Bush in History

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One hundred years from now, how do you think Bush would be viewed in history? Nixon is basically considered a crook, and even though Clinton had a strong sex drive, he's basically known as a good President? How about Bush? Will he be seen as a advocate of a poor nation who freed them from a blood thisty dictator or oil hungry deviant who was just as corrupt? Post peeps!
 
I believe history will be kinder to him than it seems right now. Having said that, he's still:
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How about Clinton? Dude took a lot of heat for some of his decisions at the time but......well, do you think history will be kind to him as well?
 
I think a hundred years from now he wont be remembered unless Iraq trigger world war 3. Then he'll be known as the guy who messed up really big.
 
Every president has made mistakes during their tenure in the White House. With that said, I think Clinton will be remembered more for his successes than failures, but will remained tainted by the Lewinsky scandal; it will not be as important as it is today, but it will appear as a side-note, mostly because he was impeached for it.

Bush's legacy, however, rides on the outcome of the Iraq War. Should Iraq unite and establish itself as a peaceful, possibly democratic nation, then he will be viewed favorably. However, if it remains unresolved and we eventually pull-out without a stable government in place, and the civil war continues, he will be called a war monger who bit off more than he could chew.

We must also remember that the greatest irony about history is that we cannot gain the perspective on it until those who experienced it are gone. This sense of detachment allows for a broader, more accepting view, so we can only really guess what these legacies will be.
 
I basically agree with Spider-bite that in 100 years Bush probably won't really be remembered. If he is, it will be for the Iraq war obviously, but I highly doubt it will be seen as such a terrible move that it is today simply because nobody will remember this war. It'll simply be coined an unpopular war in the history books.
 
He will be remembered as that ******ed *****e bag president who couldn't tell his ass from his elbow.
 
Like someone else mentioned, it will probably depend on how the Iraq war goes. However, I'm sure whether we "win" or "lose" this war, he'll probably be put in a factoid about taking away most, if not all, of our rights and suspending habeous corpus.
 
i don't see any way for him to turn his legacy around at this point. he's got 18 months left and the way his administration's scandals keep building up, he's going to be remembered as one of the most incompetent, corrupt and despised presidents of all time.
 
Honestly, I'd compare him to Warren G. Harding. He's considered an awful president now, but was absolutely reviled when in office, and for good reason.
 
He will be regarded much more favorably than he is now.

If Iraq turns out to be anything other than a huge failure for America (basically as long as Iraq doesn't become worse than it was under Saddam - threat to America wise) He could go down as a Truman, who was facing the threat of impeachment by the time he stepped down.

Of course if Iraq becomes a complete failure and ends up hurting America greatly in the long run - he will be another LBJ.

He, however, will not go down as the or one of the worst Presidents ever.
 
Remember, right before and during WWII, there was a massive number of Brits who loathed Winston Churchill. He was going very much against popular opinion when he declared Nazi Germany a threat.

But Just look at how Churchhill is regarded now. It could be the same thing with Bush. We'll have to wait, not just to see how the war turns out, but the resulting events after the war, to make a fair judgement call.
 
How about Clinton? Dude took a lot of heat for some of his decisions at the time but......well, do you think history will be kind to him as well?

Clinton will be one of those forgotten presidents who did a passable job at the time but really did nothing important enough to make for anything more than a period's worth of boring lecture in 10th grade history.

Bush on the other hand will either go down as one of the greats or one of the worst. It all depends on how this Iraq fiasco leaves the Middle East in 10 years.
 
I just don't see him being seen as the worst president or anythign simply because most of the things he has done, can pretty much be easily undone, or will just go away.

I highly doubt a war with Iraq will start WWIII, so it isn't going to be the next major historical war which means it will most likely be somewhat discarded in it's importance.

The same goes with things such as the patriot act and whatnot that many believe stamp out freedom. These things can go away relatively easily. Nothing Bush has done so far has lead to irreversable change in our country or the world nor has it drastically changed the majority of the world for a short amount of time like WWII.

This is why Bush might be seen as a below average president, but I don't think will be considered the worst president ever or anythign like that.
 
The Iraq War could spread chaos throughout the Middle East. It starts out as a simple civil war within the oil rich Iraq, but then Iran decides to start pulling one side's strings, Syria starts to pull another's, and the US is in the middle of it all, and you can see how easily it could escalate.
 
^ Yeah, that is a possibility, I will agree to that, but it's just not what I think will happen. i think we will eventually get out of Iraq with it being a little less ****ty as it is now, and then basically the rest of the middle east will be unchanged. We will still say we are watching them closely and they will still tell us to go screw ourselves.

If this is the case, then I don't see Bush's presidencey really meanign anything in 100 years.

If however you are right, then I do agree that he could definately be either great or terrible.
 
Trust me, there is no way that Iraq will just magically come together... AFter having lived in the region for I'd say far longer than most people on this board have, it's a sheer **** fest right now and I worry about my friends and family who are out there currently on a daily basis cuz of the major spill over potential this war has.

It seems balkanization seems the way to deal with it, that's how Bosnia was taken care of, as in you split up the country into its respective religious/ethnopolitical borders cuz as much as Bush gets the blame for screwing up Iraq big time... Iraqis right now are killing other Iraqis, they hate the hell out of each other and there is no chance theyw ill live together in peace.
 
He'll be remembered as a clown who lied to the public and ****ed us all over.

People are forgetting because the news is focusing on "winning" the war like it's a football game. But this is serious. Football games come and go, war is the end for thousands of people over there getting shot.

Definitely depends on whether anything good comes from iraq, but I doubt it. One of the biggest blunders in history.
 
Bush will be memorable, but if it's positive or negative remains to be seen. Personally, i don't care for his policies, but if in ten years the Middle East stabilizes, i guess you'll have to say that he was for the most part a sucess.
 
Well, let's see. He's managed to completely polarize the nation between the liberal and neo-con extremes. He's taken a record surplus and turned it into a record deficit. He's destroyed our education system with his "No Child Allowed To Excel" program. He's set civil rights back several decades with his fixation on immigration and gay marriage. He's been a massive enemy of free speech and personal freedoms. He's decimated foreign relations with the rest of the world. His administration is racked with scandal and dirty dealings . He's mired us in an incredibly costly "war" that we can never exit from gracefully even though he was advised not to do so and with no real reasons for doing it in the first place. He's given big tax breaks to the obscenely rich and mostly ignored the middle and lower classes. He's engaged in cronieism, given corporate lobbyists more sway, power and influence than they've ever known, and catered to big business over the interests of the American people, not to mention been completely unconcerned with the environment. And historians and communication departments are going to have a ball dissecting the rhetoric and manipulation of information this administration has used to accomplish their goals. Yeah, I'd say that Bush and his cronies will be well remembered.

jag
 
Well, let's see. He's managed to completely polarize the nation between the liberal and neo-con extremes. He's taken a record surplus and turned it into a record deficit. He's destroyed our education system with his "No Child Allowed To Excel" program. He's set civil rights back several decades with his fixation on immigration and gay marriage. He's been a massive enemy of free speech and personal freedoms. He's decimated foreign relations with the rest of the world. His administration is racked with scandal and dirty dealings . He's mired us in an incredibly costly "war" that we can never exit from gracefully even though he was advised not to do so and with no real reasons for doing it in the first place. He's given big tax breaks to the obscenely rich and mostly ignored the middle and lower classes. He's engaged in cronieism, given corporate lobbyists more sway, power and influence than they've ever known, and catered to big business over the interests of the American people, not to mention been completely unconcerned with the environment. And historians and communication departments are going to have a ball dissecting the rhetoric and manipulation of information this administration has used to accomplish their goals. Yeah, I'd say that Bush and his cronies will be well remembered.

jag
vote jag :up:
 
Well, let's see. He's managed to completely polarize the nation between the liberal and neo-con extremes. He's taken a record surplus and turned it into a record deficit. He's destroyed our education system with his "No Child Allowed To Excel" program. He's set civil rights back several decades with his fixation on immigration and gay marriage. He's been a massive enemy of free speech and personal freedoms. He's decimated foreign relations with the rest of the world. His administration is racked with scandal and dirty dealings . He's mired us in an incredibly costly "war" that we can never exit from gracefully even though he was advised not to do so and with no real reasons for doing it in the first place. He's given big tax breaks to the obscenely rich and mostly ignored the middle and lower classes. He's engaged in cronieism, given corporate lobbyists more sway, power and influence than they've ever known, and catered to big business over the interests of the American people, not to mention been completely unconcerned with the environment. And historians and communication departments are going to have a ball dissecting the rhetoric and manipulation of information this administration has used to accomplish their goals. Yeah, I'd say that Bush and his cronies will be well remembered.

jag

Couldn't have summed it up better myself. :up::yay:


No really, I couldn't.:csad:
 
Bush could've been a highly regarded leader in historical terms.

But then that dumbass invaded Iraq without provocation or an exit strategy.

I can't believe he got re-elected after he invaded Iraq even though it had nothing to do with 9-11 and there was no eminent threat. Are people really that stupid? :huh:
 

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