Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin dead

[Mr Sparkle]

Yeah when I heard "freak accident" I kinda thought like a car ran him over or he died in his sleep. Then I read he was killed by wild animals and it was like "is that really surprising". Hardly constitutes freak.

it is surprising when an animal that RARELY KILLS, not only does this but kills an animal expert.

whatever, you really are POLI-SCI dude, and that's not a compliment

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I can agree with that much. I just find that, like Darthphere, I'm irked by many people who say he completely put himself in danger for no reason. There were a few times where I saw Irwin put himself in a rather precarious knot; the irritant stems from people saying he did so constantly and for no purpose.

There wasn't no purpose. He was providing entertainment. That is a reason to put yourself at risk. And he was getting paid for it, that's a reason too. And there was some educational value, but it was not something as informative as say a book or a research diary.

But I would not go around comparing him to a firefighter or a police officer.

 

[Spade]

it is surprising when an animal that RARELY KILLS, not only does this but kills an animal expert.

whatever, you really are POLI-SCI dude, and that's not a compliment

Now, now...let's not be too hasty for conflict. The greater message should be of his life's accomplishments, not over how he died, anyway.

There wasn't no purpose. He was providing entertainment. That is a reason to put yourself at risk. And he was getting paid for it, that's a reason too. And there was some educational value, but it was not something as informative as say a book or a research diary.

But I would not go around comparing him to a firefighter or a police officer.

I wasn't comparing him to the aforementioned fields, just stating that I feel there is a bit of unnecessary heartlessness added to this. I can see the irony as clearly as anyone else. It's when people start taking that and having a hearty laugh over it where I draw the line (not to say at all that that's what you're doing, you have valid points). I also find that I learn more from the hands-on approach. I can watch a bird or Komodo from a distance and find I'm not as interested to expand upon it until I see what makes the animal unique through some tips and point-outs. I don't feel 100% of it was done solely for entertainment; otherwise I would imagine he would have come to hate the job. On the contrary- he loved it. Perhaps he was zealous, but not so zealous that he was deserving of such a mediocre freak accident.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Now, now...let's not be too hasty for conflict. The greater message should be of his life's accomplishments, not over how he died, anyway.

oh,no conflict at all (hence the whatever) just making a quick point, I'm not going to discuss the matter at all anymore

 

[ShadowBoxing]

it is surprising when an animal that RARELY KILLS, not only does this but kills an animal expert.

But aren't you going into semantics now, saying because the animal rarely kills. He swam into a school of POSIONOUS STINGRAYS and got killed. The only reason the animals "rarely kill" is because people "rarely" find themselves within a school of them.

I'm pretty sure if I willingly swam into a school of posionous animals I'd get killed at some point.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, from what I've heard, the stingray attacked him because he tried to handle it and it panicked.

And you know, he put himself in the line of fire. That's what he did, that's what he loved doing, and that's what made him unique. I'm one hundred percent certain that every time he did these things, he was fully prepared to be injured or even die. It happens.

Saying he brought it upon himself is no insult to the man. Because putting himself in life-threatening situations was his passion. Remember his Fed-Ex commercial from a few years back where he was bit by an incredibly deadly snake, but because the anti-venom wasn't shipped via Fed-Ex, it didn't get there in time and he died?

He was fully aware of the risk he took every time he stepped out there, and dare I say he relished in it. It wasn't a freak accident because he knew what he was doing was dangerous. It would have been a freak accident if he was eating a sandwich in his tent when a buffalo stampede came by and trampled him to death.

 

[Flexo]

But aren't you going into semantics now, saying because the animal rarely kills. He swam into a school of POSIONOUS STINGRAYS and got killed. The only reason the animals "rarely kill" is because people "rarely" find themselves within a school of them.

Dude, people swim with sting rays all the time. If you ever go on a Caribbean trip you would know that a large tourist attraction is to swim with the stingrays.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, from what I've heard, the stingray attacked him because he tried to handle it and it panicked.

And you know, he put himself in the line of fire. That's what he did, that's what he loved doing, and that's what made him unique. I'm one hundred percent certain that every time he did these things, he was fully prepared to be injured or even die. It happens.

