Conservatives are Happier than Liberals

You used the "dollar vote" principle to draw an analogy between capitalism and democracy. I have already explained why that doesn't hold up.
You didn't explain anything other then your opinion. I was stating that if those "evil rich" people are rich it is because they have a marketable trait, whether be it labor, or ideas, they earned their money, it wasn't given to them. Capitalism works. Free Market Works.
 
You didn't explain anything other then your opinion. I was stating that if those "evil rich" people are rich it is because they have a marketable trait, whether be it labor, or ideas, they earned their money, it wasn't given to them. Capitalism works. Free Market Works.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never called anyone "evil." None of this contradicts the fact that the market system is an oligarchy. Sure, the market works, but for whom?
 
Don't put words in my mouth. I never called anyone "evil." None of this contradicts the fact that the market system is an oligarchy. Sure, the market works, but for whom?
And to whom would the opposite work for? Where I can't earn based on my skills?
 
And to whom would the opposite work for? Where I can't earn based on my skills?
I don't exactly know the specific opposite to which you refer as there have been a number of alternatives to capitalism proposed, but an economy will only work for the people if everyone gets to decide democratically how the economy works. If a small group of people gets a disproportionate say in what the "demand" is and how it is to be "supplied," then the economy is compelling everyone else to defer to those people's judgments and serve their needs and wants.
 
I don't exactly know the specific opposite to which you refer as there have been a number of alternatives to capitalism proposed, but an economy will only work for the people if everyone gets to decide democratically how the economy works. If a small group of people gets a disproportionate say in what the "demand" is and how it is to be "supplied," then the economy is compelling everyone else to defer to those people's judgments.
Please go onto further detail. How can an economy be "democratic"? I don't think you understand how a Capitalistic Economy works. "Few" don't decide the "demand". Everyone decides the demand based on how they spend their money.
 
Please go onto further detail. How can an economy be "democratic"? I don't think you understand how a Capitalistic Economy works. "Few" don't decide the "demand". Everyone decides the demand based on how they spend their money.
Research the Spanish anarchist movement. Another good place to start would be a system developed by radical economist Michael Albert called Participatory Economics.

When 1% of the population possesses 40% of the wealth, they are going to have a disproportionate effect on what the economy determines to be important.
 
Did you just call Conservatives a bunch of Drunk men and Dogs? Not Nice.

The line about drunk men comes from Nietzche, responding to the argument that people with religion are happier than people without it. The line about dogs is an adaptation of John Stuart Mill's maxim "better Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied".

I'm simply saying that "happiness" is not a way to assert the superiority of your argument. Simply because group one is "happier" than group two does not make them superior.
 
And you certainly have a link to back up this claim? Or is just the way you hope things are?

Well, the two largest acts of charity in American history, $30 billion and $11 billion respectively, were made by Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, who're both atheists - that's gotta count for something.

Robert W. Wilson, another wealthy nonreligious philanthropist ("We shoulda' nevah' gave you n***az money!'), just gave $22 million away - to a Catholic School!

Here's
an interesting link you might like as well.


Ho hum.
 
In a similar study for this, that has the same results, they also concluded that:

So much for right versus left. Mr Brooks also finds that extremists of both sides are happier than moderates. Some 35% of those who call themselves “extremely liberal” say they are very happy, against only 22% of ordinary liberals. For conservatives, the gap is smaller: 48% to 43%. Extremists are happy, Mr Brooks reckons, because they are certain they are right. Alas, this often leads them to conclude that the other side is not merely wrong, but evil. Some two-thirds of America's far left and half of the far right say they dislike not only the other side's ideas, but also the people who hold them.

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10924082

Just throwing it out there. :o
 
:whatever:

This seems like a dubious "study."

With that said being blissful in your ignorance does not mean you are happier, it means you revel in closing your eyes. I find it is very easy to enjoy life, but stil lwant to better it for everyone. But when you just htink of your own wallet, that's fine.

I mean Scrooge had accepted the world at the beginning of "A Christmas Carol" and was fine with just paying his taxes for the prisons and workhouses, therefore he is happier than those darn progressives trying to help the poor and at the end his bleeding heart will only hurt him. Mr. Potter in "It's A Wonderful Life" was much happier with accepting the world as is and using it to his advantage than George Bailey who tried to save everyone and almost killed himself. I suppose we should model ourselves after Potter who had the wonderful life, then.

:rolleyes:
 
For the record..I hate "It's a Wonderful Life" I think a good chunk of life is what you make of it and learning to live within your means. You don't "need" that new SUV...you don't "need" to buy new clothes every month...I think as a society we have gotten soft...we think we are entitled to so much without having to do anything whatsoever....We had an all employee meeting at my job today and we had this one obnoxious woman who thinks she knows it all...while she was going on about stress, vacation time, and all that...I looked at her and thought "People like you are part of the reason American companies are outsourcing"....Management is getting tired of people who aren't happy with what they have and think they are entitled to more for no good reason and are going to places where people are grateful to have a paying job.
 
Hey I was just saying, baby. ;)

The only point of contention I had btw with your post was that It's A Wonderful Life is great. To each their own. :p
 
One of the concepts we seem to be misunderstanding in this country is that an economy, a market, exists to serve us. Not we it.

Thom Hartmann is so much smarter than me.

Another major problem in this country is the fact that the politicians (OF ALL PARTIES) seem to forget who they work for. They work for the us, not the special interests and lobbyists.
 
I'd be happy too if I didn't have **** to worry about.
 
Another major problem in this country is the fact that the politicians (OF ALL PARTIES) seem to forget who they work for. They work for the us, not the special interests and lobbyists.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a system in place that would get rid of the Special Interests and Lobbyists? Man, I wish I knew of a way...


FAIRTAX!!!
 
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a system in place that would get rid of the Special Interests and Lobbyists? Man, I wish I knew of a way...


FAIRTAX!!!

Plug that thread! :funny::cwink:
 
lobbyists will always exist because companies and industry will always want special treatment and favorable legislation....so no the Fairtax doesn't fix greed and favoritism
 
lobbyists will always exist because companies and industry will always want special treatment and favorable legislation....so no the Fairtax doesn't fix greed and favoritism
But, the only power a politician has at his disposile that Corporations want is Favortism with the Tax Code, if you REMOVE that weapon from their arsenal, then they don't have a reason to want that favortism. Make Sense? Remove the Corporate Taxes, relieve yourself of Lobbyists FOR the Corporations.
 
But, the only power a politician has at his disposile that Corporations want is Favortism with the Tax Code, if you REMOVE that weapon from their arsenal, then they don't have a reason to want that favortism. Make Sense? Remove the Corporate Taxes, relieve yourself of Lobbyists FOR the Corporations.

I was also referring to things like guidelines regarding waste disposal, eminent domain, and employment regulations....none of which have anything to do with taxes.
 
I was also referring to things like guidelines regarding waste disposal, eminent domain, and employment regulations....none of which have anything to do with taxes.
Yes, that is true, but, under the FairTax, the only way they can get re-elected is if they do the job that the People want, not pander with the Tax Code. No more "I'll Tax these people more, so you don't get taxed more", or "Read my Lips, No new Taxes" crap. That's all pandering, so if a politician wants to keep their job, they have to make corporations keep clean and all that, or they CAN get fined. Eminent Domain, again, would be good reason to get rid of the Tax Code Pandering that Politicians do, it'll open more eyes of the Voting Public if that was in the News instead of "Politicians Promise to Lower Taxes on [Insert Group Here]" that we see every week.
 
I bet Jesus wasn't very happy.


:doom: :doom: :doom:


Oh, pish. Sure he was.

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