was spared, but not even explaining it? That's lazy, as is releasing something that you plan to change in a few months. On this board, I hear how Marvel's all about the money and DC cares more about the fans. Well, here, Marvel delays something, LOSING money, in order to make sure a good product is released, while DC just rushes it out so their precious 52 can come out on time.
I agree. I just read in WIZARD #180 about how the IC trade will have those "redrawn" scenes not only including Nightwing, but "the Batman family vs. Deathstroke", which woulda been nice to see. And then I got mad, like you. I bought IC all the way through, heck, it was because of that whole event that I've even bothered to be reading a lot of DC books over the past 2-3 years. IC #7 was already a month or so behind and it was fans like me who bought the monthly issue that helped DC actually win out over Marvel in May, the last month of IC. The industry would collapse in a heartbeat if every fan got wise and "waited for the trade". And now DC justifies this practice with their additions to the IC trade. If they wanted to make nice, they could offer the "trade" versions of the last issue or two of IC for maybe half the price. But they won't. Either you have to make due with your "rushed" climax, or shell out $30 for the trade, collecting 97% of pages you already have.

This naturally adds to the dilemma of "timely over quality", and honestly it wouldn't be a problem if DC hadn't announced what they were doing for the trade. It gives people a good reason to "double dip" on the trade, as some do, but it makes those of us who bought the last issues feel cheated. You're absolutely right, if Marvel had done this, there'd be people on the MB who'd be waging jihad and strapping metaphorical explosives to their chests. But apparently DC's sins, aside for ALL-STAR issues, can be forgiven. TheCorpulent1, Phaedrus45, Darthphere, Doc Destruction, and at times BrianWilly are the only folks I've seen who will actually call DC on their crap when they do it.

Granted, Marvel and DC could avoid all of these hassles if they employed enough artists for their event books. Like 2-3 regular ones, planned for the start. That way when one gets swamped about 2 issues in, the other steps up. And all this is announced and planned in advance. It factors into the schedule. But neither company would do that. It's too intelligent and simple.

And frankly, delaying CW for Marvel won't really cost them anything because stores will overorder the issues of them when they come out anyway. At worst some of the tie-in sales may slip, but I honestly doubt they will. ULTIMATES 2 has been shipping late about every 3-5 months and issues of that sell in the Top 15, every time. The end of EVIL THAT MEN DO sold well. Although I honestly am not as irked by the delay of the CW stuff as some people are, solely because it allows me to get a break from being smothered in CW storylines, which is appreciated. The agruements on both sides and the general tone of the story had been overdone so much by the midway point I felt I was drowning in the liberal-jerking, cynically dark tale. Now I've had about a month to catch my breath and I appreciate that. You can only take so much death, destruction and character rape at a time. What DC's done with the end of IC in trade is honestly a mistake to me, and at least for once, FOR ONCE, Marvel seems to have looked at something DC did, and NOT imitated it, actually going, "Wait, this didn't work". Because lord knows they don't do that in other areas. I mean, "Electro Superman" and "Unmasked Flash" are stories that DC did, made a stink about and then eventually swept under the rug, and Marvel learned nothing and did the exact same thing to Spider-Man, which will have the exact same conclusion.
 
Dread said:
TheCorpulent1, Phaedrus45 and at times BrianWilly are the only folks I've seen who will actually call DC on their crap when they do it.


I have failed.
 
Darthphere said:
I have failed.
I was only listing people off the top of my head. I'm in a rush right now.

Hey, everyone who's called DC on their crapola, raise your hand and I'll edit in your name. Seriously.
 
I read Mythos Hulk #1 and it was nice, I dont feel like doing a full review but it was good. Did Betty kill herself?
 
Dread said:
I was only listing people off the top of my head. I'm in a rush right now.

Hey, everyone who's called DC on their crapola, raise your hand and I'll edit in your name. Seriously.

I most certainly have.

Flash and Nightwing OYL were NOT good.

Batgirl is getting a character raping.

The destruction of the JLE is depressing.

The new Blue Beetle is meh.
 
Darthphere said:
I read Mythos Hulk #1 and it was nice, I dont feel like doing a full review but it was good. Did Betty kill herself?
She died of Radiation Poisoning, I believe.
 
Darthphere said:
That was weird, they just showed her there, dead.
I didn't read Mythos, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Betty Banner, correct?
 
I still want X-Men Mythos.:(
 
I really haven't minded Civil War being late. With me getting fewer comics, I've been able to afford some trade paperbacks and DVDs.

Anyway, I just finished reading the following two comics:

Ultimate Fantastic Four #33: Now, I will admit I'm probably not giving this book a fair shake. The previous team made this my favorite Ultimate title, and the new team just doesn't compare. The art isn't anywhere on par with the previous, and this story didn't capture my interest in any way. Again, I'm biased....but, I do think about Daredevil. When Bendis left, I thought I'd probably be biased towards the new writer, but he had me wowed from his first issue. So, maybe I'm not biased after all....maybe it really is just average crap. 5/10

Ultimate X-Men Annual #2: Man, these annuals are really turning out to be highlights for some of the books. I don't think anything will compare to last years Ultimate Spider-Man Annual #1, but this book is so far my favorite in the Annuals for this year. I love that some loose ends are tied up, like Nightcrawlers reaction to Colossus after the whole gay thing and Rogue's ordeal with Gambit from last years Annual finally getting resolved. In fact, this is probably my favorite Ultimate X-Men book since that first annual came out. Now, if only the regular 616 books could take a cue from the Ultimate Universe and put out some great annuals like these. 9/10
 
Darthphere said:
Start making sense.

Order it for me then.


I know this is like three weeks late but screw it.:D


Civil War X-Men #2

I've heard alot of hate about this book. Well, they should re-name this, "The 198: Part 2" because that is basically what it is. This issue ties in to the 198 in ways that if you didn't read it, you'd be so confused. I really like seeing the original team in action even if it is against transformer wanna be Sentinels. Cykes contacts Cap in this, and poor Steve is all beat up, so I can assume this takes place after the first battle, so we can count out Herc dying or DD being the "traitor" because they are there with Cap. Cykes get controlled by another mutant with the most disturbing power, I always forget his name, and attacks Bishop when he comes after the 198.

Fun read, I'm enjoying it, not must read stuff, but if you liked the 198, you'll probably like this. 7/10
 

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