Saying he brought it upon himself is no insult to the man. Because putting himself in life-threatening situations was his passion. Remember his Fed-Ex commercial from a few years back where he was bit by an incredibly deadly snake, but because the anti-venom wasn't shipped via Fed-Ex, it didn't get there in time and he died?

He was fully aware of the risk he took every time he stepped out there, and dare I say he relished in it. It wasn't a freak accident because he knew what he was doing was dangerous. It would have been a freak accident if he was eating a sandwich in his tent when a buffalo stampede came by and trampled him to death.

Yeah exactly. He was a daredevil plain and simple. He wasn't trying to be like a police officer or a firefighter, just wanted to be a risk taker to entertain others.

 

[Spade]

But aren't you going into semantics now, saying because the animal rarely kills. He swam into a school of POSIONOUS STINGRAYS and got killed. The only reason the animals "rarely kill" is because people "rarely" find themselves within a school of them.

It also has to do with where they're stung. The stingray made an upward jab into his chest cavity, which embedded the barb there to begin with. The chances of the poison killing you from a sting to the foot or appendage is minute; minor bacterial infection afterwards at best. The chance you get stung at that position or that it hits so deep the heart is immeadiately affected is even moreso.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude, people swim with sting rays all the time. If you ever go on a Caribbean trip you would know that a large tourist attraction is to swim with the stingrays.

Yeah, but these were Australian Stingrays who are quote "[Dasyatis sephen] Stingrays usually are bottom feeders and prefer to lay on the sand in wait or feed on molluscs. They will usually try to avoid humans and only defend themselves if trodden on or handled."

 

[ShadowBoxing]

It also has to do with where they're stung. The stingray made an upward jab into his chest cavity, which embedded the barb there to begin with. The chances of the poison killing you from a sting to the foot or appendage is minute; minor bacterial infection afterwards at best. The chance you get stung at that position or that it hits so deep the heart is immeadiately affected is even moreso.

Hmmm not according to this site. It does say that the "Penetration can be more dangerous" but it also says "[the sting]can cause excruciating pain and is sometimes lethal."

 

[Spade]

Well, from what I've heard, the stingray attacked him because he tried to handle it and it panicked.

And you know, he put himself in the line of fire. That's what he did, that's what he loved doing, and that's what made him unique. I'm one hundred percent certain that every time he did these things, he was fully prepared to be injured or even die. It happens.

Saying he brought it upon himself is no insult to the man. Because putting himself in life-threatening situations was his passion. Remember his Fed-Ex commercial from a few years back where he was bit by an incredibly deadly snake, but because the anti-venom wasn't shipped via Fed-Ex, it didn't get there in time and he died?

He was fully aware of the risk he took every time he stepped out there, and dare I say he relished in it. It wasn't a freak accident because he knew what he was doing was dangerous. It would have been a freak accident if he was eating a sandwich in his tent when a buffalo stampede came by and trampled him to death.

While I feel it still qualifies since the chances of it happening to any person much less someone trained in the field is small I agree with everything else- this was definitely a man who knew the risks of what he did for a living and loved his profession. I severely doubt such an end was never something he thought of what with all his other close calls.

Hmmm not according to this site. It does say that the "Penetration can be more dangerous" but it also says "[the sting]can cause excruciating pain and is sometimes lethal."

Mind if you provide a URL to said site? Not that I doubt such, just that I'm genuinely intrigued.

 

[vindrow]

Well, from what I've heard, the stingray attacked him because he tried to handle it and it panicked.

Actually, from all the reports he didn't handle the ray he was swimming over the ray and his cameraman was in front, and he(steve) spooked it and feeling trapped it struck out with its stinger in defense and got Steve in the chest.

 

[The Chairman]

http://irwinpwnage.ytmnd.com/

 

[Spade]

http://irwinpwnage.ytmnd.com/

Posted a while back; bit of a ripoff of the Chuck Norris jokes. The Uncyclopedia has a good article on him. The part that deals with his death is called 'The Final Showdown'.

 

[SpiderHulkThing]

I heard about his death this morning on the news. very sad.

