Creationism FTW

[Fried Gold]

Today is the opening of the Creation Museum in Cincinnati, in a mere six hours.

From their website:

The Creation Museum will be upfront that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice, and in every area it touches upon.

We’ll begin the Museum experience by showing that “facts” don’t speak for themselves (click here for a proposed drawing of this exhibit). There aren’t separate sets of “evidences” for evolution and creation—we all deal with the same evidence (we all live on the same earth, have the same fossils, observe the same animals, etc.). The difference lies in how we interpret what we study. We’ll then explore why the Bible—the “history book of the universe”—provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things.

After that, we'll take guests on a journey through a visual presentation of the history of the world, based on the “7 C’s of History”: Creation, Corruption, Catastrophe, Confusion, Christ, Cross, Consummation. Throughout this family-friendly experience, guests will learn how to answer the attacks on the Bible’s authority in geology, biology, anthropology, cosmology, etc., and they will discover how science actually confirms biblical history.

I have it on good authority that the museum will feature a display detailing how they managed to fit dinosaurs on the Ark, and also one that explains the mind-boggling reproductive mathematics involved in going from a human population of two to roughly six billion in just over 6,000 years.

They also have a gift shop, where you can buy books and DVDs that viciously condemn the evil evolutionary and humanistic science that is being taught to kids is schools, as well as a whole host of publications that teach you how to neatly dodge those simple questions about basic logic that your faith has rendered you incapable of answering without sounding paranoid and delusional.

I'm there.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Oh lawd.

 

[The Amazing Lee]

I think that this museum evolved over time.

 

[primemover]

Well, we already have museums for things like vacuum cleaners, bananas, mustard and SPAM, might as well have a museum about Creation.

 

[Mr. Credible]

i read in our local paper a few weeks or so ago that they had a display of a boy and a girl skipping church, then the boy goes on to do drugs or something, and the girl goes to get an abortion.

i'd pay just to see that.

 

[Calvin]

"The Creation Museum will be upfront that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of faith and practice, and in every area it touches upon."

I like that this implies that christians have a problem being upfront about that.

Well, we already have museums for things like vacuum cleaners, bananas, mustard and SPAM, might as well have a museum about Creation.

But, as much as people hate to admit it, we can't deny that Spam really happened.

 

[jaguarr]

It's science! LOL!

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, we already have museums for things like vacuum cleaners, bananas, mustard and SPAM, might as well have a museum about Creation.

Dude, I went to the freaking Jell-O museum.

 

[Super Kal]

okay, I'm a born again Christian, but I find this absolutely hilarious and ridiculous.

 

[The Chairman]

okay, I'm a born again Christian, but I find this absolutely hilarious and ridiculous.

I'm a Christian (I was raised Catholic, but I really don't practice all that much), and I do think that it is a good idea to show there is scientific and historical evidence to support various Biblical occurences. What they're doing is a bit odd, but it's not like Falwell or Robertson or those freaks from Jesus Camp are behind it all.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I'm a Christian (I was raised Catholic, but I really don't practice all that much), and I do think that it is a good idea to show there is scientific and historical evidence to support various Biblical occurences. What they're doing is a bit odd, but it's not like Falwell or Robertson or those freaks from Jesus Camp are behind it all.

I'd like to see the scientific/historical evidence for t-rex kicking it with Noah on ark. I've heard it for the flood occuring, etc, but you'll have a hard sell to get me to even give you an 'alright it's a possibility' on the dino-boat.

 

[The Chairman]

I'd like to see the scientific/historical evidence for t-rex kicking it with Noah on ark. I've heard it for the flood occuring, etc, but you'll have a hard sell to get me to even give you an 'alright it's a possibility' on the dino-boat.

I have some evidence from a website that talks about all that and how dinosaurs lived during th time of The Flood. I'd post it, but whenever I or someone here who's Christian posts evidence to back their beliefs rather than blindly spouting off, "You just have to believe", all the atheists jump on you with their whole "OMG, YOU ARE TEH ILLOGICAL" rhetoric.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I have some evidence from a website that talks about all that and how dinosaurs lived during th time of The Flood. I'd post it, but whenever I or someone here who's Christian posts evidence to back their beliefs rather than blindly spouting off, "You just have to believe", all the atheists jump on you with their whole "OMG, YOU ARE TEH ILLOGICAL" rhetoric.

Aye. There's a good amount of closed-mindedness on both sides. Each side claims 'but we have the Truth!'

 

[The Chairman]

Aye. There's a good amount of closed-mindedness on both sides. Each side claims 'but we have the Truth!'

I completely agree. Both creationism and evolution have too many unanswered questions for each side to claim either one as the truth. I just believe that God was behind our existence, whether it was through creationism or through evolution. I don't think we'll ever know the real truth until we are dead.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I completely agree. Both creationism and evolution have too many unanswered questions for each side to claim either one as the truth. I just believe that God was behind our existence, whether it was through creationism or through evolution. I don't think we'll ever know the real truth until we are dead.

