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Can a Modern day world exist and thrive without the Concept of Money??

But the key word(s) of the question was "Modern Day" How would the internet exist, and how would computers exist?
Yes, some semblance of society could exist without an economy of any sort, but would it be anything like modern day society? Probably not.
Who can say for sure though?
Now I'm not sure about the details of everything but this is how i see it

With regards to work, Money ultimately buys labour and raw materials.

Now the structure of a modern day society may be changed, but I don't think it would be limited with regards to technological advancements and so forth.

This is as long as people who were capable and had a large interest in these fields were happy to stay in these fields and there was a reduced sense of market competition with large competitor companies merging, streamlining and collaborating their greatest minds into finding the best solution.

You'd also probably find human advancements would happen quicker, alot of revolutionary technology is not actually patented and kept as inhouse secrets because it gives a company an edge on the competitor, you'd also have to make sure you were able to claim back on all the r and d costs so filtration into the market would be slower based on attempting to make back costs.

I actually do think money can slow down technological advacements.
 
Obviously no one is going to do something without somehow being compensated. The deed performed would merit a compensation of equal value. If I do a job, what job is done in return to me? If I build something, will something be built for me? Who will determine that the "payment" (for lack of a better word) is equal to the job I performed?

Here is the system. For a society without money to operate, I'd believe you'd need to

YOur Society MUST have a shared goal and understanding about how you are going to move things forward and everyone's role and contribution in this will be valued EQUALLY. They will also have an impact on what goes on and how things are run.

Adopt a Life long learning attitude so society can reclaim back many of our basic skills we have lost out convinience and REDUCE the value and need for others to fulfill these skills for us.

Any Deed you perform MUST be less than the value of all the other things contributed to you. If you start seeking equal and opposite than you are putting a commodity on your work and feel equal compensation is required.

So on a small household scale, you might simply do the dishes, but you are fed, washed, cleaned entertained and kept warm. your sister may provide the etertainment and cleaning but then she has her dishes washed, is fed, kept warm etc. You'd also make sure your skills were transferable so if you left, the sytem would not fall about and they could be compensated for. The same goes for if you decided to reduce your input, instead of everyone else decreasing (feeling hard done by), you would still be provided for.

Of course over a life, with positive condition and an overwhelming sense that society has been good to you and provided you with your needs and hasn't attempted to manipulate you into wanting, one would be more inclined to pitch in because they have an emotional interest in their community members.



If I build a house with three bedrooms, and in return, I get a house with two bedrooms, have I been cheated? And what about the materials used to build that house? If I need so many thousands of nails, what is proper compensation for those nails? And what about the person who makes the nails? What can they get as compensation from the person who "buys" the nails? Remember, everything must have equal value. What is equal value to a nail?
If you build a house with three bedrooms AND can pass on some of that knowledge to others, you are fed, housed, entertained, kept warm, allowed to rest read learn, educate, relax, dance party, post on the hype, allowed fame prestige, technical gadgets, cars, the need to travel etc.

and this would be the same for all other professions. Of course this would ultimately lead to a streamlining of alot of jobs which would mean a lack of competition and a reduction in alot of service type roles but it would free up people in other sectors and provide more of a rotatary economy where people would have more time for further development and entertainment. It'd also reduce the stress the current system causes which makes the desire for extreme forms of escapisms less justified.

This is as I believe, no aspect in life is really worth more than any other. Life is not a sum of its parts but a unique collective synergy made up of everything. Take one aspect away and your subexisting.

But again, with regards to the house, we'd need to find out what type of house is needed rather than wanted. you'd have to find out what type of home could fulfill an individual's needs rather than their wants. If they do have wants, make them readily available so it doesn't make it a negative motivating phenomenon that makes them alter their input to society considerably.
See how it gets tricky? A single monetary unit that everyone agrees has value makes life so much easier. Sure there is compensation in prostitution (everyone likes sex) but who is the prostitute? What if you arent attracted to him or her? Drugs? Not everyone does drugs.
You're right, it's easier, easier to control other people. Easier to manipulate the masses with and keep in order.
 
