Burtonize Forever

[Victarion]

I've long wondered, aside from different actors in the roles, how would Tim Burton would have done The Riddler and Two-Face. What would their origins be? For Two-Face, I would wager Dent would've brought Chip Shreck to court, in a case against his energy-sucking power plant. But for Riddler, I've drawn a blank. Help please? What would his story be?

 

[MGilhuly14]

I doubt the Riddler would have even been involved. If he was I'd say that he would have been drastically different considering what he did with the Penguin. Catwoman was also suppose to be in Burton's third film.

 

[Joker831]

Well considering heavy RUMORS i've heard over the years, most consistant were this.

Riddler was going to be a shrink who treated Bruce Wayne. He idolizes Bruce and thus finds out his dirty secret of being Batman. Other then being a shrink, he was the newest criminal in town, obsessed with showing the cops and Batman he was smarted, leaving riddles at his crimes. Now with this secret, the game is stepped up.

Apparently Burton had Robin Williams slated and he would just have a green suit and wore purple shades. He was even so bizarre that he had a question mark shaved into his hair.

Im sure Burton would gave us a dark Riddler, but nothing to drastic, it's not a hard character to get wrong, even when you tweek it.

Burton's TwoFace....was originally in Max Schrek's role, and the end with Catwomen would cause his scar's, but when WB decided to buy Billy Dee Williams out, that was scrapped.

It's safe to say i think Burton's TwoFace would had been not for children in terms of looks lol. I think he and Billy would had done great with the character. Such a shame it never happened.

 

[frodawgg]

^^^they were gonna change Two-Face's identity? Well, then again, Harvey Dent was black (which I still wish Billy Dee was Two-Face), and they were gonna cast Marlon Wayans as Robin.

If I could change ONE THING about BF--believe me, there's lots I would like to--it's having Batman in the court. I know it was how it was in the old comics and he would appear in places like that. But, a more realistic, and darker, Batman movie wouldn't have him do that. I know this was before The Long Halloween where Bruce was in disguise in court, but they could have figured out a better way to present putting Batman in court. Every time I think of Batman jumping to block the acid, I think of a "Simpsons" episode where Homer is the mayor's bodyguard, and he is jumping in slow motion to save the mayor.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Apparently Burton had Robin Williams slated and he would just have a green suit and wore purple shades. He was even so bizarre that he had a question mark shaved into his hair.

There were make-up tests for Williams with the '?' shaved into his head, and the British Sky magazine printed a photo of it back in 1994.

 

[Rynan]

There were make-up tests for Williams with the '?' shaved into his head, and the British Sky magazine printed a photo of it back in 1994.

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[MGilhuly14]

Yea plus Michael Duncan Jr was going to play Robin

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Pics or it didn't happen.

LOL

 

[ReptileOrion]

I would have been all for a third Batman film from Burton. If it were made it may have affected Batman Begins today but who knows. The Max Shreck and Chip Shreck characters were great. Chip could have definitely been a physical threat to Batman. Andrew Bryniarski is a big dude and it would have been cool to see going toe to toe with Keaton as Batman.

From watching the new DVDs Warner Bros. wanted a lighter Batman film. I think Burton could have delivered a lighter film but not as light as Schumacher.

 

[El Payaso]

I don't think Burton was going to have a Robin there at the end of the day. As in Returns they played with the idea, but in the end they didn't do it. Burton didn't like the character so I really doubt it.

 

[Joker831]

No frodawgg....i didnt mean they were gonna change his identity.....i ment that instead of Max Schrek, the role was originally written for Harvey Dent, who began his plunge into insanity....thus why he would back Oswald. He was still a good guy, just blinded by his problems.

And, it would make more sense, not that it didnt in the movie, but more sense for a D.A to have that kind of political power to get a mayor in office rather a powerful Powerplant/Department store owner.

 

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Plus you can visit www.geocities.com/burtonsbatman3
It has a good dossier on the subject

 

[frodawgg]

No frodawgg....i didnt mean they were gonna change his identity.....i ment that instead of Max Schrek, the role was originally written for Harvey Dent, who began his plunge into insanity....thus why he would back Oswald. He was still a good guy, just blinded by his problems.

i gotcha

 

[fabman]

KEVIN ROEGELE: You're joking (abot The Riddler / Williams pics), aren't you?

 

[batlovescatDC]

I heard that Burton was gonna have Catwoman back... along with Two-Face and Riddler. Robin was set as Riddler, and I heard Johnny Depp was set as Two-Face/Dent... and of course, Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman/Selina Kyle. And I know one thing.... there would've been a wicked, wild, f**ed up version of Arkham Asylum in it.