That's about where I'm at as an Agnostic. I don't understand quite why the category 'creationism' can't include evolution, as a creator's spark could set in motion evolution... something came from nothing. I have trouble when it comes to such an oversimplified view as Creationism we're talking about in the museum-- its like explaining quantum physics with sock puppets. The one firm belief I have is that the reality of the situation is beyond our understanding, thus saying we have it all down is disrespectful. Disrespectful to who or what I haven't worked out.

 

[The Chairman]

That's about where I'm at as an Agnostic. I don't understand quite why the category 'creationism' can't include evolution, as a creator's spark could set in motion evolution... something came from nothing. I have trouble when it comes to such an oversimplified view as Creationism we're talking about in the museum-- its like explaining quantum physics with sock puppets. The one firm belief I have is that the reality of the situation is beyond our understanding, thus saying we have it all down is disrespectful. Disrespectful to who or what I haven't worked out.

Well, I'm very far from an agnostic. I definitely believe in the Judeo-Christian God, though I'm subjective when it comes to The Bible (I don't believe that being gay is an outright sin, nor do I believe that you have to be a Christian or a Jew to enter Heaven), and I'm overall a very spiritual person. I lean towards theistic evolution myself.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I grew up Catholic, but now I tend to lean toward pantheism, sort of (the idea that the divine is essentially nature rather than an 'other' being). One theologian I read deemed it 'pan-en-theism,' whereas nature and all of existence are essentially permeated/part of one entity but the entity extends beyond the here and now as well (think multi-dimensional beyond the third dimension).

I have a troubled relationship with the bible.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

We’ll then explore why the Bible—the “history book of the universe”—provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things.

Funny story. The Bible never actually claims to be this type of book.

 

[Movies205]

I feel I'm 10 years too late

 

[Logan's Runt]

Funny story. The Bible never actually claims to be this type of book.

I like to imagine what the people who wrote the bible would say to some of our more literalist/extremist friends. I also like to imagine what Jesus (under the assumption he existed and was somewhat similar to the bible's depiction) would say to people that do things in his name.

 

[The Chairman]

I grew up Catholic, but now I tend to lean toward pantheism, sort of (the idea that the divine is essentially nature rather than an 'other' being). One theologian I read deemed it 'pan-en-theism,' whereas nature and all of existence are essentially permeated/part of one entity but the entity extends beyond the here and now as well (think multi-dimensional beyond the third dimension).

I have a troubled relationship with the bible.

I get what you believe. Don't many American Indians believe nature to be a devine entity?

 

[Kent]

I completely agree. Both creationism and evolution have too many unanswered questions for each side to claim either one as the truth. I just believe that God was behind our existence, whether it was through creationism or through evolution. I don't think we'll ever know the real truth until we are dead.

Evolution cannot (nor can any other scientific theory), ever, be proposed as Truth (upper case T), but as truth (lower case T) I really don't see the problem.

The current status of the idea that the diversity of species is best explained by descent with modification from one or few common ancestors is that it is extremely well supported by mounds of evidence from several scientific disciplines.
This is what is commonly treated as "truth"... something that could turn out to be false, but is extremely unlikely to be so.

This, of course, doesn't say anything about whether or not a deity or, aliens, or pixies breathed life into that/those first common ancestors, or if it was created through natural chemical processes... that line of research is called abiogenesis, and is no more connected to the theory of evolution than the chemical origins of gun powder is connected to the calculated trajectory of a bullet.

 

[Logan's Runt]

I get what you believe. Don't many American Indians believe nature to be a devine entity?

Aye, its similar to that. I'm not entirely clear on Native Americans' perception of the universe, so I can't compare too much. I'm not sure if they believed the divine was limited to nature, or infinitely incorporated into it. I know they believed in afterlife, but I'm not sure on their ideas about the breadth of the divine. I just feel that nature's part in 'Gods' plan/creation/etc is overlooked too much in modern religion and probably has a good bit of influence on the state of the earth today. Its more like a StarWars 'the force' kind of idea.

Damn, I went and made myself look like a hippie.

Ima go eat a steak.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I hope they have a display on how rabbits do indeed chew cud and what may have happened to all the unicorn and satyr bones.

Some theories on how they got every carnivore on Earth to chill with a bunch of deer and gazelles and zebras for over a month without eating them, and.....what in fact they DID eat, would be awesome.

Also, the scientific facts on how the platypus got from Mount Ararat to Australia, and how the Panda Bear got from Mount Ararat to China, would be enlightening!

 

[Logan's Runt]

Evolution cannot (nor can any other scientific theory), ever, be proposed as Truth (upper case T), but as truth (lower case T) I really don't see the problem.

The current status of the idea that the diversity of species is best explained by descent with modification from one or few common ancestors is that it is extremely well supported by mounds of evidence from several scientific disciplines.
This is what is commonly treated as "truth"... something that could turn out to be false, but is extremely unlikely to be so.

This, of course, doesn't say anything about whether or not a deity or, aliens, or pixies breathed life into that/those first common ancestors, or if it was created through natural chemical processes... that line of research is called abiogenesis, and is no more connected to the theory of evolution than the chemical origins of gun powder is connected to the calculated trajectory of a bullet.

Yeah, that. t: