World Does "The Dark Knight" remind anyone else of Maximum Carnage?

[webhead731]

I was reading this again recently, and I have to say they are extremely similar.
Carnage wants chaos in New York, he's crazy, violent, heartless and goes at all costs to break the city apart, and brings out the bad in everyone, including the heroes.
Shriek's ability to bring out the dark violent side to people was mainly the cause of that, where the city was ripping itself apart. But Spider-Man had to decide if he should break his "code" to stop the madness or if he should find another way.

Then there was the speech given to Peter by his "father" about "devils" inside everyone, and how they can't be "reasoned or rhymed with" and "will do anything to tear someone down just because its fun" etc. Alot like Alfred's speech in The Dark Knight.

I told a friend about this, who loves the Spider-Man films (and is now a fan, but isn't into comic books), but he also loved The Dark Knight. He agrees with it and was kind of surprised.

Kinda crazy how it is, right?

 

[Jick]

Hum, it never crossed my mind, actually.
I didn't remember this little details.

 

[Punisher RULES]

Hm. A little bit now that you mention it. Although people will never let it enter their minds, good ol' Carnage and The Joker are pretty similar.

 

[Hobgoblin]

There are some similarities but I dont think Maximum Carnage was as nuanced as The Dark Knight. It was more or less one 14 issue long street fight. Joker may have claimed to be an agent of chaos, but he had a plan in regards to Dent attacking Gordon and Batman. Carnage is genuinely chaotic and hates any sort of planning, as it involves logic.

I cant see Carnage pulling a Joker and have Spidey try and save a friends corrupted soul, like Bats tried to do with Dent.

 

[The Joker]

Joker and Carnage have very little in common. Carnage kills for fun. That's it. That's the extent of his psychosis. Joker is alot more complex than that. He has obsessions one of them being Batman, agendas, plans, scheming, style and panache.

The villain from Batman rogues gallery that Carnage is kindred spirits with is Zsasz. Both are sickos who just kill for fun. Nothing else.

 

[LightningFlash]

http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=27774

Bandergrove wrote:
Hi Erik "The New King" Larsen..

I have a question for you about Marvel's character Kletus Casady/Carnage.
I remember that the first appareance of this guy was in an issue of Amazing illustrated by you.

Did you defined his look? Or someone else did it?
If you are the inventor... did you inspired from Watchmen's Rorschach?


Yes--I designed Kletus Casady. He was inspired by the Joker. I basically drew the Joker and had him colored with regular skin and red hair.

Mark's version (and Carnage) came later.

^^^ Pretty much the only similarity. That and they love to kill. But Carnage is Joker's ***** pretty much.

 

[webhead731]

Er...yeah.

I wasn't talking about their look. I'm talking about the story line.

 

[LightningFlash]

Er...yeah.

I wasn't talking about their look. I'm talking about the story line.

Which is like comparing apples to oranges.

Many, many, many storylines copy other ones; but yet Maximum Carnage turned out to be a a not-so-go-lucky arc that the writers intended on. And that's why so many people hate Carnage, because the start of Carnage's "career" was just an excuse to use the symbiote in a new way.

And then The Dark Knight broke records, and set a new high of comic-book adaptations, the same that the '89 Batman did.

So, sure, let's compare a record(S)-breaking movie to a piss-poor comic arc

 

[webhead731]

You're just picking all this crap out of your ass and not paying attention to the toilet paper's instructions.

All I'm saying is, that they have similarities. Did I say anyone copied anyone? No. Whether Dark Knight was influenced partly from Maximum Carnage or not, they ARE similar. The whole Peter and his father thing was almost dead on.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were inspired from it, even just a bit.

And piss-poor comic arc my ass.

 

[Punisher RULES]

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^^^ Pretty much the only similarity. That and they love to kill. But Carnage is Joker's ***** pretty much.

Waitwha?

Sorry if this sounds stupid but since when did Erik Larsen create Carnage?

 

[The Black Goo]

You're just picking all this crap out of your ass and not paying attention to the toilet paper's instructions.

Oh man I fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

 

[Venom 1988]

And piss-poor comic arc my ass.

Well it is.
Its one of the worst spidey stories ever. It was a great video game tho, but thats it.

Waitwha?

Sorry if this sounds stupid but since when did Erik Larsen create Carnage?

He didn't...but he was the first to draw Cletus....

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman_amazing/344.html

As Amazing Spider-Man #344(February 1991) opens, we are introduced to a brand new violent vigilante character in Cardiac. Remember, it wasn't long ago (issue #331), that we had just concluded a story featuring Marvel's signature violent vigilante character, the Punisher. Cardiac is a physician and medical researcher (and a very rich one at that - dude owns his own hospital) during the day, and at night in his disguise is busting up an operation that ships processing chemicals to drug lords. That's the "A" story - the "B" story takes us to Riker's Island, where Eddie Brock is working out furiously in his jail cell, honing his body and skills so that he can avenge the death of the symbiote. Except this time - he has a cellmate - Cletus Kasady - a serial killer who is serving eleven consecutive life terms (and of course, his room and board is all paid for by the gracious taxpayers of New York City. You gotta love humanitarian sentencing for serial killers when they all deserve a few minutes riding old Sparky). Cute isn't he? You know, with the long narrow chin, the crazed smile, the wild hair - he couldn't possibly be a knock off of some other supervillain could he? Well, not a knock off - an homage. Yeah that's what it is (although I read later that Erik Larsen, who first drew Cassady, admitted to patterning him after the Joker).

Next issue, as the Cardiac story continues, Brock's relentless channeling of Jack LaLane is driving his buddy Cletus even nuttier than he already is, but just before he can skewer Eddie with an ice pick - guess who shows up to claim his significant other? The symbiote, believed dead, slides in between the bars, rebonds with Brock and the two smash through the jail wall - leaving just a leeeetle gooey bit behind to seek the nearest available warm flesh, who just happens to be our red-haired Joker ripoff, I mean homage.

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpider.html

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

There actually does seem to be very slight similarities.

 

[Punisher RULES]

Well it is.
Its one of the worst spidey stories ever. It was a great video game tho, but thats it.

He didn't...but he was the first to draw Cletus....

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman_amazing/344.html

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpider.html

Oh, man. I completely forgot Larsen was the first to draw Cletus. Thanks man!

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Which is like comparing apples to oranges.

Many, many, many storylines copy other ones; but yet Maximum Carnage turned out to be a a not-so-go-lucky arc that the writers intended on. And that's why so many people hate Carnage, because the start of Carnage's "career" was just an excuse to use the symbiote in a new way.

And then The Dark Knight broke records, and set a new high of comic-book adaptations, the same that the '89 Batman did.

So, sure, let's compare a record(S)-breaking movie to a piss-poor comic arc

Yeah, im sure The Dark Knight's pee pee is MUCH bigger than Carnage's pee pee, dude. Relax. t:

 

[Chris Wallace]

Hum, it never crossed my mind, actually.
I didn't remember this little details.

Ditto. But it doesn't really surprise me.