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Thats pretty naive.

And? I think it's pretty naive to think that greed and currency are the only way the human race can thrive. People haven't always depended on it and theres no reason to think that we can't evolve into something better.
 
I truly wish there was a world with no money.

It does. Give up your money and rely solely on the barter system. Basically, all money is is compensation for the middle man. Money must exist, however, because this planet is still ******ed and work must be performed by party B so party's A and C can use the barter system.

The problems that have arisen are that the tools being given to party B(the middle man) are not necessarily what he or she wants or needs to simply survive - that is when it becomes mind control and slavery. It get's really disgusting when members of party B(the middle men) intentionally try to exploit and enslave other members of party B. That's where you get ****ing unions and gangs and the mafia.

Should people concede to party's A and C and take the money
as compensation for their enslavement? As long as people want more - money/credit will always exist.

What NEEDS to go away is all these faces on money. Who are these long dead people with their faces on money to impede upon peoples lives decades after their deaths? Pretty damn stupid on mankind's part to pay allegiance to dead men.
 
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a barter system still uses a commodity form of money and everyone's idea of trade is far far too linear.

i'm talking about a further devolution from bartering, a complete deconstruction of where we place our values.
 
a barter system still uses a commodity form of money and everyone's idea of trade is far far too linear.

i'm talking about a further devolution from bartering, a complete deconstruction of where we place our values.

or you and others that share that viewpoint can move out into the middle of Montana or something and start your ideal of society....the rest of us money grubbing ****es will stay here with our running water, flat screen TVs, and such
 
alright consider this...

since the consumer ultimately controls the demand, you don't believe you could actively manipulate everything to be around the same price (as a collective of course).

I mean that would ultimately bring about the same response.
 
a barter system still uses a commodity form of money and everyone's idea of trade is far far too linear.

i'm talking about a further devolution from bartering, a complete deconstruction of where we place our values.

Basically, what you're wanting is everyone to forget about money and just 'keep it rolling.' That's not possible yet. There is not enough to keep someone occupied and keep them from taking someone elses things. That problem may never go away as long as women keep walking arround with their funbags and coochiecoo for men to lust after. We all need things, things that have not been created or built yet and those things require work and for work you get money - unless you want to stand on the side of the road with a 'WILL WORK FOR FOOD' sign. I don't value money but I know I need it.

What you SHOULD want is a way off this ****** of a planet. This planet should set up a worldwide television channel and call it ****** PLANET, kinda like ANIMAL PLANET. The president on that channel could be Jerry Lewis and then we'll all be Jerry's Kid's.
 
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In any group of people, there will always be one who wants more than the others or that believes he is entitled to more than the others....
 
In any group of people, there will always be one who wants more than the others or that believes he is entitled to more than the others....
greed is a sympton of neglect and attempting to overcompensate.

i don't believe it's something that will never go away.

Yes in the transition of anyscheme, it is bound to manifest itself but if done properly it may be managed and dealt with positively.

I think the monetary system creates this neglect which is apparently a correlating factor with work input. Deny somebody something and they'll work forever to attempt to gain it.

I also think a quick fire way of dealing with alot of these things would be to provide people with those things they wanted and highlight it not all it's cracked up to be.
 
greed is a sympton of neglect and attempting to overcompensate.

i don't believe it's something that will never go away.

Yes in the transition of anyscheme, it is bound to manifest itself but if done properly it may be managed and dealt with positively.

I think the monetary system creates this neglect which is apparently a correlating factor with work input. Deny somebody something and they'll work forever to attempt to gain it.

I also think a quick fire way of dealing with alot of these things would be to provide people with those things they wanted and highlight it not all it's cracked up to be.

I don't believe that....at all....greed can be a motivator and some people are mislabeled as greedy when they simply are overacheiving....I grew up in a household where neither parent (mom and stepdad) could handle money responsibly (ducking creditor phone calls and getting 2 cars repod) and living paycheck to paycheck....when I left home I swore to myself that would never ever happen to me and its a goal I work toward everyday
 
I'm not overcompensating though....my parents were below the bar and I don't want to emulate that....how is that a bad thing??
 
