DC Universe - Batman: Bad Blood

[vantheman77]

Just saw Bad Blood as it's a step up from Batman Vs. Robin. I would like to see a Batman animated series starring Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, and Batwing alone.

 

[Omegabat]

It was ok, but not great. Large part of the film were boring IMO. I really liked Batwoman in this. She was one of the few things that they did well, she was bad-ass.

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I don't like how they used Talia and made her a remorseless villain. It's been a while since I seen Son of Batman, but I don't remember her being anywhere near as evil in that. She didn't even care or love Damien anymore in this. I don't like it when they make her a full-fledged villain, but if they are going to do it then I would like it if they did it well. It doesn't seem to work with her, in this or the comics (or perhaps that is because the stories are written poorly and has nothing to do with her being the villain). Deathstroke, Court of Owls and now Talia. That is three great characters/villains that have been underwhelming in these movies.

Also,

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I was half asleep when watching this so I did not understand Talia's death scene. Why did someone who was formerly working for her attack her? Or was it a planned suicide for both of them?

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I'm curious about why you think the Court was underwhelming,from what I saw they were a vast improvement over the actual story. Dont disagree on Deathstroke,Talia's villainous depiction here was much better than the Morrison version and Rises.

 

[Slade W]

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I'm curious about why you think the Court was underwhelming,from what I saw they were a vast improvement over the actual story. Dont disagree on Deathstroke,Talia's villainous depiction here was much better than the Morrison version and Rises.

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I didn't think the court came across as powerful, creepy or as omnipresent as they did in the comics. In regards to Talia, I think she is a good character and could be used much better if she is going to be the main villain. None of the stories where she is the main villain are very good IMO (apart from Rises but that is not down to her and how she was used).

 

[Omegabat]

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I didn't think the court came across as powerful, creepy or as omnipresent as they did in the comics. In regards to Talia, I think she is a good character and could be used much better if she is going to be the main villain. None of the stories where she is the main villain are very good IMO (apart from Rises but that is not down to her and how she was used).

Maybe not as creepy but I think this Court was far more sensible:
For one they didn't reveal themselves to the world so stupidly.
They didn't get poisoned off panel.
They didn't make their mooks immortal like they did in the comics.Why not just take immortal serum themselves?
They're still struggling to become part of Gothams history,the movie explanation was superior and easily incorporated them in to continuity.
The movie version had plausible motives,cant say the same for the comic versions. I still dont know why they exist or what they want.
Flooding the city with Talons was stupid on multiple different levels.

As for Talia I wont deny villainous versions of her are nothing like her classic counterpart but I think this one was by far the safest depiction of her yet.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

It was kinda alright, I guess. Nothing breathtaking.

 

[Grommers]

Enjoyable - Not revolutionary - one of the big things I've always liked about Batman are how fleshed out his villains are, and they seem to be slacking in that department with the new movies.

I do like how damian is progressing though

 

[Just_Bleed]

I have a feeling that Damian in Teen Titans is going kick ass.

 

[Lencho01]

Meh for me.

 

[The Joker]

Think I'll skip this one based on the lukewarm feedback. After Son of Batman I can't be bothered sitting through another mediocre one.

 

[Forever Evil]

I found it to be pretty boring. Even when [BLACKOUT]Batman was mind wiped and controlled by Talia, they couldn't even make me care for him fighting the Bat-Fam[/BLACKOUT].

Alfred kicking ass did make me smile a little though.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Just saw it, and I thought it was awesome.

Then again I've found all of these new movies really entertaining.

Sure there's some stupid writing and cringey moments, and it's usually a far cry from the source material, but on the whole, I think they just 'pop' a lot more than the Bruce Timm stuff did, which I always found sorta dull and underwhelming. And it's just cool to see newer source material in animated form imo, or any animated stuff in general, so it's hard to feel that down after watching.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

/double post

 

[The Batman]

I saw a couple of scenes of Batman vs Robin, and decided not to watch the rest. I was hoping this would be an improvement, but it sounds like it isn't.

How Batman DTV's went from UTRH and DKR to stuff like this is astonishing. Still mad at how they butchered the "Batman and Son" storyline.

 

[Primal Slayer]

WB sliced their budget and they don't seem to have anyone that good running things anymore. So not surprised, the designs alone have taken a huge dip in quality.

