Brexit

[craigdbfan]

Can we add a poll to this? I think this is a big event in human history and deserves a poll more so than any topic on here quite frankly.

I'm actually curious about a poll because the Brexit topic is now more famous and penetrated the zeitgeist after its passing.

So here's the idea for the poll. Will this benefit the UK and the world at large and usher in a new era of the nation state and dividing the world into an unseen era of human civilization or has this destroyed the global fabric that has actually brought us streamlined and efficient services that would otherwise be stifled by a misplaced agenda of nationalism gone dramatically awry creating hundreds of new volatile nation states?

Regardless of our differences in world views and opinions, this is a major turning point in human civilization and specifically the Western supremacy that has been in place for thousands of years (constantly evolving, dying, and resurrecting).

 

[Reek]

I've given up on polls

 

[craigdbfan]

Well the poll here would be merely to gauge the support for either side of our community which isn't indicative to the opinion of the world at large.

It's a communal poll to gauge internal numbers.

 

[jmc]

Some articles trickling out now about people are now regretting their vote to leave because of the uncertainty of everything. People only learning now what it potentially means. I'm mean, **** me, people just following like sheep and voting without listening to the experts. I am almost certain there will be a second referendum on this.

 

[craigdbfan]

There won't be a second referendum. Guaranteed.

There will be more referendums across Europe however on leaving the EU. I know that much.

 

[jmc]

There won't be a second referendum. Guaranteed.

There will be more referendums across Europe however on leaving the EU. I know that much.

You realise this referendum isn't legally binding right? If more people demand it there will be another one. Besides the Leave side already said if the margins were close they would be open to another referendum. This is far from over.

 

[YoungBlood]

There won't be a second referendum. Guaranteed.

There will be more referendums across Europe however on leaving the EU. I know that much.

And you know that how?
What you're doing is pretty much what people/trols are doing on disqus, making assumptions and trying their hardest to sell them as facts. See it all the time on The Hill and Mediaite.

 

[craigdbfan]

And you know that how?
What you're doing is pretty much what people/trols are doing on disqus, making assumptions and trying their hardest to sell them as facts. See it all the time on The Hill and Mediaite.

All my predictions have been right so I don't qualify or fit in your anecdotal adventures through the internet.

You realise this referendum isn't legally binding right? If more people demand it there will be another one. Besides the Leave side already said if the margins were close they would be open to another referendum. This is far from over.

Historically this is fascinating. If another referendum is announced then so it is but I highly, highly doubt that will happen especially with Cameron already resigning.

 

[YoungBlood]

Whatever you say.

You're becoming the equivalent of Karl Rove and his election night meltdown.

 

[jmc]

Historically this is fascinating. If another referendum is announced then so it is but I highly, highly doubt that will happen especially with Cameron already resigning.

Cameron resigning doesn't have much to do with it. Frankly why the margin of victory was allowed to be a simple majority for a referendum this important is beyond me. This is the type of referendum that should have needed victory of at least 65% to have won.

 

[craigdbfan]

Cameron resigning doesn't have much to do with it. Frankly why the margin of victory was allowed to be a simple majority for a referendum this important is beyond me. This is the type of referendum that should have needed victory of at least 65% to have won.

You know I'll be honest with you and say that you're right. This is a huge decision and one not to be taken lightly so the winning margin should have been larger.

With that said I think the "Leave" vote is for the best and will be looked at as a pivotal and wise move in retrospect.

 

[Legendver2]

I've been on the opposing side of jmc for so long, it's kinda refreshing to see that we have similar opinions outside the DCEU

 

[jmc]

You know I'll be honest with you and say that you're right. This is a huge decision and one not to be taken lightly so the winning margin should have been larger.

Exactly, which is why I believe a second referendum will be held with a a larger margin of victory needed. This isn't just some election, it's a fundamental change to the UK as a whole and needed more than just 51% of the people supporting it.

