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Comedy in black panther

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I know we've talked about this in the past but we got held up because we only had one thread and we had to keep moving the conversation onto other areas but how would you handle comedy in black panther?

Marvel loves comedy so would you have a Thor level zaniness to things? Or perhaps a comedic sidekick like Ross? If so who would you cast?

Or perhaps you wouldn't use comedy at all?
 
while normally i dont dig alot of comedy in Superhero flicks, Guardians really was the only one to do it quite well. i would perfer they keep down like in Captain America the 1st avenger and if you are going to have it maybe introduced Ross from the book
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he was good for a laugh or two, as the US emissary to wakanda!
 
I think it'd be a delightful bit of subversion hiring a white comedian to play Everett Ross. Like, straight up Jonah Hill. That'd be great.

Beyond that I think having Hawkeye or a character like that have some buddy-banter with T'Challa would be totally awesome. Earth's Mightiest Heroes did this very well with their friendship, I'd love to see more.
 
I think the tone should be the level of Cap TWS. Sure their were some comedic moments but i don't think it fits well with BP. I certainly don't want any comedians in the film like Mike Epps or Kevin Heart. That is the wrong direction to go. If I wanna see comedy about an African Prince/King from a fictional country thats rich and powerful I'd rewatch Coming To America.
 
Son... There is a fine line between love and nausea.
 
I think it'd be a delightful bit of subversion hiring a white comedian to play Everett Ross. Like, straight up Jonah Hill. That'd be great.

Beyond that I think having Hawkeye or a character like that have some buddy-banter with T'Challa would be totally awesome. Earth's Mightiest Heroes did this very well with their friendship, I'd love to see more.

Ha, Jonah hill as Ross would be fasinating to watch
 
There needs to be a funny side character like Ross.
 
Yeah and besides there were tons of funny moments in Django unchained and that still dealt with series issues
 
I basically posted all of this before back when there was just one general Black Panther thread, but damnit I will post it again because I believe in it!

It's a MCU movie so there will be an element of comedy. Otherwise not only do you risk going from "drama" to "melodrama" but comedy helps ease audiences into the outlandish. The more "serious" you position yourself, the more realism the audience will hold you to. Which is part of why the MCU's most fantastical film has also been a straight up comedy (GotG) while C:TWS with it's modern-setting, real-world inspired plot/themes, and more grounded hero could fall on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Other than genre-tone the most important aspect is character voice. IM films, for the most part, are actually pretty straight but Tony balances that out with his snark. One of the weakness of T:TDW is how the humor doesn't always flow naturally from your story. In Thor the audience in general enjoyed Darcy; Since Thor is on Earth for a large part of the film you need more humans than just Jane, and her character's humor is based in recognizing the inherent ridiculousness of the premise which makes her a good audience stand. Contrast TDW where the Asgard plot felt rushed/underdeveloped thus drawing attention to how irrelevant her screen time is beyond serving as comic relief to balance the Thor/Jane melodrama.

To bring it back to Panther, we know there will be humor. The question is how much is needed and it's source.

T'Challa's origin/introduction shouldn't be an overly light-hearted affair, and I think he's a grounded enough hero that he doesn't need to rely too heavily on it for audiences to accept him. However, there is still a few story elements that might need approachability-by-humor:

Wakanda: So far have seen no indication the world is any different, geographically speaking, than our own planet and yet here is this hugely advanced civilization that clearly stands out as being not only a fictional locale but one that no one inside the MCU seems to have heard of despite the fact that it should stick out as least as much as Iron Man. I think you you may have audiences question why we've never heard of this Very Important Country prior to now.

Vibranium: We've been introduced via Cap's shield but not in the quantities or put to the same diverse uses as should be present in BP. The writers of TWS admitted that Cap's shield is basically made of PlotDeviseanium so showing large amounts after this point run the risk of either it de-powering it compared to the shield or coming across as a magical metal

Non-Western Culture: Apparently some people are just totally shocked by spiritual and social norms outside the West and as a result some worry that audiences might not find T'Challa's story as related.

I guess in theory there is also the matter of the heart-shape herb but I can actually see audience easily accepting that as simply part of a super-heroes origin, and in BP's case it isn't what gives him his powers but simply an enhancer. Basically it's nature's steroids.

T'Challa himself should not be the source of the majority of the humor, especially if they're going with the whole "recent death of his father" plot. He's not Tony Stark, he doesn't deal with tragedy with levity. Since he's intelligent he should have a dry wit, but that shouldn't provide the majority of the comedy.

Another option is Ross, but in my opinion the only difference between Ross and Darcy is CB canon status which might spare Ross the wrath of the fanboys but means you risk the same problems with him than you do with Darcy. He would definitely come off an an audience surrogate, but with Thor he needed an Earth cast. BP doesn't need a white cast (we will definitely get a major white character, no doubt, but they need a better excuse than "because white people!) and I suspect that while Thor's Earth scenes mostly lacked action scenes, BP will have it more evenly spread through the movie forcing Ross to be put in situations he shouldn't be as a obvious comedic sidekick.