 

[Decepticonus]

Just saw it, and I thought it was awesome.

Then again I've found all of these new movies really entertaining.

Sure there's some stupid writing and cringey moments, and it's usually a far cry from the source material, but on the whole, I think they just 'pop' a lot more than the Bruce Timm stuff did, which I always found sorta dull and underwhelming. And it's just cool to see newer source material in animated form imo, or any animated stuff in general, so it's hard to feel that down after watching.

Wow, you're a first, good to know people like you exist. I like them OK, don't love them. I especially enjoyed the Batman ones, not so much the JL ones. The source material does not bother me too much - I enjoyed the notion of Deathstroke in the League of Assassins and kind of want to see it in the comics now. Or Robin joining with Talon over it was neat. Not sure what was ever dull and lifeless about Bruce Timm though. But I agree it is nice to see newer material, regardless of what people say there are a few good New 52 stories out there - (Court of Owls, Death of a Family, Batman & Robin Vol. 1, etc.). And yes always great to see animated stuff as well.

People are just too picky and too elitist. It follows New 52 so they hate that, it doesn't have Kevin Conroy so they hate that, Bruce Timm is not on board so they hate that too. It makes me wonder why they even bother to waste their time watching these then, especially when they didn't like the others. Plus, did it ever hit them that these are made with a new audience in mind? Do you think people who hate DKR or never read anything before the New 52 went "Oh my god DKR animated movie? I have to get that!" No, of course not.
I haven't yet watched Bad Blood but I look forward to, plus I am STOKED to see Batwoman.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Wow, you're a first, good to know people like you exist. I like them OK, don't love them.

I don't love them either, but I always come away entertained, not bored, and not angry.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It was fun... but Justice League: Gods & Monsters was always going to be a tough act to follow.

 

[Decepticonus]

It was fun... but Justice League: Gods & Monsters was always going to be a tough act to follow.

Why so? It was freaking awesome.

 

[Snow Queen]

Wow, you're a first, good to know people like you exist. I like them OK, don't love them. I especially enjoyed the Batman ones, not so much the JL ones. The source material does not bother me too much - I enjoyed the notion of Deathstroke in the League of Assassins and kind of want to see it in the comics now. Or Robin joining with Talon over it was neat. Not sure what was ever dull and lifeless about Bruce Timm though. But I agree it is nice to see newer material, regardless of what people say there are a few good New 52 stories out there - (Court of Owls, Death of a Family, Batman & Robin Vol. 1, etc.). And yes always great to see animated stuff as well.

People are just too picky and too elitist. It follows New 52 so they hate that, it doesn't have Kevin Conroy so they hate that, Bruce Timm is not on board so they hate that too. It makes me wonder why they even bother to waste their time watching these then, especially when they didn't like the others. Plus, did it ever hit them that these are made with a new audience in mind? Do you think people who hate DKR or never read anything before the New 52 went "Oh my god DKR animated movie? I have to get that!" No, of course not.
I haven't yet watched Bad Blood but I look forward to, plus I am STOKED to see Batwoman.

Or...you know, they think it's a bad movie. This film was a writing disaster with a stupid villain plot and some of the laziest exposition I've seen in a while. This movie doesn't even follow the New 52 so drop that idea. It being for a "new audience" doesn't mean it can't be good. I wasted my time watching it because my favourite comic character finally got to show up in one of these, but I'm not going to give this a pass for it's laundry list of problems because a character I love is in it.

 

[Omegabat]

Or...you know, they think it's a bad movie. This film was a writing disaster with a stupid villain plot and some of the laziest exposition I've seen in a while. This movie doesn't even follow the New 52 so drop that idea. It being for a "new audience" doesn't mean it can't be good. I wasted my time watching it because my favourite comic character finally got to show up in one of these, but I'm not going to give this a pass for it's laundry list of problems because a character I love is in it.