 

[batlovescatDC]

KEVIN ROEGELE: You're joking (abot The Riddler / Williams pics), aren't you?

I think I remember seeing Robin Williams as the Joker pic.


He was definitely slated to play The Riddler first, even after Burton left, b/c he hates Schumacher for using him for "bait to get Jim Carrey".

 

[Kevin Roegele]

KEVIN ROEGELE: You're joking (abot The Riddler / Williams pics), aren't you?

Nope.

 

[fabman]

WHHHHHEEEEEERRRRREEEEEE???? Where can I find that pic? The scavenger hunt has begun!

Seriously, do you think it's possible to find this Sky Magazine issue?

 

[Morgoth]

I've long wondered, aside from different actors in the roles, how would Tim Burton would have done The Riddler and Two-Face. What would their origins be? For Two-Face, I would wager Dent would've brought Chip Shreck to court, in a case against his energy-sucking power plant. But for Riddler, I've drawn a blank. Help please? What would his story be?

Same origin for Two-Face 'cause it was at least done right in Forever.

Same for Riddler, maybe a bit darker more toned down.

Tommy Lee as Face under the great Tim Burton's direction would be much better and this great actor would show his true potential and be as good as Jack as Joker, not just trying to be like him, but to be a character all his own.

 

[Juggernaut33]

There were make-up tests for Williams with the '?' shaved into his head, and the British Sky magazine printed a photo of it back in 1994.

That’s not logical ! You’are telling us that a picture of Robin Williams with the question mark hair cut was published in 1994 but since late 1992 Burton knew that he wasn’t going to direct the sequel so how could he have been able to cast Robin Williams to play the Riddler and to done make up test.on him. Come on ! In 1994 Batman Forever was in production so would you tell me how could this be possible ? It didn’t make sense ! But you see that’s the kind of thing that people are fantasming about. I mean, Burton only got ideas about Batman 3, there was no writter, no script, no cast, no nothing ! People are cleaming that Burton casted Marlon Wayans for playing Robin, that’s wrong, Marlon confirmed it a long ago !

So put that in your mind : those are all rumors !

 

[Kevin Roegele]

That’s not logical ! You’are telling us that a picture of Robin Williams with the question mark hair cut was published in 1994 but since late 1992 Burton knew that he wasn’t going to direct the sequel so how could he have been able to cast Robin Williams to play the Riddler and to done make up test.on him. Come on ! In 1994 Batman Forever was in production so would you tell me how could this be possible ? It didn’t make sense !

You haven't read what I've written. I never said Burton had anything to do with the picture of Robin Williams, because to this day I've never seen anything to suggest that Burton did talk with him. Williams was annoyed that he was used to get Jack Nicholson to play the Joker.

And use some logic. If the picture was shown in 1994, you could have worked out that it was to do with Schumacher and not Burton. Schumacher is the one who approached Williams, not Burton.

But you see that’s the kind of thing that people are fantasming about. I mean, Burton only got ideas about Batman 3, there was no writter, no script, no cast, no nothing ! People are cleaming that Burton casted Marlon Wayans for playing Robin, that’s wrong, Marlon confirmed it a long ago !

Burton didn't cast Wayan for Batman 3, he cast him for Batman Returns. That's pretty basic stuff, you should be aware of this sort of thing before you make your arguments.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

WHHHHHEEEEEERRRRREEEEEE???? Where can I find that pic? The scavenger hunt has begun!

Seriously, do you think it's possible to find this Sky Magazine issue?

I've looked on Ebay, but I don't fancy buying a year's worth of Sky magazines.

However, I saw the magazine when I was at school so it would not have been am issue produced duting the summer holiday.

 

[Juggernaut33]

And use some logic. If the picture was shown in 1994, you could have worked out that it was to do with Schumacher and not Burton. Schumacher is the one who approached Williams, not Burton.

Schumacher never approached Williams. Robin Williams wouldn't have accepted because he said that he wanted apologizes from Warner Bros. for using him to negociate Jack Nicholson's contract. The question mark hair cut didn't necesarly mean that Williams was screen tested. Jim Carrey was Joel Schumacher's first choice for the Riddler, he never met Williams.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Schumacher never approached Williams. Robin Williams wouldn't have accepted because he said that he wanted apologizes from Warner Bros. for using him to negociate Jack Nicholson's contract. The question mark hair cut didn't necesarly mean that Williams was screen tested. Jim Carrey was Joel Schumacher's first choice for the Riddler, he never met Williams.

Oh yes he did. Repeatedly. And Williams accepted, then declined, several times.

Robin Williams was Schumacher's first choice for the Riddler.

 

[fabman]

we should make a shoutout... anyone who has sky magazines 1994, SCAN AND POST!!!