 

[The Chairman]

Posted a while back; bit of a ripoff of the Chuck Norris jokes. The Uncyclopedia has a good article on him. The part that deals with his death is called 'The Final Showdown'.

Well, they are still cool and a good way to remember a great man.

R.I.P. Mr. Irwin. We all miss you.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Mind if you provide a URL to said site? Not that I doubt such, just that I'm genuinely intrigued.

Yeah. The obit only gave me "poisonous stingray" and "Australia". So after a little searching I am remotely sure this is our culprit.

The Black stingray (finally found a good one.)

http://www.amonline.net.au/FISHES/fishfacts/fish/dthetidis.htm

Or this guy who I cannot find anywhere else.
http://www.idilium.com/Australian_Wildlife/marine2.html
http://www.idilium.com/Australian_Wildlife/marine2.html

 

[Cyclops]

While I feel it still qualifies since the chances of it happening to any person much less someone trained in the field is small I agree with everything else- this was definitely a man who knew the risks of what he did for a living and loved his profession. I severely doubt such an end was never something he thought of what with all his other close calls.

See, I can't qualify it as a freak accident because it was a dangerous place to be. Why do you think swimming with stingrays is a popular attraction for tourists? It's the thrill of the potential danger. If it was "swimming with skates" would it have nearly the appeal? I don't think so.

So no, he knew what he was doing. He knew that something could have gone wrong the instant he planned the day. He was well aware of the consequences, and whenever anyone gets killed doing something they know could kill them, it is not a freak accident.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

See, I can't qualify it as a freak accident because it was a dangerous place to be. Why do you think swimming with stingrays is a popular attraction for tourists? It's the thrill of the potential danger. If it was "swimming with skates" would it have nearly the appeal? I don't think so.

Right, being a professional doesn't remove the danger. In fact it suggests he is there for that very reason since any professional understands the danger of such a situation. Professionals don't necessarily develop skills to save themselves so much as make themselves more effective at their job.

A stunt man learns to perform a stunt successfully. He is only successful if he survives. However if his desire was to survive rather than be successful he would not be a stunt man in the first place. He would simply remove the danger altogether.

Steve Irwin was the small. He intentionally put himself into dangerous situations knowing he could (and probably at some point would) die. Therefore it's hardly a freak accident.

 

[kane9321]

omg..omg..omg

 

[Fred_Fury]

He died doing what he loved and I'm sure thats the way he wanted to go out - doing what he loved doing. I'd rather die young doing what I love than die an old man rotting away slowly. It was a good death.

 

[Spade]

See, I can't qualify it as a freak accident because it was a dangerous place to be. Why do you think swimming with stingrays is a popular attraction for tourists? It's the thrill of the potential danger. If it was "swimming with skates" would it have nearly the appeal? I don't think so.

So no, he knew what he was doing. He knew that something could have gone wrong the instant he planned the day. He was well aware of the consequences, and whenever anyone gets killed doing something they know could kill them, it is not a freak accident.

That would be more valid if one were speaking of a general method of dying, but even with the knowledge that they may be deadly I don't think he was quite aware one was going to get riled up and specifically hit him directly in the chest with it (a vulnerable area for any venomous animal to strike). He definitely knew of the potential danger, but I don't think he thought it would be what is looking to be a near-instantaneous death. It isn't a general death one suffers; hence the reason why there are only 3 other Australian cases (to the best of my knowledge).

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That would be more valid if one were speaking of a general method of dying, but even with the knowledge that they may be deadly I don't think he was quite aware one was going to get riled up and specifically hit him directly in the chest with it (a vulnerable area for any venomous animal to strike). He definitely knew of the potential danger, but I don't think he thought it would be what is looking to be a near-instantaneous death. It isn't a general death one suffers; hence the reason why there are only 3 other Australian cases (to the best of my knowledge).

Right, but you'd have to ask yourself out of those three cases and however many near misses were people doing Steve Irwin type things.

 

[Speedball]

Note to self: Don't swim in the ocean.
Poor guy.
It was just so random.
And it wasn't even his fault. He wasn't bugging it like he did with a croc.