That's not true at all,the villain plot was better than what we got in Arkham City and Arkham Knight and even Arkham Asylum for example. It utilized the skills of a diverse cast of villains rather ingeniously.
It was undoubtedly rushed,many elements that deserved more attention were glossed over and the characters' are not developed as well as they should be.But I attribute that to run time,their inability to make anything other than Batman & JL flicks and the ambitious nature of the plot But they promised us a suspenseful thriller and succeeded. If bashing these movies for not stacking up to Under the Hood is fair then I guess Sub Zero and Mystery of the Batwoman were crap for not being on par with Phantasm.
I've hated Son of Batman and Throne of Atlantis but people need to stop using them to criticize Bad Blood and Batman vs Robin.
We'll get our revolutionary Batman film in Killing Joke, all the best ones have Joker in them.
It's a 7/10 flick at the least and that's good enough for me personally,Dark Knight Returns are not produced every other day even in the comics.

 

[Decepticonus]

If bashing these movies for not stacking up to Under the Hood is fair then I guess Sub Zero and Mystery of the Batwoman were crap for not being on par with Phantasm.

I've hated Son of Batman and Throne of Atlantis but people need to stop using them to criticize Bad Blood and Batman vs Robin.

We'll get our revolutionary Batman film in Killing Joke, all the best ones have Joker in them.

1.) Those movies did... suck, sorry. Sub-Zero was OK but quite underwhelming.
2.) They will never stop
3.) WRONG! People with their proto-feminism b/s will cry from atop ******** mountain to make their voices heard to every galaxy.

 

[BH/HHH]

Sub Zero crap? Never heard anyone say that before.

I liked TOA but didn't like BvR or SOB because I thought they were bad movies. Omega at you like them which is fair enough but people have a right to dislike them.

 

[Omegabat]

1.) Those movies did... suck, sorry. Sub-Zero was OK but quite underwhelming.
2.) They will never stop
3.) WRONG! People with their proto-feminism b/s will cry from atop ******** mountain to make their voices heard to every galaxy.

I dont like them either but what I'm trying to say is that even the great Timmverse had duds(comparative) and the one thing that is common between all the great films is Joker.
While I'm not suggesting Joker automatically makes something better but its clear that the films are more simplistic and light when Joker is in them. When I say light I mean there are not too many characters,elements and plot threads. There's Batman,Joker and a third wheel and that's it. When not dealing with Joker the writers are more willing to take chances with additional characters and plot threads and do something more action driven than character driven.

 

[Decepticonus]

Or...you know, they think it's a bad movie. This film was a writing disaster with a stupid villain plot and some of the laziest exposition I've seen in a while. This movie doesn't even follow the New 52 so drop that idea. It being for a "new audience" doesn't mean it can't be good. I wasted my time watching it because my favourite comic character finally got to show up in one of these, but I'm not going to give this a pass for it's laundry list of problems because a character I love is in it.

But it's more in line with the stories and comics published under the New 52 nonetheless, that is where some of the inspiration is coming from. The Heretic of Batman Inc. was under New 52, at least with the last two volumes and don't forget Batgirl at the end, sorry.

As far as the new audience keep in mind new people are coming to these with perhaps little to no exposure to earlier works and may think it's good, all of us with our 20+ years knowledge can't tell them what is good and what isn't. I could show these to my nephew and he may love them. He wasn't just a baby when UTRH came out.

But yeah, why waste your time? Everything I saw with the X-Men films I greatly disliked so I gave up on them, I have no interest in their film at all. Why waste my time with their future work when EVERYTHING in the past did not click with me? Maybe the people here can tell me since they hate these new DCUA films so much but keep wasting their time with each new one.

 

[Snow Queen]

But it's more in line with the stories and comics published under the New 52 nonetheless, that is where some of the inspiration is coming from. The Heretic of Batman Inc. was under New 52, at least with the last two volumes and don't forget Batgirl at the end, sorry.

As far as the new audience keep in mind new people are coming to these with perhaps little to no exposure to earlier works and may think it's good, all of us with our 20+ years knowledge can't tell them what is good and what isn't. I could show these to my nephew and he may love them. He wasn't just a baby when UTRH came out.

But yeah, why waste your time? Everything I saw with the X-Men films I greatly disliked so I gave up on them, I have no interest in their film at all. Why waste my time with their future work when EVERYTHING in the past did not click with me? Maybe the people here can tell me since they hate these new DCUA films so much but keep wasting their time with each new one.

What about Batgirl? I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at.

I already told you why. My favourite comic character was making her debut in these so I wanted to see how it was handled. It's 75 minutes, it's not like it's a massive commitment.