Bush owes troops an apology, not Kerry

roach said:
If it was a botched joke why didnt he apologize as soon as he said it
My guess would be that the people who were there when he said it knew what he meant. And the people who got upset about it, only saw the edited version. Why should he apologize when someone else takes his comment out of context in order to distort his meaning?
 
Mal'Akai said:
My guess would be that the people who were there when he said it knew what he meant. And the people who got upset about it, only saw the edited version. Why should he apologize when someone else takes his comment out of context in order to distort his meaning?
Because he left out a key word that changes the whole joke...
 
i prefer Ironsights... mainly cuz the name sounds more hip
 
Mal'Akai said:
My guess would be that the people who were there when he said it knew what he meant. And the people who got upset about it, only saw the edited version. Why should he apologize when someone else takes his comment out of context in order to distort his meaning?


this is politics..every word means something
why not come out and clarify himself...regain support with the troops by apologizing if anyone was offended by this mistake
 
Funny. I thought it was fairly clear whom his comment was directed to, and it wasn't anyone currently in uniform in the military.
 
Fred_Fury said:
when the ***** did I say that? Im a grenadier, m203 rifleman in a dismount squad in the 3rd ID Mechanized Infantry. My unit is being deployed to iraq pretty soon (for opsec reasons, I cannot disclose the exact date)


Not what you siad a couple of months ago in another thread. I never forget.
 
Addendum said:
Funny. I thought it was fairly clear whom his comment was directed to, and it wasn't anyone currently in uniform in the military.


Honestly who is "stuck in Iraq"
Is the President stuck in Iraq....im pretty sure he's the one who could get us out faster than anyone else...so how is he "stuck"? Again if the comment is get "us" stuck in Iraq then how does that apply. Again it's the president's choice how long we will be there.....or

is it the guys being shot at, thrown rocks at, wrongfully accused of war crimes, blown up, being told that the date they were supposed to come back has changed the ones who are "Stuck" in Iraq
 
roach said:
this is politics..every word means something
why not come out and clarify himself...regain support with the troops by apologizing if anyone was offended by this mistake
Well, that I can't say. But I doubt ANY politician would commit carear suicide by calling the troops stupid. Even if my former LT was very stupid.
 
Mal'Akai said:
Well, that I can't say. But I doubt ANY politician would commit carear suicide by calling the troops stupid. Even if my former LT was very stupid.

Kerry has made a career of disrespecting the troops
 
Darthphere said:
Not what you siad a couple of months ago in another thread. I never forget.

I think you were probably hallucinating. Ive never had a clerical job.
 
roach said:
Honestly who is "stuck in Iraq"
Is the President stuck in Iraq....im pretty sure he's the one who could get us out faster than anyone else...so how is he "stuck"? Again if the comment is get "us" stuck in Iraq then how does that apply. Again it's the president's choice how long we will be there.....or

is it the guys being shot at, thrown rocks at, wrongfully accused of war crimes, blown up, being told that the date they were supposed to come back has changed the ones who are "Stuck" in Iraq
I don't think the President can get the troops out of Iraq, especially since he spent 2-3 years saying "stay the course". That's who the comment was directed to. It seems that party affiliation does affect one's hearing. Glad I think no party in the States is worth membership.

As for the comments about "wrongfully accused of war crimes", human rights violations have happened on all sides in Iraq.

U.S Armed Forces:
Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
Haditha killings - alleged murder of 24 civilians, including women and children (Under investigation)
Ishaqi incident - alleged murder of 11 civilians, including five children (Under investigation)
Hamadiya incident - alleged kidnapping and murder of one civilian (Under investigation)
Mahmudiyah incident - alleged gang-rape and murder of a 14 year old girl and the murder of her parents and 7 year old sister, all civilians. (Under investigation)
Mukaradeeb - alleged bombing and shooting of at least 42 civilians (Under investigation

Insurgent forces:
Killing over 12,000 Iraqis over the period of January 2005 - June 2006, according to Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr, giving the first official count for the largest category of victims of bombings, ambushes and other increasingly deadly attacks. The insurgents have also conducted numerous suicide attacks on the Iraqi civilian population, mostly targeting the majority Shia community, such as the Attack on the Shia district of Sadr City, Baghdad, on 02/07/2006 which claimed at least 66 lives. An October 2005 report from Human Rights Watch examines the range of civilian attacks and their purported justification.
The bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad in August 2003 which killed the top U.N. representative in Iraq and 21 other UN staff members.
The February 2006 bombing of the al-Askari Mosque, destroying one of the holiest Shiite shrines, killing over 165 worshipers and igniting sectarian strife and reprisal killings.
Beheading several diplomats: two Algerian diplomatic envoys Ali Belaroussi and Azzedine Belkadi, Egyptian diplomatic envoy al-Sherif, and four Russian diplomats.
The publicized murders of several non-military persons including; construction contractor Eugene Armstrong, supply contractor Jack Hensley, translator Kim Sun-il, supply contractor Kenneth Bigley, Bulgarian truck drivers Ivaylo Kepov and Georgi Lazov, Shosei Koda, Italian Fabrizio Quattrocchi, charity worker Margaret Hassan, reconstruction engineer Nick Berg, Italian photographer, 52 year old Salvatore Santoro and Iraqi supply worker Seif Adnan Kanaan. Most of these civilians were subjected to brutal torture and/or beheading.
Torture or murder of members of the New Iraqi Army, and assassination of civilians associated with the Coalition Provisional Authority, such as Fern Holland, or the Iraqi Governing Council, such as Aqila al-Hashimi and Ezzedine Salim, or other foreign civilians, such as those from Kenya.

Iraqi government:
The widespread use of torture by Iraqi security forces.
Shiite-run death squads run out of the Interior Ministry that are accused of committing numerous massacres of Sunni Arabs and the police collusion with militias in Iraq have compounded the problems.
 
Fred_Fury said:
I think you were probably hallucinating. Ive never had a clerical job.


I think youre probably full of ****.
 
Addendum said:
I don't think the President can get the troops out of Iraq, especially since he spent 2-3 years saying "stay the course". That's who the comment was directed to. It seems that party affiliation does affect one's hearing. Glad I think no party in the States is worth membership.

As for the comments about "wrongfully accused of war crimes", human rights violations have happened on all sides in Iraq.

U.S Armed Forces:

Haditha killings - alleged murder of 24 civilians, including women and children (Under investigation)
Ishaqi incident - alleged murder of 11 civilians, including five children (Under investigation)
Hamadiya incident - alleged kidnapping and murder of one civilian (Under investigation)
Mahmudiyah incident - alleged gang-rape and murder of a 14 year old girl and the murder of her parents and 7 year old sister, all civilians. (Under investigation)
Mukaradeeb - alleged bombing and shooting of at least 42 civilians (Under investigation

are we calling these human rights violations if they havent been convicted????
 

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