I also think a quick fire way of dealing with alot of these things would be to provide people with those things they wanted and highlight it not all it's cracked up to be.

People don't know what they want because we've been forcefed and controlled for so long. You get someone who wants a red pair of shoes and someone who wants a blue pair and someone who wants a yellow pair. Everyone would want something different if that choice existed to it's fullest level. That idea of yours does exist though - everyone getting what they 'need' or at least what they think they need. It exists because we've seen it with all these athletes and music stars and their custom made clothes and homes and cars and such things.

Truthfully, what is needed is a much longer life span. One that allows a person to be free to custom design their own things, gather their own materials, build them theirself, and then use them theirself. But, sadley, we are only alotted 74.5 years. I COULD SPEND 3000 YEARS ON RESEARCH ALONE!!!

Like I said, this planet is ******ed.
 
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I'm not overcompensating though....my parents were below the bar and I don't want to emulate that....how is that a bad thing??
Well if you are describing youself as greedy and you have no sense of complacency, then it's mass overcompensation.

to want to better themselves from their parent's position is not necessarily greed though
 
People don't know what they want because we've been forcefed and controlled for so long. You get someone who wants a red pair of shoes and someone who wants a blue pair and someone who wants a yellow pair. Everyone would want something different if that choice existed to it's fullest level. That idea of yours does exist though - everyone getting what they 'need' or at least what they think they need. It exists because we've seen it with all these athletes and music stars and their custom made clothes and homes and cars and such things.

Truthfully, what is needed is a much longer life span. One that allows a person to be free to custom design their own things, gather their own materials, build them theirself, and then use them theirself. But, sadley, we are only alotted 74.5 years. I COULD SPEND 3000 YEARS ON RESEARCH ALONE!!!

Like I said, this planet is ******ed.
Well yes, the celebrity lifestyle.

Everyone immediately thinks when i mention some sort of social society, i'm always trying to limit people's needs, rather i'm attempting to set them free and share out the prestige that the rich and famous have isolated to their small numbers. The life of working in your dream field and having the freedom to work and be respected for work.

I suppose you would have to tone it down slightly and also encorpate a optical illusion stairway where everyone was everyone else's master and everyone else servant all in one fair swoop. No bale tantrums.

I don't necessarily think a longer lifespan would do it, we seem to waste so much of this one.

I do also understand that are needs and wants have been convoluted over time in order to allow certain commodities to thrive because all of a sudden we don't believe we can live without them. I think the drive for money and market share has led to this drive of advertising which has infiltrated us. Without money or the persuit of it, the advertising industry would receed and allow for us to clarify our own (and our societies) needs in a much clearer manner.
 
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I don't necessarily think a longer lifespan would do it, we seem to waste so much of this one
It seems wasted because someone else is living it for us. The lifespan is so short that we aren't doing what we want and need because, quite frankly, there's not enough time to do what we want and need. A longer life span WOULD do it because that would eliminate A LOT of pointless endeavors and allow more helping hands for more useful endeavors. If we had a 3000 year life span there would be no hurry to reproduce and maybe ONE new child could be brought in every month or even every year.

I know it sounds a little CrAzY and a little bit out there but yes - all it takes is a longer life span. The problem is, the majority is so dejected and depressed at life so far that no one wants 50 more years, let alone 1000.

I do also understand that are needs and wants have been convoluted over time in order to allow certain commodities to thrive because all of a sudden we don't believe we can live without them. I think the drive for money and market share has led to this drive of advertising which has infiltrated us. Without money or the persuit of it, the advertising industry would receed and allow for us to clarify our own (and our societies) needs in a much clearer manner.