So that's basically why I think the movie will be using humor and that it needs to be character based, but not come from T'Challa himself. And also why a character like Ross would just be out of place even though he offers that much needed element.
 
While it was missing in A1, I think in A2 we will see that Hawkeye can do sassy as well as the kind of "My Life Is A Weapon" humor that simply comes from him getting in certain situations, and I think these styles of humor could act as a really good match with T'Challa. If you put anyone to slapstick next to T'Challa I think the effect would be too cartoonish despite it working in GotG. I think the aim should be closer to C:TWA which features a more serious leader type with the weight of the world on his shoulders balanced out by a deadpan snaker in Black Widow.

I like a Clint who can deadpan a line but then gets this smug smile on his face and looks back to his partner to make sure someone's appreciated the joke. So someone between Tony's humor as a crutch and cry for attention and Natasha's poker-faced one liners. Clint can play the cool, well trained agent with the SHIELD issued snark while also being a bit of a show off; he doesn't quip because it's his natural response to high stress situations or even because he's just a born deadpan snarker. He does it because on some level he wants people to hear him being witty. That's a show off style attribute that could work for the character.

On the other hand, T'Challa's humor should come from his natural fast wit and powers of observation. If you know anyone who is freakishly smart and incredible perspective you know they can be wickedly funny, and it all comes from being able to quickly recognize the inherent humor in a situation and bringing attention to it with a natural ease.

The biggest problem is I think this humor tends to work better once T'Challa is outside Wakanda or a least interacting with non-Wakandians. It's kind of a Fish-Out-Of-Water scenario, only in this case the fish is pointing out how strange it is that both our species require water and air to survive but while he simply lives in oxidized water, we've put hundred of miles between us and the cost line and simply hope it fall from the sky and build all sorts of pipes to bring it to us. A lot can come from an outsider recognizing the oddness and deconstructing our customs and culture. These observations highlight a character's intelligence while also being funny, so it's a good match for T'Challa.

I think adding Hawkeye does more than just gives you a funnyman, though, with his position being a more typically fish out of water tale. I think it connects Black Panther very immediately back to the Avengers in a way that, written properly, wouldn't feel forced or overshadow Black Panther. I do wonder if, since he is a lesser well known property in the GA eyes and because he is he first true global Avenger that some people might not feel as immediately drawn in the way the were for others. Let's face it even in the comics Black Panther holds a rather unique position since, a the ruller of an African Nation and a member of a team sworn to protect the world. Adding in Hawkeye shows that, yes, this character is an Avenger even if he's not in America. Which may be stupid obvious to all of us, but isn't this the sort of things studios worry about?

Plus, Hawkeye (while awesome) isn't going to outshine Black Panther. He'll not only have his suit and herbs, but also a home feild and scientific knowledge advantage. He's definitely set to be the leader in this mission. At the same time, Hawkeye offers some tonally appropriate humor, his even being there creates conflict, and on a shallow note he makes for an American surrogate, which I think the studios will want to see. It has potential.
 
In general i think the MCU needs to tone back the humor. It has worked for them, so they won't change, but my personal preference would be for far less comedy.

BP should have the same amount of humor as TWS
 
In general i think the MCU needs to tone back the humor. It has worked for them, so they won't change, but my personal preference would be for far less comedy.

BP should have the same amount of humor as TWS
I assume it will. I think humor fits the characters of Thor, Iron man, and guardians, but not so much characters like Cap or the Hulk and their movies reflect that. Black Panther is a regal, strong-willed king, so he won't be cutting up and making jokes like Tony Stark. Him having a companion that cracks jokes is appropriate however, and I assume they will have one.
 
In general i think the MCU needs to tone back the humor. It has worked for them, so they won't change, but my personal preference would be for far less comedy.

BP should have the same amount of humor as TWS

This part I definitely agree with. There were some great character based moments of humor that never felt out of place in TWS. That should be the model for Black Panther.

If casting the support staff right, they can bring a nice amount of wit. And I'd love to see a sort of dry wit (not constantly, but touches here and there) from T'Challa himself. Give him some charm and charisma, I mean… why else hire someone like Chadwick Boseman.

By the way, he has a smile that can light up a room.
 
Never seen Chadwick in anything, but I've only heard people say good things about him so I'm looking forward to see how he portrays T'Challa.
 
As others have said I want to film to have a similar tone to CA:TWS. T'Challa isn't the type of character to joke around, in fact his sense of humor is more dry than Caps.

I'm a bit wary of Ross being a part of the film. Priest used Ross as the POV character to great effect to educated fans as to how awesome T'challa actually was. A side effect of that was at times it felt more like Ross' story than T'Challa. Too many films set in Africa already center white characters in the narrative and use them as the audiences POV.

T'Challa will be introduced in Civil War, so there shouldn't be as much of a need for a POV character. If Ross is included I hope it's a minor role and not that of narrator.
 

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