 

[jmc]

I've been on the opposing side of jmc for so long, it's kinda refreshing to see that we have similar opinions outside the DCEU

See, I'm not all bad.

 

[craigdbfan]

Central banks have announced they will liquidate to ease the markets if need be!

Essentially meaning the markets will balance back out again.

 

[ARBH]

I've given up on polls

There was a "good" one last night.

 

[ARBH]

With that said I think the "Leave" vote is for the best and will be looked at as a pivotal and wise move in retrospect.

That remains to be seen, really. I personally think the economic response will plateau, and that as of this moment, it is much ado about nothing. I just get the feeling that the younger voters who chose to vote LEAVE, did so because it was the popular thing to do, to rage against the machine, without fully understanding what they were voting for.

I am too lazy to look up all the articles that have since been written after yesterday's vote to support this, but they are out there, stating that the young voters are having what could be described as "buyers remorse." I would never discourage young people from getting out to vote, but at least understand what you are voting for, and what the long-term impacts can be, locally and globally.

 

[jmc]

People think their votes never count. Hell I thought that not long ago until my national election a few years ago when the votes separating the two candidates in my local electorate was literally less than 100. Not that I really cared in the end, I donkey vote each election because I don't subscribe to political ideologies, but it made me realise when you vote it does matter.

 

[ARBH]

People think their votes never count. Hell I thought that not long ago until my national election a few years ago when the votes separating the two candidates in my local electorate was literally less than 100. Not that I really cared in the end, I donkey vote each election because I don't subscribe to political ideologies, but it made me realise when you vote it does matter.

Constituent votes count (as long as fraud is kept to a minimum.) Voting is important and a civic responsibility. Voting should be done with an understanding of the topic at hand though. Just going in and "pulling the lever" for a candidate, without understanding their voting record or stance on important issues is a disservice to yourself.

Without kicking the hornet's nest, that is why I can not vote for Trump. He speaks like he is a bumper sticker. Lacks substance and has provided next to no substantial policy. I do not know what I am going to get with him. And that is scarier to me than the alternative candidate(s).

 

[jmc]

Voting is compulsory where I live, so I can either pay the $20 fine for not voting or simply get my name marked off and draw a smiley face on the paper.

 

[ARBH]

Voting is compulsory where I live, so I can either pay the $20 fine for not voting or simply get my name marked off and draw a smiley face on the paper.

Maybe I am just a more into the political landscape than you. Which is fine. But, there probably will not be a candidate I would want to vote into office come the US general election. So I am pretty well f***ed.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Can we add a poll to this? I think this is a big event in human history and deserves a poll more so than any topic on here quite frankly.

I'm actually curious about a poll because the Brexit topic is now more famous and penetrated the zeitgeist after its passing.

So here's the idea for the poll. Will this benefit the UK and the world at large and usher in a new era of the nation state and dividing the world into an unseen era of human civilization or has this destroyed the global fabric that has actually brought us streamlined and efficient services that would otherwise be stifled by a misplaced agenda of nationalism gone dramatically awry creating hundreds of new volatile nation states?

Regardless of our differences in world views and opinions, this is a major turning point in human civilization and specifically the Western supremacy that has been in place for thousands of years (constantly evolving, dying, and resurrecting).

Western supremacy is branching off.

The far right is going the white nationalist route, the moderates just want comfort and stability and progressives just want society to be to be tolerant, peaceful, environmentally sound, compassionate for the destitute, etc.

All I know is there nothing supreme about the white nationalist route...

...though my value system involves civil liberties, diversity, and a social safety net.

I'm basically the opposite of people like you and I couldn't be happier about it.

 

[spider-neil]

Having a referendum this important that affects the country's fate for decades be decided by a 2% majority is idiotic.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Central banks have announced they will liquidate to ease the markets if need be!

Essentially meaning the markets will balance back out again.

If recovery was so easy then why isn't everyone doing it after a couple months?

There's no way isolationism is the only key to a speedy recovery.

That sounds like B.S.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I blame Germany for this.