Wow - a world with no advertising. There's a start to a better world. Do you have an idea how many good shows and movies have been ruined by that crap!?! I mean - WTF!?! They show a movie and there are 5 minutes of commercials every 10 minutes. I don't give a **** about what the Jones' are doing or have or keeping up with them - GET THIS **** OFF MY TV!!!
 
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Well yes, the celebrity lifestyle.

Everyone immediately thinks when i mention some sort of social society, i'm always trying to limit people's needs, rather i'm attempting to set them free and share out the prestige that the rich and famous have isolated to their small numbers. The life of working in your dream field and having the freedom to work and be respected for work.

I suppose you would have to tone it down slightly and also encorpate a optical illusion stairway where everyone was everyone else's master and everyone else servant all in one fair swoop. No bale tantrums.

I don't necessarily think a longer lifespan would do it, we seem to waste so much of this one.

I do also understand that are needs and wants have been convoluted over time in order to allow certain commodities to thrive because all of a sudden we don't believe we can live without them. I think the drive for money and market share has led to this drive of advertising which has infiltrated us. Without money or the persuit of it, the advertising industry would receed and allow for us to clarify our own (and our societies) needs in a much clearer manner.

Not everyone gets to live their dream....the world is a hard place....you are not entitled to do what you love, sometimes you have to do what you HAVE to do to survive....and you are making it sound like that those of us that want more than everyone else are bad, when that's not true...someone who circumvents the rules to get more than others is bad, but those of us who do our jobs, do them well, and in turn do better are not bad people...

I work anywhere from 40-60 hours a week, Im good at my job, and while I might not be the most personable guy at work, people know they can come to me if there is a problem and it will be taken care off....I earn my salary, I earn my bonus....and if I am willing to sacrifice a bit of my personal life now to ensure that I have a better future, I dont see anything wrong with that...
 
It seems wasted because someone else is living it for us. The lifespan is so short that we aren't doing what we want and need because, quite frankly, there's not enough time to do what we want and need. A longer life span WOULD do it because that would eliminate A LOT of pointless endeavors and allow more helping hands for more useful endeavors. If we had a 3000 year life span there would be no hurry to reproduce and maybe ONE new child could be brought in every month or even every year.

I know it sounds a little CrAzY and a little bit out there but yes - all it takes is a longer life span. The problem is, the majority is so dejected and depressed at life so far that no one wants 50 more years, let alone 1000.
instead of diluting the pointless endeavours by increasing our timespan, why not simply reduce the amount of pointless endeavours we put ourselves through
 
Wow - a world with no advertising. There's a start to a better world. Do you have an idea how many good shows and movies have been ruined by that crap!?! I mean - WTF!?! They show a movie and there are 5 minutes of commercials every 10 minutes. I don't give a **** about what the Jones' are doing or have or keeping up with them - GET THIS **** OFF MY TV!!!
Not necessarily without advertising but competitive 'mental advertising' that isn't factual and sells ideals and prestige rather than a product and also force brand recognition down your pants for some form of status.

I've been reading about advertising recently, it's....all really tied up with the capitalist dream and can be attributed to manythings that would crumble a system where money didn't exist
 
It's not a contest - maybe they just don't care about finances.

It's one thing to not care and another to knowingly try and not fulfill your obligations.....from the ages of 8 to 17 I answered the phone almost all the time and lied to creditor after creditor and landlords that my parents weren't home and they were sitting right there....they didn't talk on the phone unless it was a family member....
 
instead of diluting the pointless endeavours by increasing our timespan, why not simply reduce the amount of pointless endeavours we put ourselves through
That's basically what i was trying to say. A longer lifespan DOES reduce the amount of pointless endeavours we put ourselves through. Life as it is
is about survival - if mankind didn't have to worry about surviving only 75 years and knew they could live 200 or 300 or 500 or 1000 they wouldn't have done HALF the stupid endeavors they did. We had to worry though. We had to worry because...

the animals attacked us!
the plants poisoned us!
the planet killed us!

**** THIS ****** PLANET!! LET'S BURN THIS MOTHER ****ER DOWN POOKIE!!!!
 

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