Darren Aronofsky's: Noah

[redhawk23]

and note they aren't catered to with viewers discretions warnings haha. That kind of fan service is definitely deserving of eye rolling.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What I really don't understand is all the scoffing at Paramount for putting a disclaimer on the advertising regarding its faithfulness to the material, when the very same people go nuts when a comic book film deviates at all from its own source.

Yes, because of this happens we all expect a disclaimer. I still can't believe there was no disclaimer in front of The Dark Knight explaining his lack of permanent bleached skin.

 

[jmc]

You would think they would know that fantasy fans will make them bank if they sell it to us. We've been making them bank for years. Frankly there is nothing fantastical about this beyond typical bible stuff, and we got enough of that in sunday school. But if they show a Watcher or an angel tearing **** up fantasy fans will pour in. At this point the studio is going to cause their worst fear to come true and I guarantee it they will blame it on the film and Aronofsky.

It's almost a self fulfilling prophecy. By trying to cater to the religious audience and trying to apologise beforehand for making alterations to the source material, going so far as to put a disclaimer before its release, they are ignoring the rest of us who just want to see an awesome fantasy movie with a great cast and great director. By pleading to the religious folks for forgiveness ahead of time all they're going to do is end up turning everyone away.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's almost a self fulfilling prophecy. By trying to cater to the religious audience and trying to apologise beforehand for making alterations to the source material, going so far as to put a disclaimer before its release, they are ignoring the rest of us who just want to see an awesome fantasy movie with a great cast and great director. By pleading to the religious folks for forgiveness ahead of time all they're going to do is end up turning everyone away.

Exactly. They will now need excellent reviews to even think about getting close to not losing their shirt on this one.

 

[hammerhedd11]

and note they aren't catered to with viewers discretions warnings haha. That kind of fan service is definitely deserving of eye rolling.

Yes, because of this happens we all expect a disclaimer. I still can't believe there was no disclaimer in front of The Dark Knight explaining his lack of permanent bleached skin.

I'm glad that neither of you could actually respond to what I said.
I'm not saying that any movie deserves a disclaimer. I just find it hypocritical that people will scoff at others who find that faithfulness to source material that they actually believe in and live their life by is of the utmost importance, while turning around and whining incessantly about characters they know to be fake. Say what you will about your own beliefs, but are people really going to mock those who find it important for depictions of their faith to be accurate while at the same time spending their free time *****ing about how 'accurate' Superman's costume is?

 

[hammerhedd11]

It's almost a self fulfilling prophecy. By trying to cater to the religious audience and trying to apologise beforehand for making alterations to the source material, going so far as to put a disclaimer before its release, they are ignoring the rest of us who just want to see an awesome fantasy movie with a great cast and great director. By pleading to the religious folks for forgiveness ahead of time all they're going to do is end up turning everyone away.

They most likely want to cater to the gigantic potential of a religious audience over everyone else. Son of God was on TV a year ago and it still made over 20 mil its opening weekend, and I can tell you it appealed to absolutely no other audience than the religious.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Well I must be alone in that I can appreciate this movie just fine regardless of what anyone else thinks. If I let everyone else to my deciding for me I'd never get to enjoy anything.

 

[terry78]

Well I must be alone in that I can appreciate this movie just fine regardless of what anyone else thinks. If I let everyone else to my deciding for me I'd never get to enjoy anything.

You just violated rule number one of being a movie nerd. You are suspended for one week.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm glad that neither of you could actually respond to what I said.
I'm not saying that any movie deserves a disclaimer. I just find it hypocritical that people will scoff at others who find that faithfulness to source material that they actually believe in and live their life by is of the utmost importance, while turning around and whining incessantly about characters they know to be fake. Say what you will about your own beliefs, but are people really going to mock those who find it important for depictions of their faith to be accurate while at the same time spending their free time *****ing about how 'accurate' Superman's costume is?

You do realize most acknowledge that irrational? That most here eventually realize how irrational they are about castings, suits, etc. That is why the word fanboy exist.

Do you think that is going to happen here?

 

[hammerhedd11]

What I really want to ask to those who are disinterested now by the 'pandering' to the religious audience; when you saw that Paramount was making a movie based off of the BIBLE, who did you expect them to market it to exactly?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Considering it is a Darren Aronofsky project, a well respected director who has made some great films like Requiem and The Wrestler, I expected them to market to general audiences who like good films, big films, Russell Crowe and Emma Watson.

 

[terry78]

I think some of you did expect Aronofsky to kind of make this a scathing jab at religion or something. It may very well be, but the fact they're advertising it to these groups as well means he isn't going to be that scathing.

 

[hammerhedd11]

You do realize most acknowledge that irrational? That most here eventually realize how irrational they are about castings, suits, etc. That is why the word fanboy exist.

Do you think that is going to happen here?

Hmm. I have never been to these parts of the internet. They sound nice.

