Does Size Really Matter?

[Danalys]

not all status symbols are about getting ladies. in correct assumption again. a linux kernal is a virtual machine to some extent. so there is alot to it, but much of it can be automated. software designed with portability in mind helps as well. software has been moving towards that. it is the current trend in programming. because it costs them less in the long run. see while you're watching what the current way is. i'm recognising the future trends. they start in the universities a few decades before they become popular. it's all about populising these things at the right time; when the masses are ready for them. that's how you control both the living room and home office.

sun micro systems and google don't matter. there's already a browser for google to do what it's already doing. sun will continue with the server market as normal. sony doesn't effect them so they don't mind.

 

[Axid]

Every one i know has a 200 pound cell phone.

I feel sorry for anyone who has to haul that around all day.

 

[Manny Calavera]

A linux kernel is a virtual machine? I can't say "wow" enough. I give up, live in your delusions

 

[Danalys]

would you not call something that takes standard language and then fits them to a certain hardware a virtual machine. it's a portable OS anyway. then anything can work at an abstract layer above that. perhaps i'm not using the correct terms but i do have an understanding of the overall philosophy.

it's like how basic was used. you could program in basic on anything. it's just run at different speeds because of the hardware differences.

or you can think of the kernal as a protective layer to restrict access to full functionality that could be damaging in the wrong hands.

 

[Axid]

I wish to learn the ancient arts based on the philosophy circled around the great Linux Maggiti

 

[Danalys]

edit double post: my internet is a bit messed up right now.

 

[Danalys]

it flows from the mathematic *ping*

but seriously you have heard the term programming philosophy before right. Object orientated design would be one for example.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Personally i think that Sony should stop making consoles for a whole and deal with what they have.I think the PS2 can be around for 10 years easily,back in the 1990`s there was consoles and just games.No news about new consoles,just new games.Is this new trend of a new console every 3-5 years going to be how games work now?

 

[Danalys]

they've normally had over lapping 10 year life cycles. once the new model is released the old one is shrunk. once the new one is shrunk the old one goes out of production. perhaps with some of those stages reversed. after all the slimline PS2 came out before the PS3. more kids games are released towards the end of the cycle it seems. nothings stopping anyone from playing PS2 but the innovators are moving on. they've taught other teams a few things and left.

 

[hippy fascist]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

that's because you don't understand the benefits of style.

Clearly you don't understand the benefits of a high school education...













random bump, but it was just too tempting...

 

[Mentok]

 

[Danalys]

actually nice bump because looking at the views in this thread with hind sight is brilliant for me.

 

[hippy fascist]

because everything you predicted was wrong?

sony style

 

[Danalys]

well here i am with all the linux programs manny said would never be on the PS3 on my PS3. guess his inside information was bollocks like i said it was. i guess the rumours about external power supply for the PS3, turned out to be unreliable like i said it would be. and i guess sony's product is more desirable that the 360 in europe, where there's no reasons of nationality to prefer it.

 

[hippy fascist]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

well here i am with all the linux programs manny said would never be on the PS3 on my PS3. guess his inside information was bollocks like i said it was. i guess the rumours about external power supply for the PS3, turned out to be unreliable like i said it would be. and i guess sony's product is more desirable that the 360 in europe, where there's no reasons of nationality to prefer it.

It's more desirable in europe after a SERIOUS price cut

You're central argument had nothing to do with europe though.

You were saying that style is important to people and that they'd pay over the odds for something as "stylish" as the ps3.

The ps3 is pretty widely considered to be a fugly george forman grill lookalike.

It took TWO major price cuts to get it moving off shelves

You said the technology would push the system but blu-ray's pathetic attach rate would beg to differ.

You talked of the Japanese market and yet how many ps3 have been sold so far in japan...?

 

[Danalys]

what important is that it still sold at $600. oh and find where i mentioned japan it's slipped my mind or doesn't exist.

 

[hippy fascist]

well the original x-box didn't have a standing on it's side option which would have illiminated the space conserns. the new one has a massive external power supply which the japanese wont like one bit. add that to the game taste situation and they really don't have much chance. microsoft don't get the japanese market one bit.

Concerning it "selling" at $600

You consider selling less than the GBA for 8 straight months a good thing

Your argument was that style would compensate for price. But it didn't. A few hardcore tech nerds bought them (i.e. people who know nothing about style).

SCE have had to drop the price twice in 6 months and produce FOUR s.k.u.s just to stay afloat. Why?

Because people considered price and software to be the main issues in buying a console, not specs and style. Try again

 

[Mentok]

rumours about the PS3 aren't really trust worthy. sony has got sony style. the brand name didn't just spring out of no where. they really did have style and then named stuff after that fact. they've still got style and it costs more.

Did you really say this?

I mean... Come on. Really?

 

[Danalys]

so as you can see things i said about japanese taste were in regard to the 360 and it's problems.

good for $600. i never said style would compesate for price just that it was more stylish and thus would sell more in japan overall. now it's more stylish in my opinion and at a decent price and is doing fine. also cost reduction was greater than price drops so there was no reason for them not to drop the price.

the PS3 still costs more than the 360. part of the reason could be that they can charge more because it's more desirable in features and styling.

 

[hippy fascist]

check the second page of the thread, about halfway down

 

[hippy fascist]

so as you can see things i said about japanese taste were in regard to the 360 and it's problems.

good for $600. i never said style would compesate for price just that it was more stylish and thus would sell more in japan overall. now it's more stylish in my opinion and at a decent price and is doing fine. also cost reduction was greater than price drops so there was no reason for them not to drop the price.

They've only just started breaking even on the ps3

4 months after the price drops

They also had to sell off a major division of the group just to fund said price-drops

Seriously, normally I'd pursue this but **** man, when you make yourself look this stupid what's the point in me even being here

 

[Danalys]

actually you're wrong they aren't breaking even on ps3 yet. the gaming division however is now profitable. you probably got the two confused. part of most consoles life cycle is selling at a loss at first. they just happened to have greater loses back when it was $600 than they do now which is what i was saying.

 

[hippy fascist]

now

to repeat myself

(which I REALLY hate doing)

4 MONTHS AFTER THE PRICE CUTS YOU SAID WERE ENABLED BY COST CUTTING

In other words they've only managed to cut costs because they took a massive hit on profits in order to basically give the console away in order to get it into people's homes, thus enabling them to increase production and therefore cut costs

doesn't sound very desirable to me...

and they had to sell off the entire cell division just to make the gaming division look profitable. Try again.

 

[Mentok]

sony's stratergy is to apeal to both techies and average people. the average will pay over the odds in the main giving the techies something on the cheap that would normally cost more. in return the techies create programs that anyone can use if they wish. everyones happy. in spreading linux with a decent frontend they will reeducate millions to a new standard. suddenly microsofts programs aren't the defacto standard that they were. there is true competion is computing and customers win in that case. computers aren't accelerating ahead just to play the next game anymore, so people only have to upgade for actual computer usage. every one wins.

Uhhhhhh....... Wow. Yeah.

 

[Danalys]

it's still spreading. altho at the time i was under the impression that linux would come preinstalled. though that's looking like it might happen still. the news about YDL 6 isn't very clear at this moment. but still i said that would be part of a process that would be going on into the next generation of consoles. so you can't really dismiss a prediction that hasn't come to it's due date.