But either way; does acknowledging this discount the fact that there are just as many people whining about Superman's trunks as there are religious folk getting serious about faithfulness to their code of life and that one group scoffing at the other is a tad hypocritical?

 

[hammerhedd11]

Considering it is a Darren Aronofsky project, a well respected director who has made some great films like Requiem and The Wrestler, I expected them to market to general audiences who like good films, big films, Russell Crowe and Emma Watson.

It's Darren Aronofsky making a BIBLE movie. Why do people expect that for him to have signed onto this project he had some sort of disdain for the material? If anything, it sounds like he is quite faithful to the overall themes of the story.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think some of you did expect Aronofsky to kind of make this a scathing jab at religion or something. It may very well be, but the fact they're advertising it to these groups as well means he isn't going to be that scathing.

I wasn't expecting that at all. Especially considering there seems to be a connection between God and Noah. I have just been expecting three things. Emma Watson to look fantastic, a film with an interesting narrative, and a beautiful film.

 

[hammerhedd11]

That doesn't address the main point; regardless of this hypothetical audience that is just attracted to 'good films', did you really think that Paramount would not take advantage of appealing to a audience that comprises a majority of the world and which said material is comprised from?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hmm. I have never been to these parts of the internet. They sound nice.

But either way; does acknowledging this discount the fact that there are just as many people whining about Superman's trunks as there are religious folk getting serious about faithfulness to their code of life and that one group scoffing at the other is a tad hypocritical?

I guess you should meet most of our mods here.

I don't want to get into the hypocritical nature of religion itself, but lets say this. I don't think a large portion of those complaining about Superman's trunk go around judging how others live based upon whether someone else cares if a superhero film is source material accurate.

Also if someone as good as Aronofsky's wants to remove Superman's trunks or change the look of the Joker, I think he'd get the Nolan treatment. In other words, sir you are genius, do what you'd like.

 

[jmc]

What I really want to ask to those who are disinterested now by the 'pandering' to the religious audience; when you saw that Paramount was making a movie based off of the BIBLE, who did you expect them to market it to exactly?

Like any other blockbuster movie. The problem is a soon as you start pandering to a particular audience your movie is going to suffer because everyone else is going to assume it's not a movie for them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's Darren Aronofsky making a BIBLE movie. Why do people expect that for him to have signed onto this project he had some sort of disdain for the material? If anything, it sounds like he is quite faithful to the overall themes of the story.

Who said anything about disdain for the material? He didn't sign to do this project, this is his project. Thus I am hoping it is done the way he intended. And considering the graphic novel is coming, we will know.

 

[hammerhedd11]

I guess you should meet most of our mods here.

I don't want to get into the hypocritical nature of religion itself, but lets say this. I don't think a large portion of those complaining about Superman's trunk go around judging how others live based upon whether someone else cares if a superhero film is source material accurate.

Also if someone as good as Aronofsky's wants to remove Superman's trunks or change the look of the Joker, I think he'd get the Nolan treatment. In other words, sir you are genius, do what you'd like.

I'm not saying that either represents the entire whole, of course. But there are definitely scores of people who are reacting to this story in a condescending way, as if they are above those whom this is directed toward.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That doesn't address the main point; regardless of this hypothetical audience that is just attracted to 'good films', did you really think that Paramount would not take advantage of appealing to a audience that comprises a majority of the world and which said material is comprised from?

What Christians are going to see this film based on the marketing material? Based on the disclaimer?

 

[hammerhedd11]

Who said anything about disdain for the material? He didn't sign to do this project, this is his project. Thus I am hoping it is done the way he intended. And considering the graphic novel is coming, we will know.

I understand all of this. But what I was specifically responding to was the idea of 'pandering' to a religious audience, when the story in and of itself is completely and utterly religious. If you just want a fantasy movie that's fine, and you can view it that way, it does not negate the fact that this film and its source is entirely rooted in a religious story, and considering what Aronofsky has said and what has been said about the film itself, it has not betrayed that source material. So I find this use of the word 'pander' idiotic, as they were all supposed to close their eyes and ignore all and any religious connotation that this story is filled with.

 

[hammerhedd11]

What Christians are going to see this film based on the marketing material? Based on the disclaimer?

You don't think making a film about one of the most iconic stories in the Bible might be a tad appealing to Christians?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not saying that either represents the entire whole, of course. But there are definitely scores of people who are reacting to this story in a condescending way, as if they are above those whom this is directed toward.

Who is complaining about the story? I am confused, because I don't see it. I see people complaing about the marketing and how it has been so toothless, pandering and in general bad, that it has potentially lost both sides of the coin.

They are almost leaving the film in no man's land. They have even pissed off Aronofsky.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Trailer 2 with Emma Watson Intro
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Wow this was a really cool trailer. To bad people are too busy manufacturing outrage over this ridiculous disclaimer nonsense to appreciate it.